Q113 LTD Posted February 28, 2015 Share #3601 Posted February 28, 2015 I wouldn't say Orion is shit considering that the only other bus mfg to beat them/be on their level at Altoona's testing facility is Designline. The Orion VII(2011 and up) is rated the best bus to be built and tested out of Altoona. New Flyer and the rest don't come close. It all comes down to maintenance, and NICE certainly does not do well with that. The best example is with the 2012 Orion VII CNGs they got....and those were never operated by MTA! And as much as I don't like those 2004 Orion V CNGs(1633-1699)....they were much better during the MTA's reign. They were never predicted to last long, that's why, and they're right. The fact that we have an order of 110 XN40s(base order of 52 with an option of 58), there's no point in giving an old bus a new look if it's going to be gone within the 5 years Veolia has taken over. A bunch of 1500s were retired in 2012-2013, so it would've been a huge waste of money for them to waste paint to give them a temporary look. Better off doing it for a fleet that will last long, especially with tanks that goes over 15 years. ---------------- An update to the Foothill CNG saga, while one struck an overpass, I hear that another got t-boned. idk who's been driving/towing the buses into Long Island but gotdamn, what a shotty job. I hear they ordered 28 of these buses, they're down 2 already. So I saw your video riding the ex-foothill, how do you feel about the seats? Does the suburban seats feel comfortable? 0 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Cait Sith Posted February 28, 2015 Share #3602 Posted February 28, 2015 So I saw your video riding the ex-foothill, how do you feel about the seats? Does the suburban seats feel comfortable? It varies...however, it seems to me that they're more lower to the ground. Kinda makes for an uncomfortable ride. 1 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
dmouse Posted February 28, 2015 Share #3603 Posted February 28, 2015 Rendered this at 2 in the morning out of boredom, NICE New Flyer XN40 Haven't posted on here in a while lol enjoy 7 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Q43LTD Posted March 1, 2015 Share #3604 Posted March 1, 2015 Looks good 0 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Burrstone Posted March 1, 2015 Share #3605 Posted March 1, 2015 It varies...however, it seems to me that they're more lower to the ground. Kinda makes for an uncomfortable ride. Do all the ex foothills have suburban style seating? 0 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Q113 LTD Posted March 1, 2015 Share #3606 Posted March 1, 2015 Do all the ex foothills have suburban style seating? Yes. From F1200-series to F1300-series. Those buses has suburban seats, overhead luggage racks and were used for express services in LA. Fleet number range Thumbnail Year Manufacturer Model Engine Transmission Notes F1200-F1265 2002 OBI Orion V (05.501 CNG) Detroit Diesel Series 50G Allison B400R6 Feature suburban seating with overhead luggage racks. Used primarily on express routes and the Pasadena Rose Bowl Shuttle. First buses to feature multicolor destination signs. Most units retired as of February 2015 Some units sold to Nassau Inter-County Express F1300-F1350 2003 OBI Orion V (05.501 CNG) Detroit DieselSeries 50G Allison B400R6 Select units retired F1311 and F1312 sold to Nassau Inter-County Express http://cptdb.ca/wiki/index.php?title=Foothill_Transit Fleet number Thumbnail Date VIN License plate Notes F1200 2002 1VHBH3C2X26501742 1125224 RETIRED Sold to Nassau Inter-County Express F1201 2002 1VHBH3C2126501810 1125244 F1202 2002 1VHBH3C2326501811 1125245 F1203 2002 1VHBH3C2526501812 1125246 F1204 2002 1VHBH3C2726501813 1125247 F1205 2002 1VHBH3C2926501814 1125248 RETIRED Sold to Nassau Inter-County Express F1206 2002 1VHBH3C2026501815 F1207 2002 1VHBH3C2226501816 1125249 F1208 2002 1VHBH3C2426501817 1125251 F1209 2002 1VHBH3C2626501818 1125250 F1210 2002 1VHBH3C2826501819 1125252 F1211 2002 1VHBH3C2426501820 1125242 RETIRED Sold to Nassau Inter-County Express F1212 2002 1VHBH3C2626501821 1125260 F1213 2002 1VHBH3C2826501822 1125253 F1214 2002 1VHBH3C2X26501823 1125271 F1215 2002 1VHBH3C2126501824 1125270 RETIRED Sold to Nassau Inter-County Express F1216 2002 1VHBH3C2326501825 1125272 F1217 2002 1VHBH3C2526501826 1125294 F1218 2002 1VHBH3C2726501827 1146779 F1219 2002 1VHBH3C2926501828 1125285 F1220 2002 1VHBH3C2026501829 1125286 RETIRED Sold to Nassau Inter-County Express F1221 2002 1VHBH3C2026501832 1125295 F1222 2002 1VHBH3C2226501833 1125287 F1223 2002 1VHBH3C2426501834 1125289 F1224 2002 1VHBH3C2626501835 1125290 F1225 2002 1VHBH3C2826501836 1125296 RETIRED Sold to Nassau Inter-County Express F1226 2002 1VHBH3C2X26501837 1125297 RETIRED Sold to Nassau Inter-County Express F1227 2002 1VHBH3C2326501839 1125298 RETIRED Sold to Nassau Inter-County Express F1228 2002 1VHBH3C2X26501840 1148633 F1229 2002 1VHBH3C2126501841 1125299 F1230 2002 1VHBH3C2326501842 1125284 F1231 2002 1VHBH3C2526501843 1146750 F1232 2002 1VHBH3C2726501844 1146751 F1233 2002 1VHBH3C2926501845 1125288 F1234 2002 1VHBH3C2026501846 1146752 F1235 2002 1VHBH3C2226501847 1146753 F1236 2002 1VHBH3C2426501848 1146754 F1237 2002 1VHBH3C2626501849 1146755 F1238 2002 1VHBH3C2226501850 1146780 RETIRED Sold to Nassau Inter-County Express F1239 2002 1VHBH3C2426501851 1146785 F1240 2002 1VHBH3C2626501852 1148008 F1241 2002 1VHBH3C2826501853 1148015 F1242 2002 1VHBH3C2X26501854 1148019 F1243 2002 1VHBH3C2126501855 1146783 RETIRED Sold to Nassau Inter-County Express F1244 2002 1VHBH3C2326501856 1148010 RETIRED Sold to Nassau Inter-County Express F1245 2002 1VHBH3C2726501858 1148011 F1246 2002 1VHBH3C2926501859 1146784 RETIRED Sold to Nassau Inter-County Express F1247 2002 1VHBH3C2526501860 1146781 RETIRED Sold to Nassau Inter-County Express F1248 2002 1VHBH3C2726501861 F1249 2002 1VHBH3C2926501862 1148018 F1250 2002 1VHBH3C2026501863 1146782 RETIRED Sold to Nassau Inter-County Express F1251 2002 1VHBH3C2226501864 1148025 RETIRED Sold to Nassau Inter-County Express F1252 2002 1VHBH3C2426501865 RETIRED Sold to Nassau Inter-County Express F1253 2002 1VHBH3C2626501866 1148024 F1254 2002 1VHBH3C2826501867 1148021 F1255 2002 1VHBH3C2X26501868 1148009 F1256 2002 1VHBH3C2126501869 1148012 RETIRED Sold to Nassau Inter-County Express F1257 2002 1VHBH3C2826501870 1148013 RETIRED Sold to Nassau Inter-County Express F1258 2002 1VHBH3C2X26501871 1148017 RETIRED Sold to Nassau Inter-County Express F1259 2002 1VHBH3C2126501872 1148016 RETIRED Sold to Nassau Inter-County Express F1260 2002 1VHBH3C2326501873 1148027 F1261 2002 1VHBH3C2526501874 1148020 F1262 2002 1VHBH3C2726501875 1154102 RETIRED Sold to Nassau Inter-County Express F1263 2002 1VHBH3C2926501876 1154103 F1264 2002 1VHBH3C2026501877 1148026 F1265 2002 1VHBH3C2226501878 http://cptdb.ca/wiki/index.php?title=Foothill_Transit_F1200-F1265 1 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Q113 LTD Posted March 1, 2015 Share #3607 Posted March 1, 2015 Do all the ex foothills have suburban style seating? Sorry, I didn't realize my copy and paste came out wrong. Just ignore that first reply. Can't even edit since I don't have permission. Here is the correct one I was meant to send: Yes. From F1200-series to F1300-series. Those buses has suburban seats, overhead luggage racks and were used for express services in LA. Notice: F1200-F1265 are mostly used on all Commuter Express Lines(in Foothill Transit) and feature high-back reclining seats for superior passenger comfort on long-haul trips to/from Downtown Los Angeles. F1300-F1350 are regular counterparts to the F1200 Series suburban Orion V's, being used mostly on local routes(in Foothill Transit). From F1200-F1265, some units sold to Nassau Inter-County Express. From F1300-F1350, F1311 and F1312 sold to Nassau Inter-County Express . http://cptdb.ca/wiki/index.php?title=Foothill_Transit Here are the fleet numbers that are sold to Nassau Inter-County Express: From F1200-1265 License Plate From F1300-1350 License Plate F1200 1125224 F1311 1148628 F1205 1125248 F1312 1148627 F1211 1125242 F1215 1125270 F1220 1125286 F1225 1125296 F1226 1125297 F1227 1125298 F1238 1146780 F1243 1146783 F1244 1148010 F1246 1146784 F1247 1146781 F1250 1146782 F1251 1148025 F1252 N/A F1256 1148012 F1257 1148013 F1258 1148017 F1259 1148016 F1262 1154102 http://cptdb.ca/wiki/index.php?title=Foothill_Transit_F1200-F1265 http://cptdb.ca/wiki/index.php?title=Foothill_Transit_F1300-F1350 1 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
B35 via Church Posted March 1, 2015 Share #3608 Posted March 1, 2015 Rendered this at 2 in the morning out of boredom, NICE New Flyer XN40 Haven't posted on here in a while lol enjoy Lmao ! 0 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Cait Sith Posted March 1, 2015 Share #3609 Posted March 1, 2015 Do all the ex foothills have suburban style seating? I've only been on one so I can't say. 0 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Burrstone Posted March 2, 2015 Share #3610 Posted March 2, 2015 Had the morning free, headed to Freeport in hopes of seeing/riding an ex foot hill (was hoping for a nice long ride to Jamaica. No such luck, didn't see one so I headed home. Has anyone seen this on one run more than any in particular? LDL is it just random? I figured it be a good bus (with the suburban seating) for the n4X... 0 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Cait Sith Posted March 2, 2015 Share #3611 Posted March 2, 2015 Had the morning free, headed to Freeport in hopes of seeing/riding an ex foot hill (was hoping for a nice long ride to Jamaica. No such luck, didn't see one so I headed home. Has anyone seen this on one run more than any in particular? LDL is it just random? I figured it be a good bus (with the suburban seating) for the n4X... I don't think so. I know the setup is almost the same as it was on LI Bus, where depending on where the bus are, it'll operate out of that garage. For the most part, they've been at Mitchell Field, so you'll see it on...(this is just a list of routes I've found operating out of the Mitchell Field Facility) N6, N6x, N15, N16, N17, N20, N21, N22, N22A, N22x, N23, N24, N26, N27, N35, N40, N41, N43, N45, N46, N47, N48, N49, N50, N51, N54, N55, N57, N58, N70, N71, N72, N73, N74, N78, N79, N80, N81 1 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Orion VII 4 Life Posted March 2, 2015 Share #3612 Posted March 2, 2015 The fleets get constantly moved around though now IIRC, think JFK/FR at MTA Bus. That's whats different, the routes are still run from the different depots but the buses don't always stay at the same depot. 0 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Cait Sith Posted March 2, 2015 Share #3613 Posted March 2, 2015 The fleets get constantly moved around though now IIRC, think JFK/FR at MTA Bus. That's whats different, the routes are still run from the different depots but the buses don't always stay at the same depot. Last I heard, they want those buses to stay at Mitchell Field until more are ready for service. 0 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
NewFlyer 230 Posted March 10, 2015 Share #3614 Posted March 10, 2015 So at one point in history there was a N22B? I seen it in an old picture at 179th street station in the 1980s. It can be found on nycsubway.org So where did this N22B go and when was it discontinued? 0 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
NY1635 Posted March 10, 2015 Share #3615 Posted March 10, 2015 So at one point in history there was a N22B? I seen it in an old picture at 179th street station in the 1980s. It can be found on nycsubway.org So where did this N22B go and when was it discontinued? The n22B is the current n22 that runs from Hicksville and Jamaica. 0 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Theorem Ox Posted March 17, 2015 Share #3616 Posted March 17, 2015 I had a chance to ride Bus 1019 running on route N20L on Friday. Not because I wanted to, but because the donkey driving the modestly full (about 5 standees on my count spread throughout) N21 about 12 minutes earlier didn't feel like stopping at Northern & Middle Neck. Apparently, that particular driver is notorious for doing that according to what I overheard from the 2 others waiting at the stop with me. --- The engine is definitely quieter - looks like Foothill's contractors did a better job maintaining than the MTA and Nassau ever will. Highback cushioned seats with armrests throughout. The seating configuration is definitely not suitable for accommodating many standees, especially if the bus is operating at a crush load. I expect to see exposed styrofoam and heavy soiling in short time if maintenance's track record holds. Passengers were having a hard time opening the back door. The doors open inward and it looks like there was no air assist mechanism (or otherwise not operational) judging by how hard everybody was laboring with the vertical mounted pushbars to open.them. --- I got a better idea for NICE's acronym... Never Intended Contention (for) Excellence. I'm glad I don't have to ride out to Nassau now as often as I once did. 0 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Joel Up Front Posted March 17, 2015 Share #3617 Posted March 17, 2015 I'm pretty much still here because I'm the only one who still has to ride these stupid buses on a regular basis. People don't really busfan out here anymore because there's nothing new. The Foothill Orions and New Flyer winning the contract are cool, but there are only a few buses here and I'm not going to expect anything new out until next March, and that's a HOPEFUL ballpark figure. 0 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Burrstone Posted March 18, 2015 Share #3618 Posted March 18, 2015 I got a better idea for NICE's acronym... Never Intended Contention (for) Excellence. It's public bus transportation how excels t do you expect it to be? Flying is terrible, it gets worse and worse year after year and I pay a hell of a lot more for a ticket on Delta or US Air. And back in the day flying was considered glamorous.... Needy Idiots Critisizing Everything is a proper description of the average NICE rider... 0 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
theaveragejoe Posted March 19, 2015 Share #3619 Posted March 19, 2015 The engine is definitely quieter - looks like Foothill's contractors did a better job maintaining than the MTA and Nassau ever will. First Transit is the contractor for Foothills. 0 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Joel Up Front Posted March 19, 2015 Share #3620 Posted March 19, 2015 It's public bus transportation how excels t do you expect it to be? Flying is terrible, it gets worse and worse year after year and I pay a hell of a lot more for a ticket on Delta or US Air. And back in the day flying was considered glamorous.... Needy Idiots Critisizing Everything is a proper description of the average NICE rider... What the hell do flying and buses have to do with each other? They're two different modes of transport. Oh right. NICE SUCKS! 0 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Theorem Ox Posted March 19, 2015 Share #3621 Posted March 19, 2015 It's public bus transportation how excels t do you expect it to be? Flying is terrible, it gets worse and worse year after year and I pay a hell of a lot more for a ticket on Delta or US Air. And back in the day flying was considered glamorous.... Needy Idiots Critisizing Everything is a proper description of the average NICE rider... Hey listen, I'm sure that Delta and US Air considers you a "needy idiot" the next time you dare think (much less speak to one of their employees) about missed connections, missing luggage and long delays on the tarmac. I mean, what do you possibly expect from public air transportation? If I routinely confiscate YOUR MONEY on threat of imprisonment/gunpoint (call it a "tax" or a "fee" if it makes you feel better) under the guise of providing a "public service" that you may or may not use AND duly fail to deliver on that (or otherwise do a miserably poor job of it), would the whole situation sit well with YOU? Yeah, you'd happily fork over more money without a single comment or thought the next time I come back for more, wouldn't you? You personally might have no standards and expectations, but speak ONLY for yourself. Tables can turn quicker than you think. --- It's painfully evident that the operating company has virtually NO control over employees that are running amok and making a mockery of the company's missions and goals. The company shows generally POOR grasp of the needs of core customer ridership - constantly screwing around with routes and schedules, more misses than hits. One would think that if they're in above their heads, they should GET OUT OF THE RING! But I'm sure there's a lucrative enough reason why they're still sticking around despite all the pummeling from the public and the lack of "official help" from Nassau County. (I'm thinking "off the books"). 0 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Burrstone Posted March 20, 2015 Share #3622 Posted March 20, 2015 I saw Foothill 1250 being towed on Sunrise today (still in foot hill livery).... 0 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
compobus fan Posted March 20, 2015 Share #3623 Posted March 20, 2015 "It's painfully evident that the operating company has virtually NO control over employees that are running amok and making a mockery of the company's missions and goals. The company shows generally POOR grasp of the needs of core customer ridership - constantly screwing around with routes and schedules, more misses than hits. One would think that if they're in above their heads, they should GET OUT OF THE RING! But I'm sure there's a lucrative enough reason why they're still sticking around despite all the pummeling from the public and the lack of "official help" from Nassau County. (I'm thinking "off the books"). We are talking about the MTA correct ?? 0 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Joel Up Front Posted March 20, 2015 Share #3624 Posted March 20, 2015 "It's painfully evident that the operating company has virtually NO control over employees that are running amok and making a mockery of the company's missions and goals. The company shows generally POOR grasp of the needs of core customer ridership - constantly screwing around with routes and schedules, more misses than hits. One would think that if they're in above their heads, they should GET OUT OF THE RING! But I'm sure there's a lucrative enough reason why they're still sticking around despite all the pummeling from the public and the lack of "official help" from Nassau County. (I'm thinking "off the books"). We are talking about the MTA correct ?? It's almost the same thing. But there has to be a reason why those buses to Massapequa are still around when there's at most three people on them, and that's during the rush... 0 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
NY1635 Posted March 20, 2015 Share #3625 Posted March 20, 2015 It's almost the same thing. But there has to be a reason why those buses to Massapequa are still around when there's at most three people on them, and that's during the rush... Those buses to Massapequa are still around because of Sunrise Mall, even though it has a very terrible Bus Shelter. 0 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
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