R211 Discussion Thread

[Kamen Rider]

So, yeah, today was “backward day”.

Take all the stuff they said over and over to NEVER DO… and then do it.

don’t open the window. Don’t point. Open the doors away from the platform. Don’t watch them close. Don’t sweep the platform.

I had to stop myself multiple time from going off my training.

[4P3607]

7 hours ago, Ale188 said:

You might be right, but I do know for a fact that first set was linked with 4095-99 for burn in. Here’s the video if you missed out

 

 

Meant 4080-4084 + 4120-4124, my mistake. I was moreso thrown off seeing 41xxs on their own power. I guess this really is the best time to get R46 videos while they're still plentiful for now.

[BenTheMiner]

4080-4084 and 4124-4120 are currently doing burn-in testing on the A.

On another note, I've noticed that the R211 tend to have both sets facing in opposite directions when coupled together (in terms of increasing car number). It may actually always be like that. If that's the case, does anyone know the reason for this? There may be something that requires that they be coupled like this.

[Lawrence St]

12 hours ago, RandomRider0101 said:

When the R142As were moved off the line, railfans were definitely complaining. Many still complain to this day, even though the R62As are more comfortable to ride in overall. But as we know, lots of railfans think with fan logic more than real world logic.

 

In what universe is the R62A more comfortable to ride then the R142A??

[Ale188]

2 hours ago, 4P3607 said:

Meant 4080-4084 + 4120-4124, my mistake. I was moreso thrown off seeing 41xxs on their own power. I guess this really is the best time to get R46 videos while they're still plentiful for now.

Oh, ok. And I get it though that it’s surprising to see that the 41xx series cars are on their own power. I wonder what they’re gonna do with 4090-94. That set is alone, and there’s no other sets to connect with it, so I’m guessing it’s staying alone until another 5-car set is delivered.

[RedLine]

They have to deliver it first.

[Reptile]

Sorry for more fleet swap talk but the have 20 trains in their rolling stock according to Wikipedia. 11 are R160, 9 are R179. The runs 9 R179 trains and there's about 23 in total (spares) so if the MTA makes the full length with R211s and pushes its 4-car R179 sets to the will that allow the line to run entirely R179 or will they run a couple R160s so they can have spare R179s, just going by the way the MTA allocates trains in general?

Edited July 14, 2023 by Reptile

[Kamen Rider]

49 minutes ago, Reptile said:

Sorry for more fleet swap talk but the have 20 trains in their rolling stock according to Wikipedia. 11 are R160, 9 are R179. The runs 9 R179 trains and there's about 23 in total (spares) so if the MTA makes the full length with R211s and pushes its 4-car R179 sets to the will that allow the line to run entirely R179 or will they run a couple R160s so they can have spare R179s, just going by the way the MTA allocates trains in general?

Trains are only assigned to specific inspection barns. The only reason the East New York R179s do not run on the L or M yet is their CBTC hardwear is not ready yet.

in theory, if it was an absolute emergency, the 179s could run in the M so long as the train does not enter CBTC trackage.

 

where or what the R211s do beyond pushing the R46s off the A has not been finalized yet. 

[FLX9304]

14 minutes ago, Kamen Rider said:

Trains are only assigned to specific inspection barns. The only reason the East New York R179s do not run on the L or M yet is their CBTC hardwear is not ready yet.

in theory, if it was an absolute emergency, the 179s could run in the M so long as the train does not enter CBTC trackage.

 

where or what the R211s do beyond pushing the R46s off the A has not been finalized yet. 

Once the R211s are at least 10-15 trains or 150 cars in service, the worst of the performing R46 cars will go to scrap while the best performing R46 cars will hit other lines until deemed unfit for service. Some of those parts can be used to keep the ones remaining in service for a time being. 

[Bill from Maspeth]

57 minutes ago, FLX9304 said:

Once the R211s are at least 10-15 trains or 150 cars in service, the worst of the performing R46 cars will go to scrap while the best performing R46 cars will hit other lines until deemed unfit for service. Some of those parts can be used to keep the ones remaining in service for a time being. 

How do you know?  Do you have inside knowledge with some NYCT suit that this will absolutely/positively be done?  

[subwaycommuter1983]

2 hours ago, Reptile said:

Sorry for more fleet swap talk but the have 20 trains in their rolling stock according to Wikipedia. 11 are R160, 9 are R179. The runs 9 R179 trains and there's about 23 in total (spares) so if the MTA makes the full length with R211s and pushes its 4-car R179 sets to the will that allow the line to run entirely R179 or will they run a couple R160s so they can have spare R179s, just going by the way the MTA allocates trains in general?

The base order has enough r211's to displace the r46's off the A/C. The 8 car r179's will most likely stay on the C until option order 1.

Keep in mind that there is a possibility that the C may temporarily get the rest of the 8 car r179's from ENY due to work on 63rd St, which will cause a service reduction on the M.

[Kamen Rider]

While I will remind everyone that we still have the car swap thread if you absolutely want to beat the dead horses more…

we don’t have 150 cars yet, period, let alone ready to go. 
 

that won’t be till next year…. Roughly when that GO will be over by.

so that argument just doesn’t work.

we’re not tossing the R46s in the trash just yet. 

[NBTA]

@Kamen Rider were you on 4070/4075 by any chance?

[Kamen Rider]

Today? No, I had an E job today... for some reason...

[R32 3838]

I rode the R211 from 207th to far rock today (the 1st set) and it's starting to buck already (not surprising) It's not a bad train but the R179s are way way way better in terms of ride quality and smoothness.  I wish they made more of them in 10 car sets because they are nice on the . I might have bashed them in the past but after riding one on the on the way back up. I prefer the R179 over the R211. I just hope that rumor isn't true of them leaving the line because they are the best cars for the . I'm not saying the r211s are a bad train but they are alright. The r179s are even smoother than the R142s.

[subwaycommuter1983]

33 minutes ago, R32 3838 said:

I rode the R211 from 207th to far rock today (the 1st set) and it's starting to buck already (not surprising) It's not a bad train but the R179s are way way way better in terms of ride quality and smoothness.  I wish they made more of them in 10 car sets because they are nice on the . I might have bashed them in the past but after riding one on the on the way back up. I prefer the R179 over the R211. I just hope that rumor isn't true of them leaving the line because they are the best cars for the . I'm not saying the r211s are a bad train but they are alright. The r179s are even smoother than the R142s.

It just a rumor. The 10 car r179's will stay on the A.

It doesn't make sense to remove the r179's from the A unless the MTA is planning to put them on the C once the 1st option order is delivered and the C is already 100% full length.

Right now, the A really needs to stay (at least with the base order) a mixed fleet of r179's/r211's.

[1998NewFlyer]

11 hours ago, R32 3838 said:

I rode the R211 from 207th to far rock today (the 1st set) and it's starting to buck already (not surprising) It's not a bad train but the R179s are way way way better in terms of ride quality and smoothness.  I wish they made more of them in 10 car sets because they are nice on the . I might have bashed them in the past but after riding one on the on the way back up. I prefer the R179 over the R211. I just hope that rumor isn't true of them leaving the line because they are the best cars for the . I'm not saying the r211s are a bad train but they are alright. The r179s are even smoother than the R142s.

I agree the 179s are the best cars in the system . The r211s are on a scale from 1/10 I give them a 5. The 160s are better then those cars 

[Ale188]

27 minutes ago, 1998NewFlyer said:

I agree the 179s are the best cars in the system. The r211s are on a scale from 1/10 I give them a 5. The 160s are better than those cars.

Yeah, they are. I like the 179s too. All those dumbass kids still thinkin they’re lemons till this day. When I was in NY last month at west 4th I heard a couple kids complaining that they had to ride the 179 cuz they’re lemons. They ain’t lemons anymore. Y’all know why used to be lemons? 68s. Even 46s. But those guys proved that that can be reliable in their time. The 179s also proved that they are very reliable in less than 3 years after they got taken OOS. Tbh, all new techs are good to me. Especially them 188s. (Im not trying to argue with you, I said that I agreed) (Idk why I’m doing this next part but…) If I had to rank all the different rolling stocks in the system in my opinion, it might look like this:

SMEEs: All beautiful on the outside, but haven’t ridden any yet, 9/10

142/As: like the red stripes on all the A-cars, also like how their the first trains that kinda bring paint back to the system, 8/10

143s: Alright, but only serve one or two lines, 7/10

160s: Good god, I’m not talkin about those, 10/10

179s: Great, proved to us that they’re reliable, just like every rolling stock at their time, 10/10

188s: GODLY, 10000/10

211s: Haven’t seen one but they do look good. They do waste a lot of dwell time though, 8/10

Okay, back on topic

Edited July 15, 2023 by Ale188

[NBTA]

14 minutes ago, Ale188 said:

Yeah, they are. I like the 179s too. All those dumbass kids still thinkin they’re lemons till this day. When I was in NY last month at west 4th I heard a couple kids complaining that they had to ride the 179 cuz they’re lemons. They ain’t lemons anymore. Y’all know why used to be lemons? 68s. Even 46s. But those guys proved that that can be reliable in their time. The 179s also proved that they are very reliable in less than 3 years after they got taken OOS. Tbh, all new techs are good to me. Especially them 188s. (Im not trying to argue with you, I said that I agreed) (Idk why I’m doing this next part but…) If I had to rank all the different rolling stocks in the system in my opinion, it might look like this:

SMEEs: All beautiful on the outside, but haven’t ridden any yet, 9/10

142/As: like the red stripes on all the A-cars, also like how their the first trains that kinda bring paint back to the system, 8/10

143s: Alright, but only serve one or two lines, 7/10

160s: Good god, I’m not talkin about those, 10/10

179s: Great, proved to us that they’re reliable, just like every rolling stock at their time, 10/10

188s: GODLY, 10000/10

211s: Haven’t seen one but they do look good. They do waste a lot of dwell time though, 8/10

Okay, back on topic

So because the 143s only serve the L and J, it deserves the worst rating..?

[Jemorie]

54 minutes ago, 1998NewFlyer said:

I agree the 179s are the best cars in the system . The r211s are on a scale from 1/10 I give them a 5. The 160s are better then those cars 

 

28 minutes ago, Ale188 said:

Yeah, they are. I like the 179s too. All those dumbass kids still thinkin they’re lemons till this day. When I was in NY last month at west 4th I heard a couple kids complaining that they had to ride the 179 cuz they’re lemons. They ain’t lemons anymore. Y’all know why used to be lemons? 68s. Even 46s. But those guys proved that that can be reliable in their time. The 179s also proved that they are very reliable in less than 3 years after they got taken OOS. Tbh, all new techs are good to me. Especially them 188s. (Im not trying to argue with you, I said that I agreed) (Idk why I’m doing this next part but…) If I had to rank all the different rolling stocks in the system in my opinion, it might look like this:

SMEEs: All beautiful on the outside, but haven’t ridden any yet, 9/10

142/As: like the red stripes on all the A-cars, also like how their the first trains that kinda bring paint back to the system, 8/10

143s: Alright, but only serve one or two lines, 7/10

160s: Good god, I’m not talkin about those, 10/10

179s: Great, proved to us that they’re reliable, just like every rolling stock at their time, 10/10

188s: GODLY, 10000/10

211s: Haven’t seen one but they do look good. They do waste a lot of dwell time though, 8/10

Okay, back on topic

Ya’ll say anything. Very typical for a social media platform as per usual. The R211s just got here. But whatever floats your boats…

[Princelex]

9 minutes ago, Jemorie said:

 

Ya’ll say anything. Very typical for a social media platform as per usual. The R211s just got here. But whatever floats your boats…

Thank you for saying that. I love the R179’s but how can you compare them to the R211 when there’s only 2 of them on the road? Do all of this comparison crap next year. Let the R211 get its footing in and then we can talk.  
 

Meanwhile, I saw a set testing the other day so it’s great to see more of them preparing to hit the road. I’m ready to ride on more of them on the A. 
 

The R211: The new hotness 

[FLX9304]

51 minutes ago, Ale188 said:

Yeah, they are. I like the 179s too. All those dumbass kids still thinkin they’re lemons till this day. When I was in NY last month at west 4th I heard a couple kids complaining that they had to ride the 179 cuz they’re lemons. They ain’t lemons anymore. Y’all know why used to be lemons? 68s. Even 46s. But those guys proved that that can be reliable in their time. The 179s also proved that they are very reliable in less than 3 years after they got taken OOS. Tbh, all new techs are good to me. Especially them 188s. (Im not trying to argue with you, I said that I agreed) (Idk why I’m doing this next part but…) If I had to rank all the different rolling stocks in the system in my opinion m, it might look like this:

SMEEs: All beautiful on the outside, but haven’t ridden any yet, 9/10

142/As: like the red stripes on all the A-cars, also like how their the first trains that kinda bring paint back to the system, 8/10

143s: Alright, but only serve one or two lines, 7/10

160s: Good god, I’m not talkin about those, 10/10

179s: Great, proved to us that they’re reliable, just like every rolling stock at their time, 10/10

188s: GODLY, 10000/10

211s: Haven’t seen one but they do look good. They do waste a lot of dwell time though, 8/10

Okay, back on topic

Here’s my rating on the scales of ⭐️s with  being excellent and  being poor

IRT cars: 

1948 R12 5703-5802 & 1949 R14 5803-5952: ⭐️⭐️⭐️⭐️⭐️

1950 R15 5953-5999 & 6200-6252:  ⭐️⭐️⭐️⭐️⭐️

1955 R17 6500-6899: ⭐️⭐️⭐️⭐️ 1/2: some of these trains were noisy on the el 

1956 R21 7050-7299 & R22 7300-7749: ⭐️⭐️⭐️⭐️ 1/2

1957 R26 7750-7859 Redbird 1: ⭐️⭐️⭐️⭐️⭐️

1958 R28 7860-7959 Redbird 2: ⭐️⭐️⭐️⭐️ 1/4

1960 R29 8570-8805 Redbird 3: ⭐️⭐️⭐️⭐️ 1/4

1962 R33 8806-9305 Redbird 4: ⭐️⭐️⭐️⭐️⭐️ most reliable cars ever 

1963 R33WF 9306-9345 & R36WF 9346-9523 & 9558-9769 Redbird 5B: ⭐️⭐️⭐️⭐️⭐️ smooth riders 

1964 R36 9524-9557 Redbird 5A: ⭐️⭐️⭐️⭐️⭐️

1983 R62 1301-1625: ⭐️⭐️⭐️⭐️ great on the  from 1983-2003 

1984-1987 R62A 1651-2475⭐️⭐️⭐️ if it wasn’t for 1909 getting into an accident, I would’ve given it 4 1/2 

1999-2003 R142 6301-7180 & 1101-1250: ⭐️⭐️⭐️⭐️⭐️ R17 predecessor style is why I like these cars. The Red fronts reminisces the Redbirds before them. 
 

1999-2004 R142A 7591-7810 & 2011-2013 R188 7211-7590 & 7811-7936 ⭐️⭐️⭐️⭐️⭐️ Same as 142s but the blinds are true married cars. 

BMT/IND cars: 

R1-9s 100-1802: ⭐️⭐️ never rode them

R10 1803-1852 (2950-2999), 3000-3349: ⭐️: the noisiest cars I’ve ever seen 

R16 6300-6499: ⭐️⭐️: rotten to the core at the end. 
 

R27/30/30A 8020-8569: ⭐️⭐️ another noisiest cars, especially on the shuttle 

R32: 3350-3949 ⭐️⭐️⭐️⭐️: good brightliners but lost my attraction in the 80s 

R38: 3950-4149 ⭐️⭐️⭐️⭐️: at least they kept their tops 

R40 slants 4150-4449⭐️⭐️⭐️⭐️⭐️: the R211 exterior look wrap reminisces that. 
 

R40M & R42 4450-4949 ⭐️⭐️⭐️: noisy at first but smooth towards the end. These were the first ones to get the MTA silver & blue design and Rocky wanted EVERY subway car to be painted like this. 
 

R44 100-399 —> 5202-5479 ⭐️: sucks 

R46 500-1278 —> 5482-6258 ⭐️⭐️⭐️: I like the hiss sound before it moved SSSSSSSSSSSSSSSSSSSSSS……….. (they should bring back that sound for R268s) 

R68 2500-2924 & R68A 5001-5200: ⭐️⭐️⭐️⭐️ the first 225 cars had 3 great sounds. The 68As were the awe. 
 

R143 8101-8312 ⭐️⭐️⭐️⭐️⭐️: smooth riders and great design. 
 

R160s 8313-9974 ⭐️⭐️⭐️⭐️⭐️: it’s FIND & maps are first of its kind for the . 
 

R179 3010-3327 ⭐️⭐️⭐️⭐️1/2: even though it had its problems in the past, it’s making a comeback. Hopefully the  and Bombardier can work out a deal again. 
 

R211a 4060-4499+ ⭐️⭐️⭐️⭐️⭐️: smooth ride nice interior and better ride. Get used to it, these cars are here to stay. 

Edited July 15, 2023 by FLX9304

[Ale188]

1 hour ago, NBTA said:

So because the 143s only serve the L and J, it deserves the worst rating..?

I mean, it also looks weird with the American flag under the mta logo too in my opinion. 

[Kamen Rider]

We have a random thoughts thread and a car swap thread and a whole host of other threads, peeps…

you don’t need to put everything tangentially connected to the R211s in this thread.

[1998NewFlyer]

I've rode the r211 over 10 times so I've rode them enough to judge them idgaf what yall formers think I can compare them to the r179 and I stand on what I said. 

And now everyone is a judge on rolling stock now .... 😂😂