Around the Horn Posted August 12, 2023 Share #5926 Posted August 12, 2023 (edited) An R211T was spotted at Forest Hills this afternoon, probably heading to Jamaica Yard Edited August 12, 2023 by Around the Horn 0 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Chris89292 Posted August 12, 2023 Share #5927 Posted August 12, 2023 9 minutes ago, Around the Horn said: An R211T was spotted at Forest Hills this afternoon, probably heading to Jamaica Yard I could smell the “is it gonna run on the “ comments 1 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Ale188 Posted August 12, 2023 Share #5928 Posted August 12, 2023 38 minutes ago, Chris89292 said: I could smell the “is it gonna run on the “ comments I can imagine what Broadway commuters are gonna say about it that 0 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
MJHmarc Posted August 13, 2023 Share #5929 Posted August 13, 2023 2 hours ago, Chris89292 said: I could smell the “is it gonna run on the “ comments First thing Jamaica will ask…can they be mixed and matched, we love doing that over here 😂 2 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
FLX9304 Posted August 13, 2023 Share #5930 Posted August 13, 2023 3 hours ago, MJHmarc said: First thing Jamaica will ask…can they be mixed and matched, we love doing that over here 😂 Second: it’s for training purposes only. It’s not gonna start running on ANY line yet 1 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Cait Sith Posted August 13, 2023 Share #5931 Posted August 13, 2023 4 hours ago, MJHmarc said: First thing Jamaica will ask…can they be mixed and matched, we love doing that over here 😂 They've actually been told to stop mixing and matching the Siemens and Alstom sets together.... ....yet they still mix and match the 68 and 68As together, where one set literally drags the other from what I've been told. The logic. 7 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
subwaycommuter1983 Posted August 13, 2023 Share #5932 Posted August 13, 2023 16 hours ago, Cait Sith said: They've actually been told to stop mixing and matching the Siemens and Alstom sets together.... ....yet they still mix and match the 68 and 68As together, where one set literally drags the other from what I've been told. The logic. I don't understand the logic of mixing and matching different subway sets together. What's the point of mixing for r160 A with B or r68 with r68As?? Both fleets may have similar looks, but they are mechanically different. 0 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
trainfan22 Posted August 13, 2023 Share #5933 Posted August 13, 2023 (edited) 11 minutes ago, subwaycommuter1983 said: I don't understand the logic of mixing and matching different subway sets together. What's the point of mixing for r160 A with B or r68 with r68As?? Both fleets may have similar looks, but they are mechanically different. To make service because they are lacking a spare set to make up an full train of the same set. They probably rather have mixed sets to make service rather than missing runs. Edited August 13, 2023 by trainfan22 0 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Lawrence St Posted August 13, 2023 Share #5934 Posted August 13, 2023 16 hours ago, Cait Sith said: They've actually been told to stop mixing and matching the Siemens and Alstom sets together.... ....yet they still mix and match the 68 and 68As together, where one set literally drags the other from what I've been told. The logic. Honestly that rule needs to be abolished. I've ridden a mixed R160 set and can not tell the difference then a regular straight A or B set. I feel like this whole thing is because of the R142/R142A fiasco that happened way back when. Plus didn't a R143/R160 set make it out the yard and ran in service? 0 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Ale188 Posted August 13, 2023 Share #5935 Posted August 13, 2023 1 hour ago, Lawrence St said: Honestly that rule needs to be abolished. I've ridden a mixed R160 set and can not tell the difference then a regular straight A or B set. I feel like this whole thing is because of the R142/R142A fiasco that happened way back when. Plus didn't a R143/R160 set make it out the yard and ran in service? Fleet numbers…they’re there for a reason…and also some interiors might be different too 0 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Cait Sith Posted August 13, 2023 Share #5936 Posted August 13, 2023 1 hour ago, Lawrence St said: Honestly that rule needs to be abolished. I've ridden a mixed R160 set and can not tell the difference then a regular straight A or B set. I feel like this whole thing is because of the R142/R142A fiasco that happened way back when. Plus didn't a R143/R160 set make it out the yard and ran in service? It's not the A/B concerns, it's the alstom propulsion and siemens propulsion mixed sets in particular. One set tends to drag the other, and one brakes worse than the other. 1 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
LTA1992 Posted August 14, 2023 Share #5937 Posted August 14, 2023 1 hour ago, Cait Sith said: It's not the A/B concerns, it's the alstom propulsion and siemens propulsion mixed sets in particular. One set tends to drag the other, and one brakes worse than the other. Adding to this, the MTA figured out decades ago that trains run far more efficiently when all cars are of the same type. Exceptions have been made. Like N trains made up of 8 R40Ms and 2 42s. Similarly with the 32s and 38s on the A. 0 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Lawrence St Posted August 14, 2023 Share #5938 Posted August 14, 2023 1 hour ago, Ale188 said: Fleet numbers…they’re there for a reason…and also some interiors might be different too I meant ride quality wise. 1 hour ago, Cait Sith said: It's not the A/B concerns, it's the alstom propulsion and siemens propulsion mixed sets in particular. One set tends to drag the other, and one brakes worse than the other. Hmm, I haven’t noticed that big of a difference, but maybe it’s cause I haven’t ridden them long enough. 0 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
FLX9304 Posted August 14, 2023 Share #5939 Posted August 14, 2023 2 hours ago, LTA1992 said: Adding to this, the MTA figured out decades ago that trains run far more efficiently when all cars are of the same type. Exceptions have been made. Like N trains made up of 8 R40Ms and 2 42s. Similarly with the 32s and 38s on the A. The IRTs R12/14/15/17/21/22/26/28/29/33/36 subway cars wanna have a word or 2 with you about mixing 1 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
subwaycommuter1983 Posted August 14, 2023 Share #5940 Posted August 14, 2023 25 minutes ago, FLX9304 said: The IRTs R12/14/15/17/21/22/26/28/29/33/36 subway cars wanna have a word or 2 with you about mixing Just because mixing some of the SMEEs worked in the past doesn't mean that it is going to work with the NTTs. Not all SMEEs were mixed. The r44's were never mixed with the r46s and the r62's were never mixed with the r62As. With the NTTs it's not just the mechanics, but is also the technology that would prevent the mixing. 0 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
RandomRider0101 Posted August 14, 2023 Share #5941 Posted August 14, 2023 56 minutes ago, FLX9304 said: The IRTs R12/14/15/17/21/22/26/28/29/33/36 subway cars wanna have a word or 2 with you about mixing I'm pretty sure @LTA1992 is aware that all IRT SMEES were mixed back then. As they already noted, cars run better when they are of the same type, with a few exceptions. That was the point. 1 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Cait Sith Posted August 14, 2023 Share #5942 Posted August 14, 2023 1 hour ago, FLX9304 said: The IRTs R12/14/15/17/21/22/26/28/29/33/36 subway cars wanna have a word or 2 with you about mixing He was making a point about the B-Division fleet... 0 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
RandomRider0101 Posted August 14, 2023 Share #5943 Posted August 14, 2023 26 minutes ago, Cait Sith said: He was making a point about the B-Division fleet... I really don't get some of these posters on this site. Always saying stuff that makes little to no sense. 2 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Lex Posted August 14, 2023 Share #5944 Posted August 14, 2023 On 8/13/2023 at 1:21 AM, Cait Sith said: They've actually been told to stop mixing and matching the Siemens and Alstom sets together........yet they still mix and match the 68 and 68As together, where one set literally drags the other from what I've been told. The logic. That explains all the dead motors! In case it wasn't clear, this is a joke. That said, it can't actually be good for the motors... 0 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Ale188 Posted August 14, 2023 Share #5945 Posted August 14, 2023 15 hours ago, Lawrence St said: I meant ride quality wise. Hmm, I haven’t noticed that big of a difference, but maybe it’s cause I haven’t ridden them long enough. Oh, srry bout that. I feel no difference either. They’re both almost the same because well…they ARE almost the same. I just don’t get what’s so different about the quality either. 0 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
LTA1992 Posted August 14, 2023 Share #5946 Posted August 14, 2023 (edited) 16 hours ago, FLX9304 said: The IRTs R12/14/15/17/21/22/26/28/29/33/36 subway cars wanna have a word or 2 with you about mixing Similar enough designs that it worked. Come on people.... And again, after the 80s, it mostly stopped happening. Hence the DECADES ago... I swear y'all be wanting to be right SO bad Edited August 14, 2023 by LTA1992 2 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Kamen Rider Posted August 14, 2023 Share #5947 Posted August 14, 2023 so it looks like at least one R211 set will be doing CBTC testing on the Queens Corridor this week in the overnights. 3 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Chris89292 Posted August 15, 2023 Share #5948 Posted August 15, 2023 3 hours ago, Kamen Rider said: so it looks like at least one R211 set will be doing CBTC testing on the Queens Corridor this week in the overnights. I suppose it’s the R211T set that someone supposedly said was heading towards the Jamaica yard, I could be wrong idk 0 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Ale188 Posted August 15, 2023 Share #5949 Posted August 15, 2023 (edited) The 5th A set did some BIT yesterday (BIT is short for burn-in testing) Edited August 15, 2023 by Ale188 2 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
darkstar8983 Posted August 15, 2023 Share #5950 Posted August 15, 2023 so it looks like the first few R211s will just increase the spare factor for R46s and R179s on the (essentially an R32 replacement), and then it may be a 1 for 1 replacement of the R46s once enough cars are here and cleared for service. 0 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
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