Fresh Pond Posted March 13, 2014 Share #2326 Posted March 13, 2014 I wonder why the R46s that the uses doesn't overheat the is completely underground and the only sees about 2 or three sets normally. Well this was the case before the line splitting. I remember sometimes the ran no R46s at all. They don't always stay on the ...they get rotated with the (along with the 160s) so they all see some kind of air here and there 0 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
R32 3838 Posted March 14, 2014 Share #2327 Posted March 14, 2014 They did less than a month ago... I said unless in emergency, did you read my edited quote?, they ran it for one day because one R46 that was supposed to go uptown got stuck in Brooklyn When the R46's got SMS in 2008-10 they put new HVAC units in them, the R32's still have HVAC units from 1988-90 in them 0 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Union Tpke Posted March 14, 2014 Share #2328 Posted March 14, 2014 I said one of the two reasons, we all know the main reason why they sent the R32's to the , the HVAC's still overheat if they were on the , that 2nd reason was probably the tipping of the iceberg They're not putting R32's on the no more If so that would be quite unfortunate as I would love to go on an R32 into the rockaways. (Possible fan trip with R32/R38/R40S/R40M/R42) 0 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Around the Horn Posted March 14, 2014 Share #2329 Posted March 14, 2014 Edited quote hmmm.... I said one of the two reasons, we all know the main reason why they sent the R32's to the , the HVAC's still overheat if they were on the , that 2nd reason was probably the tipping of the icebergThey're not putting R32's on the no more 1 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
NewFlyer 230 Posted March 14, 2014 Share #2330 Posted March 14, 2014 To many people to quote so I will just say what I have to say. I know the R32s are 50 years old and I know the R46's are near 40 but the fact is they are still old As far as the and before the Montague tunnel closing I don't remember seeing many R46's on the anymore. All during the summer I took and before the new year I saw the with like 1 or 2 sets sometimes not at all. The and are basically equivalent as far as how they run. They are both run completely underground, they are locals and their head ways are similar. There was no way in the world those R46s swapped with the when they were barely running on the at the time. 0 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
R32 3838 Posted March 15, 2014 Share #2331 Posted March 15, 2014 (edited) Edited quote hmmm.... when I wrote Unless in an emergency under my post, they'll run it if they need a train, but they're not going on the unless its a real emergency, that time it ran it only ran until 4 pm, management doesn't want em on the , i thought they were going to put one train on the since a set of R46's went to get SMS, but they loaned an R46 set from jamaica instead, eventhough theres enough R32's to run a set on the without hurting the when it comes to spares. its obvious the will be using R32's every summer until most of the R32's are retired If so that would be quite unfortunate as I would love to go on an R32 into the rockaways. (Possible fan trip with R32/R38/R40S/R40M/R42) fan trips have nothing to do with actual service, the and swap failed and it required more cars from 2 yards to full the void of the line plus the R32's still had HVAC issues on the , thats why the (J)/(Z) was the next option, if all 144 cars go to ENY this summer, they'll have no choice but to run R32's on the dispite the signage and they'll use the 4x4 instead of the 3x5 like on the and , because you already have R42's on the and plus the and will be 100% SMEE with leftover R32's on the unless they have it a few R160's on the and a few more R32's on the IMO they are gonna send all of them this summer, the R32's were terrible on the when it came to its HVAC units, the and very few issues Edited March 15, 2014 by R32 3838 0 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
R32 3838 Posted March 15, 2014 Share #2332 Posted March 15, 2014 To many people to quote so I will just say what I have to say. I know the R32s are 50 years old and I know the R46's are near 40 but the fact is they are still old As far as the and before the Montague tunnel closing I don't remember seeing many R46's on the anymore. All during the summer I took and before the new year I saw the with like 1 or 2 sets sometimes not at all. The and are basically equivalent as far as how they run. They are both run completely underground, they are locals and their head ways are similar. There was no way in the world those R46s swapped with the when they were barely running on the at the time. R46's got an SMS in 2008-10, they got new HVAC units along with the R62/R68's when they got their SMS 0 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
R32 3838 Posted March 15, 2014 Share #2333 Posted March 15, 2014 AM rush hour the / uses 14 trains of R160's thats 112 cars plus the 40 R42's and 8 R32 cars on the if the TA decided to have the 100% r160's instead of 70% like last year the is going to need over 152-164 plus cars 144 for service and remaining for spares,eventough they'll be maintained at ENY like last year so if this were to happen the has to give up some cars as well, no way the is giving up its 32 R160's 0 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
VIP Posted March 15, 2014 Share #2334 Posted March 15, 2014 R32 on the ?? Thats NEVER gonna happen 0 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
pelhamfrank dyre av Posted March 15, 2014 Share #2335 Posted March 15, 2014 R32 on the ?? Thats NEVER gonna happen anything could happen pal 0 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
NewFlyer 230 Posted March 15, 2014 Share #2336 Posted March 15, 2014 R32 on the ?? Thats NEVER gonna happen It did happen before but that was before the line became only R160's 0 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
2 Train Master Posted March 16, 2014 Share #2337 Posted March 16, 2014 R32 on the ?? Thats NEVER gonna happen Heard this numerous times about the R-32s on the before the swap this past Summer. It's not impossible as stated above the signage is only minor. 0 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Lance Posted March 16, 2014 Share #2338 Posted March 16, 2014 However, if the idea is to keep the 32s outside in the fresh air, it really wouldn't make sense to run them on the primarily underground M. 3 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
R32 3838 Posted March 16, 2014 Share #2339 Posted March 16, 2014 (edited) However, if the idea is to keep the 32s outside in the fresh air, it really wouldn't make sense to run them on the primarily underground M. If they send all 144 cars to ENY then they'll have no choice, the (J)/(Z) uses 112 R160's if they did a swap, it has to be done evenly because of the since it uses 144 cars for service, they'll have no choice but to take R160's off the , that's if they send all of the R32's and R160's Edited March 16, 2014 by R32 3838 1 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Art Vandelay Posted March 16, 2014 Share #2340 Posted March 16, 2014 Only one fleet has trouble with overheating: The R32. If they were on the E/R they would not perform better than they do on the C as they would get outside even less regularly. Almost every C is stored outside overnight. Many E trains remain in service all night long and many of those which are layed up overnight end up stored underground til the next morning. Even if they ended up kept on the F, Carroll-179-Carroll is long enough for an R32 to overheat. 3 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
NewFlyer 230 Posted March 16, 2014 Share #2341 Posted March 16, 2014 Do the (M)'s R160A's switch with the and ? I thought the M had that one person operator program or something like that installed so it could not get other trains that don't have that feature. Like the R42s aren't enabled so they couldn't run on the anymore. 0 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Art Vandelay Posted March 16, 2014 Share #2342 Posted March 16, 2014 All R160s are capable of OPTO. The J and M share a fleet. Occasionally you may see CBTC R160s from the L on the J or M... 0 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
RollOver Posted March 16, 2014 Share #2343 Posted March 16, 2014 Any of East New York's R160s can run on the and , depending on the dispatcher etc. 0 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
NewFlyer 230 Posted March 16, 2014 Share #2344 Posted March 16, 2014 How come the R42's don't run on the anymore? Is it the same reason as the R32's the MTA wants them mostly outdoors? Yesterday I saw an 8 car set of R160s at Jamaica yard going into the yard building. So Jamaica maintains the M and I see M trains layed up in the yard over the weekend. 0 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
RollOver Posted March 16, 2014 Share #2345 Posted March 16, 2014 Because the R40s and R42s have to stop all the way at the 10 car marker. Same issue happen they used to ran on the . Hence why they sent the R32s back onto the aforementioned line. 0 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
R32 3838 Posted March 16, 2014 Share #2346 Posted March 16, 2014 Only one fleet has trouble with overheating: The R32. If they were on the E/R they would not perform better than they do on the C as they would get outside even less regularly. Almost every C is stored outside overnight. Many E trains remain in service all night long and many of those which are layed up overnight end up stored underground til the next morning. Even if they ended up kept on the F, Carroll-179-Carroll is long enough for an R32 to overheat. Not true, I've been on R46's and R62A's from the that have HVAC issues, a lot of the R62A's on the have had no A/C last year How come the R42's don't run on the anymore? Is it the same reason as the R32's the MTA wants them mostly outdoors? Yesterday I saw an 8 car set of R160s at Jamaica yard going into the yard building. So Jamaica maintains the M and I see M trains layed up in the yard over the weekend. C/R positioning is the reason why they aren't on the , the R32's have C/R controls in both no. 1/2 cabs, the R42's only have it in the no.2 cab 0 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Art Vandelay Posted March 16, 2014 Share #2347 Posted March 16, 2014 Plenty of cars have AC issues from time to time. Plenty of cars have issues with other parts from time to time. Single issues do not indicate long term problems. 1 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Union Tpke Posted March 16, 2014 Share #2348 Posted March 16, 2014 Edited quote hmmm.... when I wrote Unless in an emergency under my post, they'll run it if they need a train, but they're not going on the unless its a real emergency, that time it ran it only ran until 4 pm, management doesn't want em on the , i thought they were going to put one train on the since a set of R46's went to get SMS, but they loaned an R46 set from jamaica instead, eventhough theres enough R32's to run a set on the without hurting the when it comes to spares. its obvious the will be using R32's every summer until most of the R32's are retired If so that would be quite unfortunate as I would love to go on an R32 into the rockaways. (Possible fan trip with R32/R38/R40S/R40M/R42) fan trips have nothing to do with actual service, the and swap failed and it required more cars from 2 yards to full the void of the line plus the R32's still had HVAC issues on the , thats why the (J)/(Z) was the next option, if all 144 cars go to ENY this summer, they'll have no choice but to run R32's on the dispite the signage and they'll use the 4x4 instead of the 3x5 like on the and , because you already have R42's on the and plus the and will be 100% SMEE with leftover R32's on the unless they have it a few R160's on the and a few more R32's on the IMO they are gonna send all of them this summer, the R32's were terrible on the when it came to its HVAC units, the and very few issues I know I worded it in a wrong way I meant it would be unfortunate if it did not run on the A. Using Tapatalk 0 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
E For Erica Posted March 17, 2014 Share #2349 Posted March 17, 2014 When the R46's got SMS in 2008-10 they put new HVAC units in them, the R32's still have HVAC units from 1988-90 in them I miss the old R46 HVAC untis lol 2 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
AndrewJC Posted March 18, 2014 Share #2350 Posted March 18, 2014 Only one fleet has trouble with overheating: The R32. If they were on the E/R they would not perform better than they do on the C as they would get outside even less regularly. Almost every C is stored outside overnight. Many E trains remain in service all night long and many of those which are layed up overnight end up stored underground til the next morning. Even if they ended up kept on the F, Carroll-179-Carroll is long enough for an R32 to overheat. Nothing hypothetical about it - does nobody remember the air conditioning woes on the E circa 2008? 1 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
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