E For Erica Posted November 1, 2013 Share #601 Posted November 1, 2013 well even if it does happen, it may not even be such a big deal considering the fact that SBS has lower operating costs anyway..on locals you have to spend time sitting in bus stops, on the clock (labor costs), engine running and burning fuel while the bus is not moving and each person is paying at the one farebox. so basically fuel is being burned and labor costs are building up while the people are paying to get on, which is a long and slow process when a lot of people are there. with SBS there is less dwell time therefore less engine idle time and less buildup of labor costs while bus is not moving, since bus is moving more often. That's true. I can't wait to see this play out next time I take the B44. And are there still gonna to be RTS's and NGs on the B44 Local or is the whole route gonna be SBS? Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
BrooklynIRT Posted November 2, 2013 Share #602 Posted November 2, 2013 at least on the weekends and weeknights when there is less [personal automobile] traffic the only things that should be on the SBS should be LFS Artics. weekdays it depends on whether the buses can complete trips fast enough; they allowed what I consider to be excessive travel time for the SBS during the week although it could be due to the messed up part of Nostrand in Bed-Stuy where they may want bus ops to move slower. if the buses are going to move as slow as the schedules Acela discussed said they would, they might have trouble making service with 40 LFS Artics and thus will need some other buses... They will probably change schedules for the better later on and then 40 LFS Artics will be enough even for peak hour service Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
E For Erica Posted November 2, 2013 Share #603 Posted November 2, 2013 at least on the weekends and weeknights when there is less [personal automobile] traffic the only things that should be on the SBS should be LFS Artics. weekdays it depends on whether the buses can complete trips fast enough; they allowed what I consider to be excessive travel time for the SBS during the week although it could be due to the messed up part of Nostrand in Bed-Stuy where they may want bus ops to move slower. if the buses are going to move as slow as the schedules Acela discussed said they would, they might have trouble making service with 40 LFS Artics and thus will need some other buses... They will probably change schedules for the better later on and then 40 LFS Artics will be enough even for peak hour service Ok but will there still be a local portion of the route or no? Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
BrooklynIRT Posted November 2, 2013 Share #604 Posted November 2, 2013 Missed the part of your post that said local. Sorry. Yes there will still be a local running NGs and RTSs. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
E For Erica Posted November 2, 2013 Share #605 Posted November 2, 2013 Missed the part of your post that said local. Sorry. Yes there will still be a local running NGs and RTSs. Ok Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
AndrewJC Posted November 3, 2013 Share #606 Posted November 3, 2013 I hope this isn't gonna be a waste of money for the MTA. Because you know people been beating the fare ever since the B44 got artics in the first place. Fare beaters know that, once they've made it on the bus, they're in the clear. With SBS, that's no longer the case. The fare beaters and negotiators ("I only have $1!") in the Bronx have quickly learned to ride the Bx12 and Bx41 local. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Vistausss Posted November 3, 2013 Share #607 Posted November 3, 2013 AndrewJC is right. In my city, we also have an Eagle Team operating 7 days a week on random times and random locations (the bus service in my town is BRT with normal, non-BRT-buses) and it does make a big difference. Less people beat the fair since they were instated about 4 years ago. There were quite some beaters back then but now that's reduced by a lot. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Olegkha Posted November 4, 2013 Share #608 Posted November 4, 2013 Fare beaters know that, once they've made it on the bus, they're in the clear. With SBS, that's no longer the case. The fare beaters and negotiators ("I only have $1!") in the Bronx have quickly learned to ride the Bx12 and Bx41 local. I picked 44 Local for the next pick, And Now i think i made a mistake, EVERY fare beater and negotiator with 1 dollar or no money will pick up 44 local Oh boy...... Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
BreeddekalbL Posted November 4, 2013 Share #609 Posted November 4, 2013 I picked 44 Local for the next pick, And Now i think i made a mistake, EVERY fare beater and negotiator with 1 dollar or no money will pick up 44 local Oh boy...... do you know when your getting the results with the picks? Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Acela Express Posted November 4, 2013 Share #610 Posted November 4, 2013 I picked 44 Local for the next pick, And Now i think i made a mistake, EVERY fare beater and negotiator with 1 dollar or no money will pick up 44 local Oh boy...... You smoking. Literally. Local will be absolute murder next pick. But a lot of folks didn't pick SBS because of the money; most of the runs are 8 hours, flat. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
E For Erica Posted November 4, 2013 Share #611 Posted November 4, 2013 I picked 44 Local for the next pick, And Now i think i made a mistake, EVERY fare beater and negotiator with 1 dollar or no money will pick up 44 local Oh boy...... You smoking. Literally. Local will be absolute murder next pick. But a lot of folks didn't pick SBS because of the money; most of the runs are 8 hours, flat. Wait, you guys work for the Flatbush Depot? Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
BreeddekalbL Posted November 4, 2013 Share #612 Posted November 4, 2013 Wait, you guys work for the Flatbush Depot? yes they do why do you think various people have depot patches under their name like acela or olegkha or youngblaze Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
E For Erica Posted November 4, 2013 Share #613 Posted November 4, 2013 yes they do why do you think various people have depot patches under their name like acela or olegkha or youngblaze Lol sheesh I was just making sure. I knew it tho. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Olegkha Posted November 4, 2013 Share #614 Posted November 4, 2013 You smoking. Literally. Local will be absolute murder next pick. But a lot of folks didn't pick SBS because of the money; most of the runs are 8 hours, flat. I pick not by hours of the run or what i do during the day, but i pick by the start time, I must start at a very specific time, and this was the only thing open. I did not think about the run its self, but it is very hard to get under my skin, so i am sure it will be fine. ( i hope ) Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
E For Erica Posted November 4, 2013 Share #615 Posted November 4, 2013 I always wanted to take a tour of a bus depot one day since I might be a B/O. Is it possible to plan one or are only MTA personnel allowed in bus depots? Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
BreeddekalbL Posted November 4, 2013 Share #616 Posted November 4, 2013 I always wanted to take a tour of a bus depot one day since I might be a B/O. Is it possible to plan one or are only MTA personnel allowed in bus depots? i was able to take a tour because i had a family member who worked as a b/o so idk for you Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
E For Erica Posted November 4, 2013 Share #617 Posted November 4, 2013 i was able to take a tour because i had a family member who worked as a b/o so idk for you Well my aunt is a T/O so maybe I'll have to settle for a tour of a train yard lol Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Acela Express Posted November 4, 2013 Share #618 Posted November 4, 2013 I always wanted to take a tour of a bus depot one day since I might be a B/O. Is it possible to plan one or are only MTA personnel allowed in bus depots? "Technically" no one but authorized personnel (employees) are allowed on TA property. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
NYCtrainfan01 Posted November 4, 2013 Share #619 Posted November 4, 2013 Well my aunt is a T/O so maybe I'll have to settle for a tour of a train yard lol I do remember that the MTA gave tours for CI yard before... Not sure if they still do it... Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
E For Erica Posted November 5, 2013 Share #620 Posted November 5, 2013 "Technically" no one but authorized personnel (employees) are allowed on TA property. Lol oh I gotcha! (Wink-Wink) But last September, I was on the B83 with my friend & the B/O terminated the bus right in front of the ENY depot. We almost tried to sneak in when we got off. Then when I was 9 and my dad took me to Queens, we took the Q56 going home and I think we ended up in the depot in the dark when we got off lmao. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
BrooklynBus Posted November 5, 2013 Share #621 Posted November 5, 2013 Lol oh I gotcha! (Wink-Wink) But last September, I was on the B83 with my friend & the B/O terminated the bus right in front of the ENY depot. We almost tried to sneak in when we got off. Then when I was 9 and my dad took me to Queens, we took the Q56 going home and I think we ended up in the depot in the dark when we got off lmao. I spent my first 6 months at the MTA in that depot in 1981 and saw enough of it to last me a lifetime. It was a horror at that time with diesel fumes throughout the entire building. It was horrible. Personnel were getting sick and management woud not do a thing about it. I had signed letters from more than 20 employees complaining about the conditions there. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
E For Erica Posted November 5, 2013 Share #622 Posted November 5, 2013 I spent my first 6 months at the MTA in that depot in 1981 and saw enough of it to last me a lifetime. It was a horror at that time with diesel fumes throughout the entire building. It was horrible. Personnel were getting sick and management woud not do a thing about it. I had signed letters from more than 20 employees complaining about the conditions there.Wow that's terrible. That's why I hated GMCs and that was even before the TMCs came out. You should of seen my face in 5th grade when hybrids first arrived to the MTA and started to replace those ancient buses. I was beyond hype. And I believe ENY was the 2nd Brooklyn Depot to get hybrids in 2007 right behind FP in 2005. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Acela Express Posted November 5, 2013 Share #623 Posted November 5, 2013 OK, so back onto the 44SBS topic ... I guess we're awaiting the timetable for the new service. Less than two weeks til launch and it hasn't been put up yet. Folks on the bus have been asking me for the SBS map, etc.. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Grand Concourse Posted November 5, 2013 Share #624 Posted November 5, 2013 I might take the B44 after work just to see that lol Passing by today, they were installing a bus shelter on the sb side. Also north of the subway entrance. Quite a number of workers around. Didn't stick around long to see if they got the machines running yet. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
MTA Bus Posted November 6, 2013 Share #625 Posted November 6, 2013 The SBS machines are up and running at Willamsburg Bridge Plaza. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
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