Javier Posted February 16, 2016 Share #1 Posted February 16, 2016 https://www.dnainfo.com/new-york/20160216/kew-gardens/man-caught-f-train-doors-dragged-his-death-report-says How in the world did nobody notice him get stuck? Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Fan Railer Posted February 16, 2016 Share #2 Posted February 16, 2016 Crowded platform, most likely Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Via Garibaldi 8 Posted February 16, 2016 Share #3 Posted February 16, 2016 https://www.dnainfo.com/new-york/20160216/kew-gardens/man-caught-f-train-doors-dragged-his-death-report-says How in the world did nobody notice him get stuck? Too many people in the own world on their damn cell phones. Just walk around Grand Central if you want an example. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Javier Posted February 16, 2016 Author Share #4 Posted February 16, 2016 Even so, R46's have the ability to open the door a bit to free somebody of their clothes get stuck on the door, while R160's can't open at all but the doors won't close if clothes are stuck because it makes the doors Ajar which won't let the train leave. So what exactly happened? Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Via Garibaldi 8 Posted February 16, 2016 Share #5 Posted February 16, 2016 Crowded platform, most likely At 06:45 in the morning? I doubt it would be that crowded. The guy was homeless though so who knows if he was even in the right frame of mind to begin with. Most of these homeless people have mental issues anyway. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Around the Horn Posted February 16, 2016 Share #6 Posted February 16, 2016 At 06:45 in the morning? I doubt it would be that crowded. The guy was homeless though so who knows if he was even in the right frame of mind to begin with. Most of these homeless people have mental issues anyway. That's a pretty big generalization there... Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Via Garibaldi 8 Posted February 16, 2016 Share #7 Posted February 16, 2016 That's a pretty big generalization there... Walk around Midtown and see how big of a generalization it is. It's well documented particularly here in NYC that many of the homeless people that you see have mental issues. Mental illness is a major contributor to homelessness. In a 2008 survey performed by the U.S. Conference of Mayors, 25 cities were asked for the three largest causes of homelessness in their communities. Mental illness was the third largest cause of homelessness for single adults (mentioned by 48% of cities). For homeless families, mental illness was mentioned by 12% of cities as one of the top three causes of homelessness. (National Coalition on Homelessness)Lack of treatment for the most seriously mentally ill causes the kind of delusions and bizarre behavior that makes living alone or at home with families untenable. As a result, many become people with untreated serious mental illness become homeless and communities are forced to bear the cost of that. How many seriously mentally ill are homeless? Estimates vary. In January 2012, the largest survey found 633,000 people were homeless on a given night in the United States. (HUD 2012). Of the 633,000 who were homeless, Sixty-two percent of them (almost 400,000) were sheltered (living in emergency shelters or transitional housing), but 38%, nearly a quarter of a million, were unsheltered (living on the streets or in abandoned buildings, vehicles, or parks. These estimates do not include homeless “couch-surfers,” who camp out on the sofas of friends and families, move every few days, and have no permanent address. Source: http://mentalillnesspolicy.org/consequences/homeless-mentally-ill.html Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Jdog14 Posted February 16, 2016 Share #8 Posted February 16, 2016 At 06:45 in the morning? I doubt it would be that crowded. The guy was homeless though so who knows if he was even in the right frame of mind to begin with. Most of these homeless people have mental issues anyway. This happened in the pm Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Via Garibaldi 8 Posted February 16, 2016 Share #9 Posted February 16, 2016 This happened in the pm Ah, then that makes it even worse... I can only gather that people were too self-absorbed with the cellphones, or they saw a homeless guy and stayed away. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
mediccjh Posted February 16, 2016 Share #10 Posted February 16, 2016 At 06:45 in the morning? I doubt it would be that crowded. The guy was homeless though so who knows if he was even in the right frame of mind to begin with. Most of these homeless people have mental issues anyway. He's right. Trust me, from my EMS experience. Most of them have mental issues and/or don't want help. You can lead a horse to water, but cannot make it drink. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Via Garibaldi 8 Posted February 16, 2016 Share #11 Posted February 16, 2016 He's right. Trust me, from my EMS experience. Most of them have mental issues and/or don't want help. You can lead a horse to water, but cannot make it drink. It's unfortunate, but it's a growing problem particularly here in NYC. Not enough being done to house the mentally ill... Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
itmaybeokay Posted February 16, 2016 Share #12 Posted February 16, 2016 It's unfortunate, but it's a growing problem particularly here in NYC. Not enough being done to house the mentally ill... Agreed. As far as how nobody noticed him get stuck, we can make a couple assumptions here: Firstly, his body must have been outside the train. He was so badly injured this is a given. Secondly the doors must have closed enough that the train had indication - so he very likely must have had a peice of clothing stuck in the door. The people inside the car probably didn't notice that his clothing was stuck - even if they did, for someone to have the presence of mind to run to the e-brake and pull it could easily account for 30 feet of drag. The people on the platform don't have an easy way of signalling the crew here, so for the conductor to realize that that's why people are shouting and pull the cord himself could account t for 30feet. (This is half a carlength. It's not very far.) Kew Gardens is also on a slight curve. So the conductor also may not have had a clear view of him. So - people may have noticed or they may have not - but this all may have happened quick enough that nobody could do a thing. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
46Dover Posted February 16, 2016 Share #13 Posted February 16, 2016 He's right. Trust me, from my EMS experience. Most of them have mental issues and/or don't want help. You can lead a horse to water, but cannot make it drink. I see them all the time at Port Authority Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
MHV9218 Posted February 17, 2016 Share #14 Posted February 17, 2016 Kew Gardens is also on a slight curve. So the conductor also may not have had a clear view of him. Is Kew Gardens so curved as to block visibility? I'm sure they're going to be looking very closely into whether or not the C/R gave too quick a glance, as this type of thing should never, ever happen. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
R10 2952 Posted February 17, 2016 Share #15 Posted February 17, 2016 Was it a door circuit failure? Those used to happen often on the Redbirds in their later years... Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
itmaybeokay Posted February 17, 2016 Share #16 Posted February 17, 2016 Is Kew Gardens so curved as to block visibility? I'm sure they're going to be looking very closely into whether or not the C/R gave too quick a glance, as this type of thing should never, ever happen. It doesn't take much of a curve to obscure something 300 feet away. If this happened in the far front or rear of the train, for instance. Found a photo of the station, this picture taken at the front of the train, you can't see three cars back. I hate to speculate, and It's far from my intention to imply it is the victims fault - but if the vic was behaving erattically on the platform before the incident, while the doors were still open.... Even if he cried out that he was stuck, if he was yelling earlier the C/R might have paid it no mind. Was it a door circuit failure? Those used to happen often on the Redbirds in their later years... Could be? I still speculate that it was clothing caught in the door allowing it to latch and give indication even though a person was stuck. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Javier Posted February 17, 2016 Author Share #17 Posted February 17, 2016 Reminds me of the time my zipper got stuck in the door of an R160 going to 57 St - 7 Av. Luckily I was inside and the conductor had to come and manually open the door. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
QM1to6Ave Posted February 17, 2016 Share #18 Posted February 17, 2016 Do we know if it was an 46 or a 160? I remember reading the 160's won't close if there is even a credit card between the doors. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Javier Posted February 18, 2016 Author Share #19 Posted February 18, 2016 ^Credit Cards are made of plastic and they bend when the doors of a R160 try to close on them. Sometimes It might give the green light to close the doors other times it may not. Clothing, is too weak on a perspective, their like paper, if you put a paper through a R160 door and it closes, the doors are going to think that there's nothing there. In the event of a emergency like this, if someone is screaming that their stuck, someone needs to pull the emergency brake. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
MHV9218 Posted February 18, 2016 Share #20 Posted February 18, 2016 Do we know if it was an 46 or a 160? I remember reading the 160's won't close if there is even a credit card between the doors. I heard R160. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Javier Posted February 18, 2016 Author Share #21 Posted February 18, 2016 Do we know if it was an 46 or a 160? I remember reading the 160's won't close if there is even a credit card between the doors. If it was a R46 this wouldn't have happened, so I'm betting R169. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Union Tpke Posted February 18, 2016 Share #22 Posted February 18, 2016 If it was a R46 this wouldn't have happened, so I'm betting R169. R169? The R169s are 2 AC Dynamometers. I am not sure that is what you meant. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Javier Posted February 18, 2016 Author Share #23 Posted February 18, 2016 R169? The R169s are 2 AC Dynamometers. I am not sure that is what you meant. R160 lol I hit the 9 by mistake. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
QM1to6Ave Posted February 19, 2016 Share #24 Posted February 19, 2016 If it was a R46 this wouldn't have happened, so I'm betting R169. Why wouldn't it have happened with a 46? Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Javier Posted February 19, 2016 Author Share #25 Posted February 19, 2016 R46's have the ability to open a crack while R160's don't. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
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