R32 3838 Posted March 3, 2014 Share #2301 Posted March 3, 2014 (edited) They only fixed the HVAC units up and cleaned them out and replaced a few parts, the heat underground causes the HVAC units to overheat, both the R32's and R160's were overheating on the last summer Edited March 3, 2014 by R32 3838 0 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Eric B Posted March 3, 2014 Share #2302 Posted March 3, 2014 I forgot if I ever asked, but why are the exhaust vents of the 32's taped over with metallic tape? Wouldn't that cause overheating? 0 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
RollOver Posted March 3, 2014 Share #2303 Posted March 3, 2014 I think it was to prevent dust from getting on the vents on the 32s. 0 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
NewFlyer 230 Posted March 3, 2014 Share #2304 Posted March 3, 2014 How come the R160s on the don't overheat and that is an underground route. What about the R46's on the they don't have problems and that route is underground. 0 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
R32sdabest Posted March 3, 2014 Share #2305 Posted March 3, 2014 How come the R160s on the don't overheat and that is an underground route. What about the R46's on the they don't have problems and that route is underground. The ENY R160s weren't used to being fully underground. 0 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Fresh Pond Posted March 4, 2014 Share #2306 Posted March 4, 2014 How come the R160s on the don't overheat and that is an underground route. What about the R46's on the they don't have problems and that route is underground. Because those cars are regularly rotated with the and so they do get some time to breathe outside on occasion 0 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Art Vandelay Posted March 6, 2014 Share #2307 Posted March 6, 2014 The R160s on the C had no overheating issues. 1 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
R32 3838 Posted March 6, 2014 Share #2308 Posted March 6, 2014 They did, they were taken OOS numerous times for overheating and computer issues 0 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
AndrewJC Posted March 6, 2014 Share #2309 Posted March 6, 2014 They did, they were taken OOS numerous times for overheating and computer issues Actually, they weren't. 1 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Around the Horn Posted March 7, 2014 Share #2310 Posted March 7, 2014 Actually, they weren't. There are several earlier posts by either Lance or Snowblock to the contrary. 1 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
AndrewJC Posted March 9, 2014 Share #2311 Posted March 9, 2014 There are several earlier posts by either Lance or Snowblock to the contrary. The only posts I'm aware of asserting any sort of R160 overheating issue were written by none other than R32 3838 himself. 1 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Around the Horn Posted March 10, 2014 Share #2312 Posted March 10, 2014 The only posts I'm aware of asserting any sort of R160 overheating issue were written by none other than R32 3838 himself. Pardon me it was Grand Concourse Posted 06 July 2013 - 09:04 AM The R160s are also having the same overheating issues as the R32s. So it isn't just an R32 issue, the issue is the C being totally underground and not swapping with the A (a mistake in the future having the C be all R179s as 8 car sets, imo). 0 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Art Vandelay Posted March 11, 2014 Share #2313 Posted March 11, 2014 (edited) To be blunt, at about the time it was determined by railfans on this board that the R160s on the C were failing due to overheating, it was determined by car equipment that they were performing well enough to merit doubling the amount of R160s on the C. The overheating timeframe is completely misunderstood by some people. If R160s could not run on the C, they could not run on the E or R either. (for that matter, part of the reason that the R32s were sent to the J because they overheated on the A!) Edited March 11, 2014 by Art Vandelay 9 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
NewFlyer 230 Posted March 12, 2014 Share #2314 Posted March 12, 2014 To be blunt, at about the time it was determined by railfans on this board that the R160s on the C were failing due to overheating, it was determined by car equipment that they were performing well enough to merit doubling the amount of R160s on the C. The overheating timeframe is completely misunderstood by some people. If R160s could not run on the C, they could not run on the E or R either. (for that matter, part of the reason that the R32s were sent to the J because they overheated on the A!) I thought the R32's were sent on the because they are 8 cars like the and 85% of the route is above ground. 0 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Art Vandelay Posted March 12, 2014 Share #2315 Posted March 12, 2014 Your statement does not conflict with mine. 0 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
R32 3838 Posted March 12, 2014 Share #2316 Posted March 12, 2014 I'm going to put this out there, a ta worker explained to me that some R160's had some issues, they got worked out and continued to run, one of the main reasons why they did do the (A)/© swap was because the HVAC units were failing on the as well, to add on to that riders from the Rockaways also complained about the older equipment being on the that summer, these are the two main reasons why the R32's went to the (J)/(Z) instead If they ever do this swap again, they're better off sending all 144 cars to ENY, last year those R32's were still overheating on the To be blunt, at about the time it was determined by railfans on this board that the R160s on the C were failing due to overheating, it was determined by car equipment that they were performing well enough to merit doubling the amount of R160s on the C. The overheating timeframe is completely misunderstood by some people. If R160s could not run on the C, they could not run on the E or R either. (for that matter, part of the reason that the R32s were sent to the J because they overheated on the A!) Those R160's get swapped around between the , and lines 0 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
RollOver Posted March 12, 2014 Share #2317 Posted March 12, 2014 (edited) to add on to that riders from the Rockaways also complained about the older equipment being on the that summer That has nothing to do with why the R32s were sent to the instead of the last summer. Edited March 12, 2014 by RollOverMyHead 0 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
NewFlyer 230 Posted March 13, 2014 Share #2318 Posted March 13, 2014 (edited) Kind of sucks that the last time the and got any new equipment was back in the 1970's when the R44s and R46s arrived. I wonder as many times as the MTA fixed up the R32's in its later years would all that money add up to the point where they could have replaced them already? I hear a lot of people as well as my friend use this logic when it comes to electronics and cars. The more money you spend fixing somethimg you could have already brought yourself a new one already. So could that logic also work in terms of ordering and replacing trains and buses? Edited March 13, 2014 by NewFlyer 230 0 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
cl94 Posted March 13, 2014 Share #2319 Posted March 13, 2014 Kind of sucks that the last time the and got any new equipment was back in the 1970's when the R44s and R46s arrived. I wonder as many times as the MTA fixed up the R32's in its later years would all that money add up to the point where they could have replaced them already? I hear a lot of people as well as my friend use this logic when it comes to electronics and cars. The more money you spend fixing somethimg you could have already brought yourself a new one already. So could that logic also work in terms of ordering and replacing trains and buses? Rolling stock purchases are one-and-done while SMS and overhauls are ongoing. In the long run, you might spend more doing the latter, but the (unfortunately) only gets a certain amount of funding at a time. It's like the difference between buying and renting a house. After a while, you'll have spent more by renting, but there isn't the large up-front cost. 4 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
R32 3838 Posted March 13, 2014 Share #2320 Posted March 13, 2014 That has nothing to do with why the R32s were sent to the instead of the last summer. I said one of the two reasons, we all know the main reason why they sent the R32's to the , the HVAC's still overheat if they were on the , that 2nd reason was probably the tipping of the iceberg They're not putting R32's on the no more 0 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
R32 3838 Posted March 13, 2014 Share #2321 Posted March 13, 2014 I said one of the two reasons, we all know the main reason why they sent the R32's to the , the HVAC's still overheat if they were on the , that 2nd reason was probably the tipping of the iceberg They're not putting R32's on the no more Unless in an emergency 0 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
NewFlyer 230 Posted March 13, 2014 Share #2322 Posted March 13, 2014 (edited) Unless in an emergency I wonder why the R46s that the uses doesn't overheat the is completely underground and the only sees about 2 or three sets normally. Well this was the case before the line splitting. I remember sometimes the ran no R46s at all. Edited March 13, 2014 by NewFlyer 230 0 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Around the Horn Posted March 13, 2014 Share #2323 Posted March 13, 2014 I said one of the two reasons, we all know the main reason why they sent the R32's to the , the HVAC's still overheat if they were on the , that 2nd reason was probably the tipping of the iceberg They're not putting R32's on the no more They did less than a month ago... 0 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
RollOver Posted March 13, 2014 Share #2324 Posted March 13, 2014 (edited) I wonder why the R46s that the uses doesn't overheat the is completely underground and the only sees about 2 or three sets normally. Well this was the case before the line splitting. I remember sometimes the ran no R46s at all. You're comparing a 30+ year old train to a 50+year old train. Apples to oranges. The R46s are 36-39 years old and the R32s are 49-50 years old. Edited March 13, 2014 by RollOverMyHead 1 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
cl94 Posted March 13, 2014 Share #2325 Posted March 13, 2014 I wonder why the R46s that the uses doesn't overheat the is completely underground and the only sees about 2 or three sets normally. Well this was the case before the line splitting. I remember sometimes the ran no R46s at all. You're comparing a 30+ year old train to a 50+year old train. Apples to oranges. The R46s are 36-39 years old and the R32s are 49-50 years old. That and the is busier than the , so it needs the extra doors and standing room. Hopefully, nothing else will ever run as long as the R32s. 2 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
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