news More Service Coming to the L and M Lines

[Via Garibaldi 8]

MTA New York City Transit plans to increase service this fall to the   lines that serve thousands of customers in growing neighborhoods throughout Brooklyn, Queens and Manhattan. NYC Transit is adding service to these lines based on analysis of schedules and increased ridership demand.

“Among the changes is a significant increase in  weekend service, which will decrease wait times for customers as well as increase capacity on a line that continues to see ridership growth, most notably during off peak hours,” said NYC Transit President, Carmen Bianco.  “Ridership is at an all-time high, including records for weekend ridership.  These are customers who rely on us for all of their transportation needs, both work and play, and we are trying to meet that demand with our available resources.”

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[Priincenene]

Oh, why did they cancel the !

[West End]

Good to hear.   ridership in Brooklyn has grown tremendously, and the near 10-minute headways in the morning hours cause a decent number of residents to hop on the instead.  The also needs all the help it can get.

 

(I guess it's official that the 's extending to Essex Street in June.)

[Union Tpke]

Good to hear.   ridership in Brooklyn has grown tremendously, and the near 10-minute headways in the morning hours cause a decent number of residents to hop on the instead.  The also needs all the help it can get.

 

(I guess it's official that the 's extending to Essex Street in June.)

It has been official for some time now and the is a really good route, much better than the train, which was only useful of people wanting 6th Avenue service for 53 st, for seats (it was #1 in seating available for the straphangers campaign every year) and on 6th Avenue for people traveling between 47/50 and 2 Av, thats it. It was always empty. The current is usually crowded and is really useful for those in Brooklyn, such as Bushwick, Williamsburg. 

 

Oh, why did they cancel the !

[realizm]

Oh, why did they cancel the !

One major reason that they cancelled the V is because of poor ridership. Thats why it was axed during the 2010 budget cuts.

 

A technical issue is an additional reason. Having to do with headways, train dispatching and congestion at the Second Ave Station. In a study the MTA conducted in recent years they looked into this. The problem was that the V will have to utilize the switches just prior to 2nd Ave which in turn delayed the F during rush hours. Pre-2010 budget cuts the MTA when the Culver Viaduct was still being planned (circa 2009) they considered running the V to Brooklyn via the Rutgers Street tubes for this reason, in the process musing upon making an F express in Brooklyn.

 

The purpose behind that is to provide continuity and maintain proper headways on the F without delays where the V terminates at 2nd Ave holding up F train crews on red signals as they trail the terminating or departing V, Manhattan or Queens bound alike. So thats why the V to Brooklyn as a solution (at that time) was actually considered.

 

Then the M/V combo was devised as a result of the budget cuts. As a result the V was permanatly discontinued and the F express option dropped. The rest is history.

[realizm]

This is the actual study on the above options once considered as described: http://www.mta.info/sites/default/files/archive/pdfs/flinereport.pdf

 

"While express service on the F line in Brooklyn may have potential benefits for riders, it will not be possible until after the completion of the Culver Viaduct Rehabilitation project in 2013 (discussed later in this report), because this vital project requires temporarily removing from service two of the four tracks on the structure. NYCT will examine the demand for F express service, including the option of extending the V to Brooklyn as a local, for possible implementation after the completion of the viaduct rehabilitation."

 

Thers another study I cannot find at the moment because the link is now dead but it explains the reasons that was even considered as in the aformentioned post.

[GreatOne2k]

The could return with a north terminal of 96 St or 125 St with the on the upper 2 Av line to run on the Culver line.

[RollOver]

The could return with a north terminal of 96 St or 125 St with the on the upper 2 Av line to run on the Culver line.

 

No you can't. Given the current rush hour frequencies on the and combined on 6th Avenue (24 tph) as well as the on Broadway (again 24 tph), you'd seriously be causing more congestion than any time it would save. It is physically impossible for any of this city's subway corridor to handle more than at least 30 tph. The current set-up on the in Brooklyn is fine as is, because of ridership reasons. Leave it alone.

[bobtehpanda]

The could return with a north terminal of 96 St or 125 St with the on the upper 2 Av line to run on the Culver line.

 

The Lex 63rd switches are not meant to be used in regular service, so this would be very slow on top of what RollOver said.

 

Oh, why did they cancel the !

 

The was useless and carried air. Thank god for the (and I say this as a regular Queens Blvd rider)

[Missabassie]

The could return with a north terminal of 96 St or 125 St with the on the upper 2 Av line to run on the Culver line.

Bloody impossible...

[IRT Bronx Express]

The current set-up on the in Brooklyn is fine as is, because of ridership reasons. Leave it alone.

Which is why the will never have Jerome Express at all.

[realizm]

Which is why the will never have Jerome Express at all.

 

Exactly. Ridership demand at local stations doesnt justify express service on either line. I agree.

[NYtransit]

What about increasing weekend service on the line like Etc. ?

[realizm]

One thing is for sure and I will never understand why the MTA refuses to even take this into consideration: We need more D weekend service! Bronx ridership to midtown is going out the roof. Crushloaded cars on weekends in the Bronx is clearly indicative enough to justify service increases on the 6th Ave/Concourse Line via West End, weekends, forget stats.

 

But there's another problem with the D even on the Brooklyn end:

 

Weekdays especially rush hours on the BMT 4th Ave Line is a killer because of the Dekalb interlocking. The D express delays the N Sea beach Express as they have to squeeze from the bridge (4 tracks) into two express tracks for the 4th Ave express run due to incompetent original Dual Contract early 20th century era design.

 

Even though the NYCTA tried to fix this in the 50's (Why they dismantled the S/B platform of the dead Myrtle Ave station for installation of new flying junctions) and later on the MTA's construction of the Christie St connection to 6th Ave to try and increase capacity while giving midtown Manhattan access options for BK riders. This congestion point to this day unresolved results in D train bunching and resultantly delays on the N which happens too often on rush hours to the dismay of cussing and annoyed Brooklyn commuters including myself. I mean every weekday without fail.

 

Catch 22.

 

I mean seriously I was a bit peeved at their focus on the M and L. Meanwhile South or East Brooklyn riders, Queens and Bronx riders again gets the royal shaft. Its not just the hipsters that need better service Pendragrast! Get with the program. Cmon they have CBTC and the 6th Ave M on weekends now what else do they want? A new friggin South 4th Street subway line? What about the rest of the commuters in NYC?

[Via Garibaldi 8]

One thing is for sure and I will never understand why the MTA refuses to even take this into consideration: We need more D weekend service! Bronx ridership to midtown is going out the roof. Crushloaded cars on weekends in the Bronx is clearly indicative enough to justify service increases on the 6th Ave/Concourse Line via West End, weekends, forget stats.

 

But there's another problem with the D even on the Brooklyn end:

 

Weekdays especially rush hours on the BMT 4th Ave Line is a killer because of the Dekalb interlocking. The D express delays the N Sea beach Express as they have to squeeze from the bridge (4 tracks) into two express tracks for the 4th Ave express run due to incompetent original Dual Contract early 20th century era design.

 

Even though the NYCTA tried to fix this in the 50's (Why they dismantled the S/B platform of the dead Myrtle Ave station for installation of new flying junctions) and later on the MTA's construction of the Christie St connection to 6th Ave to try and increase capacity while giving midtown Manhattan access options for BK riders. This congestion point to this day unresolved results in D train bunching and resultantly delays on the N which happens too often on rush hours to the dismay of cussing and annoyed Brooklyn commuters including myself. I mean every weekday without fail.

 

Catch 22.

 

I mean seriously I was a bit peeved at their focus on the M and L. Meanwhile South or East Brooklyn riders, Queens and Bronx riders again gets the royal shaft. Its not just the hipsters that need better service Pendragrast! Get with the program. Cmon they have CBTC and the 6th Ave M on weekends now what else do they want? A new friggin South 4th Street subway line? What about the rest of the commuters in NYC?

lol... The and aren't growing (gentrifying) at the same pace as the is.  In fact the still serves pretty run down parts of the Bronx, and so if anything, you may have population losses in some parts, while the population continues to explode near the and .  The Bronx just isn't trendy compared to Brooklyn, so unless ridership on the suddenly explodes, I wouldn't bank on too much service improvements, though ridership from the Chinatown areas of Brooklyn and Manhattan may force their hand.

[realizm]

lol...

 

Ummm okay.... let me just go to the next point then ..

 

 

One thing is for sure and I will never understand why the MTA refuses to even take this into consideration: We need more D weekend service! Bronx ridership to midtown is going out the roof. Crushloaded cars on weekends in the Bronx is clearly indicative enough to justify service increases on the 6th Ave/Concourse Line via West End, weekends, forget stats.

The and aren't growing (gentrifying) at the same pace as the is.

 

 

1) Read posts more carefully next time. I just said the same exact thing as you see here. You apparently mised that so just letting you know. Thanks in advance. You're welcome.

 

2) I think you got the terms grow and gentrify a bit mixed up.

 

Here let me help you... this is the right term usage of gentrification...

 

Source: http://www.merriam-webster.com/dictionary/gentrification

 

"Definition of GENTRIFICATION: the process of renewal and rebuilding accompanying the influx of middle-class or affluent people into deteriorating areas that often displaces poorer residents"

 

 3) Now that you understand the right meaning of the term I'm assuming, sure. Its greatly gentrifying. Why do you think the rents are so high in Williamsburg?

 

Source: http://www.dnainfo.com/new-york/20130117/williamsburg/brookyln-rents-so-high-theyre-forcing-residents-manhattan-report-says

 

"Skyrocketing rents, cramped apartments and a cut-throat rental market. Conditions that originally forced New Yorkers out of Manhattan are now sending them back, a report claims. A real-estate expert said Williamsburg and DUMBO homes have become so hot that people are being priced out — and Manhattan has become a cheaper alternative."

 

Now if you actually read my quote correctly which apparently you did not, I said clearly that the Bronx is a better focus as well as South Brooklyn not the M or the L.

 

4) Ridership on the D increased as I've said in the first place to begin with. BTW I lived in the South Bronx then Fordham for 3 years I would know...

 

Source: http://new.mta.info/news-subway-ridership-l-r-g-b-d-4-7/2014/03/24/2013-ridership-reaches-65-year-high

 

"The busiest station in the Bronx was 161st Street-Yankee Stadium B Subway Line B D 4."

 

Source: http://web.mta.info/nyct/facts/ridership/ridership_sub_annual.htm

 

Snapshot:

 

 

Along many stations along the IND Grand Concourse line ridership increased by 7% ! You do the math...

 

In fact the still serves pretty run down parts of the Bronx, and so if anything,

has nothing to do with service increases or population increases.

 

5) Run down neighborhoods? Vicariously invalid point to make here.... the fires in the Bronx happened in the 70's not in 2014.

 

you may have population losses in some parts, while the population continues to explode near the and .  The Bronx just isn't trendy compared to Brooklyn, so unless ridership on the suddenly explodes,

 

6) What does the Bronx not being 'trendy' has to do with anything? This isn't the episode of 'The View'.

 

7) The fact remains that Bronx residents needs better service. The population in the Bronx is growing because people are looking for better rental apartment deals, thats the main reason. Well documented in studies and cited in newspapers. Like I said in the first place. 

 

Source: http://www.nytimes.com/2013/03/14/nyregion/more-people-moving-to-bronx-census-shows.html?_r=0

I wouldn't bank on too much service improvements, though ridership from the Chinatown areas of Brooklyn and Manhattan may force their hand.

 

8) We are not talking about pending service increases on the B70 or B4 to serve Borough Park and Bay Ridge residents as we were talking about today in the 'MTA is Incompetently Operating the B44 and B36 Buses' thread in the MTA Bus subforum, I think you better doublecheck on that.

 

9) Keeping this as subway related as possible now, you heard about the Sea Beach rehabilitation project right? The N train ? Serves Brooklyn Chinatown residents? Think of how service can be increased with the megaproject completed in 2018 right on time for the 100 year anniversary.

 

Source: http://web.mta.info/capitaldashboard/CPDHome.html

 

I. Station rehabilitation Sea Beach Line:

 

a) http://web.mta.info/capitaldashboard/allframenew_head.html?PROJNUM=t6041213&PLTYPE=1

 

b) http://web.mta.info/capitaldashboard/allframenew_head.html?PROJNUM=t6041214&PLTYPE=1

 

c) http://web.mta.info/capitaldashboard/allframenew_head.html?PROJNUM=t6041215&PLTYPE=1

 

d) http://web.mta.info/capitaldashboard/allframenew_head.html?PROJNUM=t6041216&PLTYPE=1

 

e) http://web.mta.info/capitaldashboard/allframenew_head.html?PROJNUM=t6041218&PLTYPE=1

 

f) http://web.mta.info/capitaldashboard/allframenew_head.html?PROJNUM=t6041219&PLTYPE=1

 

g) http://web.mta.info/capitaldashboard/allframenew_head.html?PROJNUM=t6041221&PLTYPE=1

 

Overhaul of continuous open cut retail wall structures and track work:

 

a) http://web.mta.info/capitaldashboard/allframenew_head.html?PROJNUM=t6070312&PLTYPE=1

 

b) http://web.mta.info/capitaldashboard/allframenew_head.html?PROJNUM=t6050261&PLTYPE=5

 

II. Completed structural improvements on the BMT 4th Ave Line for the D and N :

 

Source: http://web.mta.info/capitaldashboard/allframenew_head.html?PROJNUM=t6050231&PLTYPE=5

 

III. Aditionally, Station improvement @ 9th Ave on the West End Line:

 

Source: http://web.mta.info/capitaldashboard/allframenew_head.html?PROJNUM=t6070324&PLTYPE=1

 

I think the service improvements on the N would not be a problem according to the CCC budget construction plans to be activated any time now along with recently completed projects. Save for the Dekalb interlocking but for the sake of argument I will not focus on that seeing where you are going with this.

 

Take your time this is alot to absorb I know....

[Sam]

lol... The and aren't growing (gentrifying) at the same pace as the is.  In fact the still serves pretty run down parts of the Bronx, and so if anything, you may have population losses in some parts, while the population continues to explode near the and .  The Bronx just isn't trendy compared to Brooklyn, so unless ridership on the suddenly explodes, I wouldn't bank on too much service improvements, though ridership from the Chinatown areas of Brooklyn and Manhattan may force their hand.

 

I would respectfully have to disagree with your assessment of the Bronx as it pertains to the   line. There have been infrastructure improvements along the Grand Concourse for the better part of a decade. You would be hard-pressed to find any abandoned buildings; in fact, new construction is up in the area  along the entire length of the Grand Concourse as well as commercial shopping strips and new schools. With Manhattan rents and properties soaring through the roof, all neighborhoods in the boroughs are prime for development. 

 

Now as for the main topic at hand, the   line, while vastly improved since 2010, is still underutilized during the weekends. Even the future extension to Essex Street falls short of what's needed on both sides of the line. As a former resident of Forest Hills, the  is completely inadequate along the QB corridor as the only local. Moreover, a 50% reduction in 6th Avenue service on the weekends does not make sense either since the   could alleviate a significant amount of overcrowding on the  .

 

I don't know the details on how the MTA plans for future service, but it needs to really look at service proactively rather than reactively. If we know that a development, commercial or residential, is planned (i.e. Domino Sugar plant conversion), we can't wait for the thousands of people to actually move in there to address transportation needs. Donald Trump's Riverside Blvd development is still ongoing with more towers going up along the Hudson. The IRT lines are wholly inadequate for the explosion in population there. The IND Central Park lines need to be beefed up especially on weekends.

 

Just my $2.50!

[Via Garibaldi 8]

Ummm okay.... let me just go to the next point then ..

 

 

1) Read posts more carefully next time. I just said the same exact thing as you see here. You apparently mised that so just letting you know. Thanks in advance. You're welcome.

 

2) I think you got the terms grow and gentrify a bit mixed up.

 

Here let me help you... this is the right term usage of gentrification...

 

Source: http://www.merriam-webster.com/dictionary/gentrification

 

"Definition of GENTRIFICATION: the process of renewal and rebuilding accompanying the influx of middle-class or affluent people into deteriorating areas that often displaces poorer residents"

 

 3) Now that you understand the right meaning of the term I'm assuming, sure. Its greatly gentrifying. Why do you think the rents are so high in Williamsburg?

 

Source: http://www.dnainfo.com/new-york/20130117/williamsburg/brookyln-rents-so-high-theyre-forcing-residents-manhattan-report-says

 

"Skyrocketing rents, cramped apartments and a cut-throat rental market. Conditions that originally forced New Yorkers out of Manhattan are now sending them back, a report claims. A real-estate expert said Williamsburg and DUMBO homes have become so hot that people are being priced out — and Manhattan has become a cheaper alternative."

 

Now if you actually read my quote correctly which apparently you did not, I said clearly that the Bronx is a better focus as well as South Brooklyn not the M or the L.

 

4) Ridership on the D increased as I've said in the first place to begin with. BTW I lived in the South Bronx then Fordham for 3 years I would know...

 

Source: http://new.mta.info/news-subway-ridership-l-r-g-b-d-4-7/2014/03/24/2013-ridership-reaches-65-year-high

 

"The busiest station in the Bronx was 161st Street-Yankee Stadium B Subway Line B D 4."

 

Source: http://web.mta.info/nyct/facts/ridership/ridership_sub_annual.htm

 

Snapshot:

 

 

Along many stations along the IND Grand Concourse line ridership increased by 7% ! You do the math...

 

 

5) Run down neighborhoods? Vicariously invalid point to make here.... the fires in the Bronx happened in the 70's not in 2014.

 

 

6) What does the Bronx not being 'trendy' has to do with anything? This isn't the episode of 'The View'.

 

7) The fact remains that Bronx residents needs better service. The population in the Bronx is growing because people are looking for better rental apartment deals, thats the main reason. Well documented in studies and cited in newspapers. Like I said in the first place. 

 

Source: http://www.nytimes.com/2013/03/14/nyregion/more-people-moving-to-bronx-census-shows.html?_r=0

 

 

8) We are not talking about pending service increases on the B70 or B4 to serve Borough Park and Bay Ridge residents as we were talking about today in the 'MTA is Incompetently Operating the B44 and B36 Buses' thread in the MTA Bus subforum, I think you better doublecheck on that.

 

9) Keeping this as subway related as possible now, you heard about the Sea Beach rehabilitation project right? The N train ? Serves Brooklyn Chinatown residents? Think of how service can be increased with the megaproject completed in 2018 right on time for the 100 year anniversary.

 

LOL... The serves parts of Chinatown in Brooklyn and Manhattan doesn't it?  I am not talking about the B4 or B70, but just the areas that the serves, as is the case here.  It's not just about ridership growth, but about money.  Growth or not, those areas of the Bronx remain relatively poor, and quite frankly I believe that's part of the issue here as to why Williamsburg is seeing more service improvements.  The spillover is starting to happen in Bushwick/parts of East Williamsburg as well.  Just the way it is... Money always talks.  I would even blame the politicians representing those areas of the Bronx for not pressing more for service improvements and being vocal enough.

 

 

I would respectfully have to disagree with your assessment of the Bronx as it pertains to the    line. There have been infrastructure improvements along the Grand Concourse for the better part of a decade. You would be hard-pressed to find any abandoned buildings; in fact, new construction is up in the area  along the entire length of the Grand Concourse as well as commercial shopping strips and new schools. With Manhattan rents and properties soaring through the roof, all neighborhoods in the boroughs are prime for development. 

 

Now as for the main topic at hand, the    line, while vastly improved since 2010, is still underutilized during the weekends. Even the future extension to Essex Street falls short of what's needed on both sides of the line. As a former resident of Forest Hills, the  is completely inadequate along the QB corridor as the only local. Moreover, a 50% reduction in 6th Avenue service on the weekends does not make sense either since the    could alleviate a significant amount of overcrowding on the   .

 

I don't know the details on how the MTA plans for future service, but it needs to really look at service proactively rather than reactively. If we know that a development, commercial or residential, is planned (i.e. Domino Sugar plant conversion), we can't wait for the thousands of people to actually move in there to address transportation needs. Donald Trump's Riverside Blvd development is still ongoing with more towers going up along the Hudson. The IRT lines are wholly inadequate for the explosion in population there. The IND Central Park lines need to be beefed up especially on weekends.

 

Just my $2.50!

LOL.... Yeah, the Concourse has been improved, but not the areas surrounding the Concourse, so you can still walk off of the Concourse and fear for your safety.  

[realizm]

LOL.... Yeah, the Concourse has been improved, but not the areas surrounding the Concourse, so you can still walk off of the Concourse and fear for your safety.  

 

What does this have to do with the pending increases in L and M service? Or service on the D?

 

I thought we were talking about subway service not NYPD crime statistics by neighborhood like this is a newspaper police bleacher report. Man. Even Gerald Mervin Dahl would turn around in their graves at what is being said here and LOL...

 

It's not just about ridership growth, but about money.  Growth or not, those areas of the Bronx remain relatively poor, and quite frankly I believe that's part of the issue here as to why Williamsburg is seeing more service improvements.  The spillover is starting to happen in Bushwick/parts of East Williamsburg as well.  Just the way it is... Money always talks.

 

Everyone pays the same base fare and are entitled to appropriate service by the MTA. Even the Bronxites. Even in poorer neighborhoods. Ridership is growing so is collection revenue resultantly to pay for operation expenses. Theres your money. Even poorer folks are paying their dues albeit not by fancy transitcheks but with pay per ride single fares. Therefore they are just as entitled to better service. Whether you like it or not.

 

Do realize that the CCC ws not hesitant to do extensive repairs on the Grand Concourse last year and again this year infrastructurewise. Seems despite the fact they did not consider D service increases on weekends as of yet, they are not holding back from poor Bronx riders as much as you think they should as a public benefits corporation. They wasnt worried about what 'ghettos' it served, they was concerned about providing service to all their customers, period. 

 

Be my guest and project that sort of elitist view of subway service at your next MTA public hearing despite these facts and figures I am bring out to you, and expect to hear out for the gasps of shock from the audience and MTA board committee spokespersons ....

 

The fare revenue went to signal repairs, platform repairs, replacement of tunnel lighting, trackwork, tunnel concrete repair, platform buffer board replacement and painting. So yeah the MTA D line managers along with the CCC does care about Bronx service. Now what many ask for is a weekend D increase in the Bronx. Thats the point.....

 

Apparently you should research a bit on how revenue collection goes into operation expenses and capital construction projects. 

[Via Garibaldi 8]

 

What does this have to do with the pending increases in L and M service? Or service on the D?

 

I thought we were talking about subway service not NYPD crime statistics by neighborhood like this is a newspaper police bleacher report. Man. Even Gerald Mervin Dahl would turn around in their graves at what is being said here and LOL...

 

 

Everyone pays the same base fare and are entitled to appropriate service by the MTA. Even the Bronxites. Even in poorer neighborhoods. Ridership is growing so is collection revenue resultantly to pay for operation expenses. Theres your money. Even poorer folks are paying their dues albeit not by fancy transitcheks but with pay per ride single fares. Therefore they are just as entitled to better service. Whether you like it or not.

 

Do realize that the CCC ws not hesitant to do extensive repairs on the Grand Concourse last year and again this year infrastructurewise. Seems despite the fact they did not consider D service increases on weekends as of yet, they are not holding back from poor Bronx riders as much as you think they should as a public benefits corporation. They wasnt worried about what 'ghettos' it served, they was concerned about providing service to all their customers, period. 

 

Be my guest and project that sort of elitist view of subway service at your next MTA public hearing despite these facts and figures I am bring out to you, and expect to hear out for the gasps of shock from the audience and MTA board committee spokespersons ....

 

The fare revenue went to signal repairs, platform repairs, replacement of tunnel lighting, trackwork, tunnel concrete repair, platform buffer board replacement and painting. So yeah the MTA D line managers along with the CCC does care about Bronx service. Now what many ask for is a weekend D increase in the Bronx. Thats the point.....

 

Apparently you should research a bit on how revenue collection goes into operation expenses and capital construction projects. 

I'm not the one in charge of providing service increases, so you can take your complaints to the . I'm just stating my opinion (which I'm entitled to) on why I feel train riders are being shafted while and riders get more service, and I do believe that economic status is part of the issue here.  For your information, I use the line two to three times a week so I'm well aware of the crowding that the line faces.

[Union Tpke]

I think that the B should run on weekends to alleviate congestion.

[Lance]

Before this turns into a pissing contest about which neighborhood/borough is better than another, let's drag this thing back to the topic.

 

The primary reason for the service increases, especially on the L, should be obvious: the line is packed to the gills, even during what should be off hours. Secondly, with the M's direct connection between Bushwick, Ridgewood and even Williamsburg to midtown, the line is more appealing than it was before. It also serves as an alternative to the overcrowded L line and anything that can pull riders off the L is desired.

[realizm]

I'm not the one in charge of providing service increases, so you can take your complaints to the . I'm just stating my opinion (which I'm entitled to) on why I feel train riders are being shafted while and riders get more service, and I do believe that economic status is part of the issue here.  For your information, I use the line two to three times a week so I'm well aware of the crowding that the line faces.

 

So after providing for you almost 20 links to sources to prove my points as factual, you now shift focus just for the sake of argument by saying out of the blue that are acknowledge that that train riders in the Bronx needs more service yet they dont deserve it because as you stated:

 

 

lol... The and aren't growing (gentrifying) at the same pace as the is.  In fact the still serves pretty run down parts of the Bronx, and so if anything, you may have population losses in some parts, while the population continues to explode near the and .  The Bronx just isn't trendy compared to Brooklyn, so unless ridership on the suddenly explodes, I wouldn't bank on too much service improvements, though ridership from the Chinatown areas of Brooklyn and Manhattan may force their hand.

Entitled to an opinion then? More like an assumption that poorer riders don't need more service thats what you are basically really saying.

 

I'm done!

 

Wow... yes lets move forward now with the discussion. I agree.

[bobtehpanda]

I'd also like to point out, in addition to what Lance said, that the in particular is one of the few lines that has scope to increase frequency of trains due to its CBTC installation (and the Jamaica Line was never particularly crowded anyways). Lines like Grand Concourse are interlinked with many more lines that themselves may have chokepoints that limit the scope of improvements; DeKalb is one example.

[realizm]

The BMT Canarsie Line is experiencing the largest percentage increase in the entire system (5.3% or more than 6,000 riders per weekday), and it continues to be a growing trend. According to the ridership at a glance link on the mta website ridership increased at I believe almost every station from Rockaway Parkway to 8th Avenue,noting a 8.1% increase at the Bedford Av station. In the last 6 years or so Bedford Ave ridership increased by 50%.

 

That's incredible. And I've seen it. Really bad...

So in theory yes I agree, makes sense to me, the 6th Ave M on weekends will help offset the madness at Bedford Avenue.

According to current timetables the L runs every 3-4 minutes on rush hours or 17 TPH. That is pretty tight even with CBTC. Any less reduction in spacing to up TPH could become a safety concern. So were pretty locked in on service increase other than to increase service off peak (Currently at around 8 TPH I believe?). But that doesn't solve the problems at rush hour thats the catch.

One thing I dont agree with in the move the corporation is making towards service increases is this: Cant they simply send the M to Forest Hills on weekends? Why dead it at Essex Street? Thats one thing about operations planning that never made sense to me. As we all know the headways on the F is abysmal on the weekends. Certainly if they would simply run the M to Queens instead of Essex it would do wonders for 6th Ave local service and Queens Bvld Local service alike.