They won't build it! Hardhats not to work on controversial mosque near Ground Zero

[Harry]

A growing number of New York construction workers are vowing not to work on the mosque planned near Ground Zero.

 

"It's a very touchy thing because they want to do this on sacred ground," said Dave Kaiser, 38, a blaster who is working to rebuild the World Trade Center site.

 

"I wouldn't work there, especially after I found out about what the imam said about U.S. policy being responsible for 9/11," Kaiser said.

 

The grass-roots movement is gaining momentum on the Internet. One construction worker created the "Hard Hat Pledge" on his blog and asked others to vow not to work on the project if it stays on Park Place.

 

Read more: http://www.nydailynews.com/ny_local/2010/08/20/2010-08-20_we_wont_build_it_hardhats_say_no_way_they_will_work_on_wtc_mosque.html#ixzz0x9fJUYAw

[SoSpectacular]

Stand up to the man!

[St Louis Car 09]

Thats F`ed up they wont build that.

[INDman]

Thats F`ed up they wont build that.

 

It's F'ed up that people want it built near the WTC site. If the builders of the Mosque really were about healing, they would build it in a different area of the city.

[Kamen Rider]

Please, watch the Nazi Banksters Crimes Ripple Effect at http://jforjustice.co.uk/banksters

[Messino]

Good for them! They shouldnt build anything in that area for those muslim scum.

[theaveragejoe]

only in America

[YankeesPwnMets]

Yes! Screw the mosque. Screw all religious buildings. Just believe in God and throw away f**king religion. Just because your have different beliefs doesn't give you the right to blow up 2 buildings and kill 3000 innocent

[Urbanfortitude]

And this opposition to it is exactly why it's gonna be put there. I don't care either way as it doesn't affect me but honestly those families can't keep this wound open forever. No matter what gets built there it's time those families of 9/11 picked up the pieces and moved on with their lives.

[East New York]

Thats F`ed up they wont build that.

 

They are making this out to be bigger than it is. Sacred Ground??? PLEASE! It's not even on the WTC site. It's a few blocks away! True it is a very touchy subject, and I would rather it be built a little farther away than it is, but many of you are letting a few bad apples spoil the whole bunch. That's not fair to the Muslims who disagree with those totally warped beliefs of the scum who carried out the attacks.

 

Good for them! They shouldnt build anything in that area for those muslim scum.

 

You talk a lot of cash money bullshit! At least have respect for the Muslims who don't share the same beliefs, and the families of innocent Muslims who's lives were also lost on 9/11. I know a few Muslims who are totally against what those radicals stand for. Keep up the blatant disrespectful racism and I will ban your ass permanently! Take that shit somewhere else, because I will not tolerate it here any longer. Try me if you want too!!

[Shortline Bus]

They are making this out to be bigger than it is. Sacred Ground??? PLEASE! It's not even on the WTC site. It's a few blocks away! True it is a very touchy subject, and I would rather it be built a little farther away than it is, but many of you are letting a few bad apples spoil the whole bunch. That's not fair to the Muslims who disagree with those totally warped beliefs of the scum who carried out the attacks.

 

 

 

You talk a lot of cash money bullshit! At least have respect for the Muslims who don't share the same beliefs, and the families of innocent Muslims who's lives were also lost on 9/11. I know a few Muslims who are totally againt what those radicals stand for. Keep up the blatant disrespectful racism and I will ban your ass permanently! Take that shit somewhere else, because I will not tolerate it here any longer. Try me if you want too!!

 

Well said Bro. If a few members on this board don't like releglion or believe in God it's there right as Americans. It is the personal attacks whether Christian, Jewish or Muslim by haters that causes problems. I will leave it there for that situation.

 

Back to the topic. I am a Christian myself and while IMO this proposed Muslim Center should be in another area of the city myself, the personal attacks by all sides on this issue shows why this city, country and even planet will sadly IMO will never have world peace.:mad::tdown:

[R32 3348]

Once again, sacred ground my @ss. NO ONE, absolutely NO ONE would call the Burlington Coat Factory "sacred ground" on September 12th, 2001.

 

Yes! Screw the mosque. Screw all religious buildings. Just believe in God and throw away f**king religion. Just because your have different beliefs doesn't give you the right to blow up 2 buildings and kill 3000 innocent

That honestly won't solve anything. Even if you have one religion, you will still have fundamentalists and radicals (just like the ones responsible for 9/11) that interpret their religion differently than everyone else, which will still cause the same problems present in the world today (related to religion). Forgive me for going a step further, but in the hypothetical case you mentioned (I am not imposing my beliefs on anyone) the absolute ideal would be to have no religion.

[SubwayGuy]

Forgive me for going a step further, but in the hypothetical case you mentioned (I am not imposing my beliefs on anyone) the absolute ideal would be to have no religion.

 

I'd actually agree with that. Religion is something that has petulantly stuck around since prehistoric times and is every bit as antiquated.

 

If there really was a good "supreme being" in charge of this world, do you really think he's such a vapid self centered bimbette as to want all of us to kiss his ass for all of our pathetic lives under the guise that if we do, he will let us into an imaginary "paradise" where we can subsequently kiss his ass for all eternity?

 

Religion is bullshit. Get with the times. Just be a good person because it's the right thing to do and it's better than the alternative.

[akamtabx36]

Good for them! They shouldnt build anything in that area for those muslim scum.

 

thank you someone agrees with me im with you Messino

[Shortline Bus]

I'd actually agree with that. Religion is something that has petulantly stuck around since prehistoric times and is every bit as antiquated.

 

If there really was a good "supreme being" in charge of this world, do you really think he's such a vapid self centered bimbette as to want all of us to kiss his ass for all of our pathetic lives under the guise that if we do, he will let us into an imaginary "paradise" where we can subsequently kiss his ass for all eternity?

 

Religion is bullshit. Get with the times. Just be a good person because it's the right thing to do and it's better than the alternative.

 

 

Again if you an atheist that cool. My problem is when people who are not believers insulting those who believe with comments in bold. It's called being 'choice' and being respectful to those even if you totally disagree. Ditto for people who do believe and can't get along with non-beleivers.

[SubwayGuy]

Again if you an atheist that cool. My problem is when people who are not believers insulting those who believe with comments in bold. It's called being 'choice' and being respectful to those even if you totally disagree. Ditto for people who do believe and can't get along with non-beleivers.

 

And that's the problem. Religions believe they must "convert" or "attack" non believers. Creates conflict where none need exist.

 

Even Catholicism holds that those who do not pick up and follow Jesus Christ (through Catholicism) are doomed.

 

That's why I say to hell with religion. Saying religion is OK is like saying racism is OK as long as you don't hurt anyone because of it. Its continued existence creates acts of violence.

 

And I'm not atheist, I'm agnostic. I'm open to the possibility of a supreme being of some kind, but I'm not open to organized religion. Organized religion contorts and deceives for its own ends. It also creates conflicts with the other religions, which in turn causes intolerance, wars, pain, suffering, and death. Don't believe me? Look at the last 4,000 years of human history.

[Shortline Bus]

And that's the problem. Religions believe they must "convert" or "attack" non believers. Creates conflict where none need exist.

 

Even Catholicism holds that those who do not pick up and follow Jesus Christ (through Catholicism) are doomed.

 

That's why I say to hell with religion. Saying religion is OK is like saying racism is OK as long as you don't hurt anyone because of it. Its continued existence creates acts of violence.

 

And I'm not atheist, I'm agnostic. I'm open to the possibility of a supreme being of some kind, but I'm not open to organized religion. Organized religion contorts and deceives for its own ends. It also creates conflicts with the other religions, which in turn causes intolerance, wars, pain, suffering, and death. Don't believe me? Look at the last 4,000 years of human history.

 

That above statement sounds better than before. At least you have clarified your views Subway Guy. Yes for thousands of years people have expoilted religion that true. Ditto for almost any cause as well whether it's political, money, etc.

 

With that said what about Christian/Jewish "Faith" Groups who go around the world and do humaninatrian or charity that almost no one would do especially in 3rd world countries? It's also true non-faith charities help out but Christian/Jewish are among the world's biggest. Examples like Salvation Army, the "Y" formerly YMCA, etc.

 

My point is don't judge everyone on the same brush subway guy as your example comparing 'religion' to racism was not a good one. It's apples and oranges IMO. At least in America you can choose your faith or not but you have no choice on your race/ethnic background.

[SubwayGuy]

That above statement sounds better than before. At least you have clarified your views Subway Guy. Yes for thousands of years people have expoilted religion that true. Ditto for almost any cause as well whether it's political, money, etc.

 

With that said what about Christian/Jewish "Faith" Groups who go around the world and do humaninatrian or charity that almost no one would do especially in 3rd world countries? It's also true non-faith charities help out but Christian/Jewish are among the world's biggest. Examples like Salvation Army, the "Y" formerly YMCA, etc.

 

My point is don't judge everyone on the same brush subway guy as your example comparing 'religion' to racism was not a good one. It's apples and oranges IMO. At least in America you can choose your faith or not but you have no choice on your race/ethnic background.

 

You don't need faith to do good deeds. That's my point. A religion hater like myself can just as easily go help the poor as some church lady. Religion does not precede ethics and human decency. If anything, it should be pretty clear that they're unrelated.

 

Look up the freemasons. They do good things in silence and without the pretense of religion. They are one example of a group that one could join if they want to "do good" in the world which has no religious affiliation. There are other groups out there too. People should do good because it's the right thing to do not becuase their particular religion has told them there'll be a reward if they do.

[Nova RTS 9147]

I took this from a speech that Charlton Heston gave after the Columbine tragedy. I replaced a few key words with other key words so it would be appropriate to the thread topic, while still accurately explaining my views.

 

This cycle of tragedy-driven hatred must stop, because so much more connects us than that which divides us because tragedy has been, and will always be with us. Somewhere right now, evil people are planning evil things. All of us will do everything meaningful, everything we can do to prevent it, but each horrible act can't become an ax for opportunists to cleave the very Bill of Rights that binds us. America must stop this predictable pattern of reaction. When an isolated, terrible event occurs, our phones ring, demanding that Islam explain the inexplicable. Why us? Because their story needs a villain. They want us to play the heavy in their drama of packaged grief. To provide riveting programming to run between commercials for cars and cat food.

 

The dirty secret of this day and age is that political gain and media ratings all to often bloom on fresh graves. I remember a better day, where no one dared politicize or profiteer on trauma. We kept a respectful distance then, as Islam has tried to do now. Simply being silent is so often the right thing to do. But today, carnage comes with a catchy title, splashy graphics, regular promos and a reactionary passage of legislation. Reporters perch like vultures on the balconies of hotels for a hundred miles around. Cameras jockey for shocking angles as news anchors race to drench their microphones with the tears of victims.

 

Injury, shock, grief and despair shouldn't be brought to you by sponsors. That's pornography. It trivializes the tragedy it abuses. It abuses vulnerable people, and maybe worst of all, it makes the unspeakable seem commonplace. And we're often cast as the villain. That is not our role in American society, and we will not be forced to play it.

[Joe]

Even Catholicism holds that those who do not pick up and follow Jesus Christ (through Catholicism) are doomed.

 

Hey, i'd rather be told i'm doomed than have a fully-stocked Ryder truck parked outside my house.

[armax1980]

people should just move on with their lives. I thought religion taught people to forgive and forget?

 

Want to know if you're any better than a muslim? Just stand there and let people trash talk about your god. If you get mad, you're no better than a average muslim.

[SoSpectacular]

Hey, i'd rather be told i'm doomed than have a fully-stocked Ryder truck parked outside my house.

 

Oh lord, not the Ryder truck

[Messino]

 

 

 

You talk a lot of cash money bullshit! At least have respect for the Muslims who don't share the same beliefs, and the families of innocent Muslims who's lives were also lost on 9/11. I know a few Muslims who are totally againt what those radicals stand for. Keep up the blatant disrespectful racism and I will ban your ass permanently! Take that shit somewhere else, because I will not tolerate it here any longer. Try me if you want too!!

 

Stop being a pussy already when anyone says anything bad about muslims! You dont show this kind of defensiveness when someone on the board does similar to other religions or people or even towards other board members....ANYWAY Building a mosque there is a sign of victory.. Thats what muslims have done throughout history when they conquered an area..Justlike what the christians did throughout history right after they conquered an area or people....

 

If it is built, muslims will flock there from all boroughs and surrounding areas to support the victory. They will be all over the place there ....

 

And for the few muslims you know, I doubt they would support the mosque being there just for the fact of respect. LOGICAL REASONABLE MUSLIMS would say hey, the majority of people in the area are against it so we shouldnt build there or we will just be fueling the fire against the muslims religion.. Lets take it somewhere else.....So if someone or a group of muslims are REALLY against what the radicals stand for then they would not press the issue or build a mosque near such a sensitive area just because they wouldnt want to make waves..It would show Americans that they are a reasonable people and maybe win some points over..

 

It would be in their best interest to NOT build the mosque there because it would show that it is not important to have it in that area and they could build one ANYWHERE else.. There is so much wasted real estate in the city due to the bad economy they could buy any number of buildings anywhere else that are even bigger...

 

They just want to build it there to stick their thumbs on their noses towards Americans plain and simple.

 

Also think about how bad the economy is. How many jobs and money is lost and not generated because all of those offices are gone.

 

Lets worry about building more offices and a replacement WTC so we can get some revenure back into the city..How many jobs and how much income is a mosque going to produce for the city? Not much...But yet we still cant get any offices built down there. THe supposed freedom tower was supposed to be completed by now but its not even close yet we are worrying about a mosqque that will get built that will have very little benefict to the city as a whole..PATHETIC

[East New York]

Stop being a pussy already when anyone says anything bad about muslims! You dont show this kind of defensiveness when someone on the board does similar to other religions or people or even towards other board members....ANYWAY Building a mosque there is a sign of victory.. Thats what muslims have done throughout history when they conquered an area..Justlike what the christians did throughout history right after they conquered an area or people....

 

If it is built, muslims will flock there from all boroughs and surrounding areas to support the victory. They will be all over the place there ....

 

And for the few muslims you know, I doubt they would support the mosque being there just for the fact of respect. LOGICAL REASONABLE MUSLIMS would say hey, the majority of people in the area are against it so we shouldnt build there or we will just be fueling the fire against the muslims religion.. Lets take it somewhere else.....So if someone or a group of muslims are REALLY against what the radicals stand for then they would not press the issue or build a mosque near such a sensitive area just because they wouldnt want to make waves..It would show Americans that they are a reasonable people and maybe win some points over..

 

It would be in their best interest to NOT build the mosque there because it would show that it is not important to have it in that area and they could build one ANYWHERE else.. There is so much wasted real estate in the city due to the bad economy they could buy any number of buildings anywhere else that are even bigger...

 

They just want to build it there to stick their thumbs on their noses towards Americans plain and simple.

 

Also think about how bad the economy is. How many jobs and money is lost and not generated because all of those offices are gone.

 

Lets worry about building more offices and a replacement WTC so we can get some revenure back into the city..How many jobs and how much income is a mosque going to produce for the city? Not much...But yet we still cant get any offices built down there. THe supposed freedom tower was supposed to be completed by now but its not even close yet we are worrying about a mosqque that will get built that will have very little benefict to the city as a whole..PATHETIC

 

LMAO!! Now he shows some intelligence! And for the record, I'm not defending anyone. I'm enforcing rules which will be followed! I have done it before, and I usually always take issues up with users/members in a PM. But this time I made an exception just for you, to let others know that some things will not be allowed.

 

And in response to the body of your post..... Duh!!! I think we have been saying most of what you just posted for a while now!

[engineerboy6561]

Stop being a pussy already when anyone says anything bad about muslims! You dont show this kind of defensiveness when someone on the board does similar to other religions or people or even towards other board members....ANYWAY Building a mosque there is a sign of victory.. Thats what muslims have done throughout history when they conquered an area..Justlike what the christians did throughout history right after they conquered an area or people....

 

If it is built, muslims will flock there from all boroughs and surrounding areas to support the victory. They will be all over the place there ....

 

And for the few muslims you know, I doubt they would support the mosque being there just for the fact of respect. LOGICAL REASONABLE MUSLIMS would say hey, the majority of people in the area are against it so we shouldnt build there or we will just be fueling the fire against the muslims religion.. Lets take it somewhere else.....So if someone or a group of muslims are REALLY against what the radicals stand for then they would not press the issue or build a mosque near such a sensitive area just because they wouldnt want to make waves..It would show Americans that they are a reasonable people and maybe win some points over..

 

It would be in their best interest to NOT build the mosque there because it would show that it is not important to have it in that area and they could build one ANYWHERE else.. There is so much wasted real estate in the city due to the bad economy they could buy any number of buildings anywhere else that are even bigger...

 

They just want to build it there to stick their thumbs on their noses towards Americans plain and simple.

 

Also think about how bad the economy is. How many jobs and money is lost and not generated because all of those offices are gone.

 

Lets worry about building more offices and a replacement WTC so we can get some revenure back into the city..How many jobs and how much income is a mosque going to produce for the city? Not much...But yet we still cant get any offices built down there. THe supposed freedom tower was supposed to be completed by now but its not even close yet we are worrying about a mosqque that will get built that will have very little benefict to the city as a whole..PATHETIC

 

First of all, quit ragging on ENY for not letting you single out an entire religious group as "scum" because I would have done the same had I been the first to read your comment and I'm pretty sure that I can count on many others on this forum to agree. Second, I'll admit it was not necessarily a prudent decision to build the mosque in that area, but you admitted yourself that the reason the decision was imprudent was because "they wouldnt [sic] want to make waves," or in other words they would be cowed into remaining in the background by bigots and firebrands such as yourself. That is hardly an acceptable reason for a group to back down from a proposal.

As to your "sign of victory" argument, that was true in the time of the Crusades and probably remained true up through part of the nineteenth century, but I highly doubt a) that all Muslims move in lockstep and the drum beat is set by whichever group is craziest; this would be logically equivalent to arguing that all Christians move in lockstep and Timothy McVeigh hands out the orders, and I'm pretty sure that anybody who chose to make that statement in public would walk away more spat-on than Tony Heyward- and with good reason; and that spending millions of dollars renovating a blown-out building to install a community center including a mosque constitutes "planting a flag" in America. Frankly, I don't see any Muslim doing that anywhere unless some frathouse smartass decides to sew a crescent patch onto an American flag.

Finally, your last argument that our priority should be getting the Ground Zero memorial built before I have grandchildren rather than bickering over the mosque is quite sound. That said, it is also true that the furor did not start when the mosque was planned but when locals and the media turned the location of the mosque into an excues to have World War III over the airwaves. Therefore, people like yourself who indulge in anti-Islamic bigotry are to blame for the resulting controversy.