SUBWAY - Random Thoughts Topic

[Chris89292]

1 hour ago, Lawrence St said:

That’s my point, they are doing way to much.

It’s for safety purposes, we need more cops at every station, or at least at stations were crime usually Happens

[Kamen Rider]

again... that's subjective that we're doing it too much. Management feels like we're not doing it enough. 

Edited July 5, 2023 by Kamen Rider

[Lawrence St]

5 minutes ago, Kamen Rider said:

again... that's subjective that we're doing it too much. Management feels like we're not doing it enough. 

I don’t blame you guys, I blame management. This whole extra stuff needs to stop. The information that people actually need is being drawn out by these unnecessary PSA’s.

[Kamen Rider]

1 minute ago, Lawrence St said:

I don’t blame you guys, I blame management. This whole extra stuff needs to stop. The information that people actually need is being drawn out by these unnecessary PSA’s.

again... YOU think they're unnecessary. WE don't. Stop acting like your opinion is fact. 

[Lawrence St]

4 minutes ago, Kamen Rider said:

again... YOU think they're unnecessary. WE don't. Stop acting like your opinion is fact. 

It’s not just me, it’s most of the general public. Ask anyone riding.

[MeeP15-9112]

On 7/3/2023 at 9:23 PM, FLX9304 said:

In 1993, the  was adjusting all the doors on the R62 class cars. So all the pops that you was hearing was eliminated. The orange diamonds provided what subway cars were adjusted. the green dot on several R62As mean open width cabs before the 1996. The ones on the  were converted to 5 car linked. So they were doing this because of OPTO coming to both the  42nd St and  Dyre Ave Shuttle. 

Thanks for the explanation!

While reading your response, I've found three more designations that have stumped me:

In this 1988 photo, 1499 is seen here with a green dot. To my knowledge, there were no transverse cabs since OPTO didn't exist back in 1988.

In this 2009 photo, 1970 has white circles on its yard sticker. From other pictures I've seen from around this timeframe, 1960 and 2040 were other cars that received this white dot.

In this photo, 2218 has a light blue dot next to its numberplate. Numerous cars out of 240 received this blue dot.

[Maxwell179]

How can I upload pictures here ?

 

[Maxwell179]

1 hour ago, Lawrence St said:

It’s not just me, it’s most of the general public. Ask anyone riding.

I assure you , the average rider does not give a f**k. As long as the beginning of the announcement about the current stop , transfers and next stop can be heard , who cares ?? No one but you , it’s not that deep. 

[Chris89292]

1 hour ago, Lawrence St said:

It’s not just me, it’s most of the general public. Ask anyone riding.

The public wants safety, that’s why nobody pays the fare, the MTA is going backwards, there is no change at all, safety is a top priority, MTA has to do a better job to protect its riders, I can’t go way beyond to explain this

Edited July 5, 2023 by Chris89292

[Lawrence St]

Does anyone else think if the 2010 cuts never happened that the  would have lasted well into 2018/2019? 
 

I say 2018 because of the 14th St tubes, someone would have eventually came up with the idea to reroute the  to 96th St as a special service, and later kept it permanent by replacing the entire .

[FLX9304]

17 hours ago, MeeP15-9112 said:

Thanks for the explanation!

While reading your response, I've found three more designations that have stumped me:

In this 1988 photo, 1499 is seen here with a green dot. To my knowledge, there were no transverse cabs since OPTO didn't exist back in 1988.

In this 2009 photo, 1970 has white circles on its yard sticker. From other pictures I've seen from around this timeframe, 1960 and 2040 were other cars that received this white dot.

In this photo, 2218 has a light blue dot next to its numberplate. Numerous cars out of 240 received this blue dot.

Good finds. Green dots were options like some of the trains did received dots in order to serve that the car was maintained. OPTO didn’t start on the R62 cars, but on the R62A cars in 1996. Beginning with in 1991, the first 50 cars were converted to 5 car link (1301-1350). 1431-35 and 1436-1440 did not convert but was involved in that Union Sq crash, but only 5 cars were saved. 1431-1434 & 1438 were converted 4 years later. 

Edited July 5, 2023 by FLX9304

[R32 3838]

It's safe to say that all R160s 8377 and up is CBTC compatible  (non carnarsie) now. The has been using R160's 8613-8652 and 9943-74 besides the 2 4 car units 9950-54 and another 9900 4 car unit)  for over a month now, I rode on 9960 earlier. This is probably the reason why it was easy to send more R179s back to the . Before the was only using 8377-8612. This in turns reduces to spare factor since now the can use the whole ENY R160 fleet besides the ones from the .

[randomnewyorker23]

we could’ve seen R160 siemens  trains by now

[biGC323232]

12 hours ago, Lawrence St said:

Does anyone else think if the 2010 cuts never happened that the  would have lasted well into 2018/2019? 
 

I say 2018 because of the 14th St tubes, someone would have eventually came up with the idea to reroute the  to 96th St as a special service, and later kept it permanent by replacing the entire .

To me when they rerouted the  over the 63st tube the  should have became the replacement then....Jamaica would have kept their cars and the  wouldnt been cut from 6 to 4 cars...Thats just me 

[Calvin]

22 hours ago, MeeP15-9112 said:

 

In this 1988 photo, 1499 is seen here with a green dot. To my knowledge, there were no transverse cabs since OPTO didn't exist back in 1988.

 

From this photo, were all the R62 cars back then 1351-1625 (minus 1431-1434, 1438) linked 5-car sets? I remember the 5-car conversion happened on the Bombardier R62A class cars. 

 

 

[T to Dyre Avenue]

42 minutes ago, Calvin said:

From this photo, were all the R62 cars back then 1351-1625 (minus 1431-1434, 1438) linked 5-car sets? I remember the 5-car conversion happened on the Bombardier R62A class cars. 

 

 

The car in front of 1499 in the photo is 1326. The poster who put the photo up said it’s from 1988. So more than likely all of the R62s were still single units in 1988. I say “more than likely,” because although I didn’t ride converted R62s until 1992, it’s possible they may have started converting them from singles to 5-car sets before then.

I rode the  to a lot of Yankees games that year and the next and I don’t remember any transverse cabs on the R62 trains then. The first time I rode an R62  train with transverse cabs was in 1992 after coming back to The Bronx from a school tour of Brooklyn Tech. And it looked weird because in the middle was this door with a small rectangular window and to the left of it was a large rounded window. I’d never seen anything like that in the subway before. Because the sign box cabinet door was directly in front of it, you couldn’t really look out the front and you had to be tall to look out the front through the little window in the cab door.

Edited July 6, 2023 by T to Dyre Avenue

[T to Dyre Avenue]

1 hour ago, biGC323232 said:

To me when they rerouted the  over the 63st tube the  should have became the replacement then....Jamaica would have kept their cars and the  wouldnt been cut from 6 to 4 cars...Thats just me 

They couldn’t really do that back in December 2001 because they still had the  in South Brooklyn during midday hours as well as rush to compensate for the  and  being shut out of Brooklyn until 2004 due to Manhattan Bridge work.

[randomnewyorker23]

The  may have stayed if the  stayed on 53rd and the  went through the newer 63rd. Then again, 63rd was served by literally every 6th avenue line in the 90s except the . think about it, there was the ,  and  serving it at different times, and the  could’ve went on 63rd as well.

[biGC323232]

18 minutes ago, T to Dyre Avenue said:

They couldn’t really do that back in December 2001 because they still had the  in South Brooklyn during midday hours as well as rush to compensate for the  and  being shut out of Brooklyn until 2004 due to Manhattan Bridge work.

Not really...How was the  really helping the  at that time even when it ran on 4 av......U still had to make a transfer for mid town and uptown service...Thats why they had the split  at that time  for one simple transfer at 34st....

[randomnewyorker23]

5 minutes ago, biGC323232 said:

Not really...How was the  really helping the  at that time even when it ran on 4 av......U still had to make a transfer for mid town and uptown service...Thats why they had the split  at that time  for one simple transfer at 34st....

the  and  were in service in the 80s

[biGC323232]

11 minutes ago, randomnewyorker23 said:

the  and  were in service in the 80s

It wasnt just the 80s they resorted to this service change....Each time work needed to be done on the bridge one side was lefted opened....There was plenty of times in recent years where  both  and  terminated at 34st

Edited July 6, 2023 by biGC323232

[Vulturious]

1 hour ago, randomnewyorker23 said:

The  may have stayed if the  stayed on 53rd and the  went through the newer 63rd. Then again, 63rd was served by literally every 6th avenue line in the 90s except the . think about it, there was the ,  and  serving it at different times, and the  could’ve went on 63rd as well.

If I'm not mistaken (and someone can correct me on this, maybe Trainmaster since he's been around for decades) and on a technicality, the  did run via 63 St normally operated as the Orange S since the 63 St Shuttle was still running around prior to the opening of the connection to and from QBL. However, this was like a week long service and people didn't really like it or rather not deal with the  via 63 St and was rerouted to 53 St which has seen more positivity at the time. 

[randomnewyorker23]

it seems like the 125th stations get worse the more east you go

 

125th on the  has a nice view but on the opposite end 125th on the  is basically the trenches

[Jemorie]

12 hours ago, biGC323232 said:

To me when they rerouted the  over the 63st tube the  should have became the replacement then....Jamaica would have kept their cars and the  wouldnt been cut from 6 to 4 cars...Thats just me 

 

10 hours ago, T to Dyre Avenue said:

They couldn’t really do that back in December 2001 because they still had the  in South Brooklyn during midday hours as well as rush to compensate for the  and  being shut out of Brooklyn until 2004 due to Manhattan Bridge work.

There weren’t enough cars in the Eastern Division at the time to warrant the current , so they thought it was easier to reduce the  to free up cars for the ‘s existence.

I believe the only way the current  could have existed in December 2001 is if the R27s and R30s (known as the B Division Redbirds) were not permanently retired and that those cars would have been rotated between the  and , with the  being all R42s like before prior to the R160 phase in.

[biGC323232]

3 hours ago, Jemorie said:

 

There weren’t enough cars in the Eastern Division at the time to warrant the current , so they thought it was easier to reduce the  to free up cars for the ‘s existence.

I believe the only way the current  could have existed in December 2001 is if the R27s and R30s (known as the B Division Redbirds) were not permanently retired and that those cars would have been rotated between the  and , with the  being all R42s like before prior to the R160 phase in.

How u figure....M was just an extended line already at eny...not a new line to the yard..(T to dyre also pointed out that the M was Also in south bklyn at that time)...but there where enough cars to warrent the M to run to Bay Parkway ???...Also around that time M trains also ran to Coney and J to 95st Cause of 9/11...

Edited July 6, 2023 by biGC323232