Random Thoughts Thread - Nassau Inter-County Express (NICE)

[B35 via Church]

It'll just make NICE discontinued the n22L for good if you make the 22x run in both directions. 

So then.... Would that be a viable solution, or do you think it's a far-fetched/unwarranted one?

 

I was informing NICE/SCT Bus riders about Sunday service on some Suffolk County Buses.

Being that you're involved w/ the LIBRU, an errand then.....

 

He doesn't use logic dude.

I'm about to give up replying to him also, but not for that reason.....

 

N22L and x you know what nevermind NICE does it's thing.

Lol.... No need to surrender so easily.... Make the point you're gonna make.

[BM5 via Woodhaven]

So then.... Would that be a viable solution, or do you think it's a far-fetched/unwarranted one?

I don't think that would be the best solution, because those 22's need all the buses they can get at the local stops, but I could see that happen should that happen (in other words, I think that would be an unwarranted one).

 

What the n22 needs is a real limited, not this rendition of one. The n22x could work in conjunction with the limited as well. I mean they need to save as much money as they can. When the 22x started, the 22L had service operating in both directions, then on December 30, the 22L to Jamaica in the afternoon was discontinued. 

[qjtransitmaster]

So then.... Would that be a viable solution, or do you think it's a far-fetched/unwarranted one?

 

Being that you're involved w/ the LIBRU, an errand then.....

 

I'm about to give up replying to him also, but not for that reason.....

 

Lol.... No need to surrender so easily.... Make the point you're gonna make.

This is why I don't stay mad at ya. But N22 on hillside doesn't even feel slow. However I would kill the A and power up the L. And improve connections with buses to RF more on how later.

[B35 via Church]

I don't think that would be the best solution, because those 22's need all the buses they can get at the local stops, but I could see that happen should that happen (in other words, I think that would be an unwarranted one).

 

What the n22 needs is a real limited, not this rendition of one. The n22x could work in conjunction with the limited as well. I mean they need to save as much money as they can. When the 22x started, the 22L had service operating in both directions, then on December 30, the 22L to Jamaica in the afternoon was discontinued. 

So the 22L is the route that skips RFM, and is basically a LTD of the 22a (sans RFM).....

See, I remember the 22a under LIB being rather weak (because they were shunned) & everyone & their mammas catchin 22's... Now from what I gather, 22a's are actually relied upon..... But the million dollar question is, does the 22a have enough ridership to the point where it needs LTD service....

 

I get what you're sayin here..... the 22 could benefit more from a LTD than the 22a does.

I don't know about the 22L's usage all that much; is it more, less, or about the same as 22x's?

 

This is why I don't stay mad at ya. But N22 on hillside doesn't even feel slow. However I would kill the A and power up the L. And improve connections with buses to RF more on how later.

Yeah, I mean, if it (the 22) were so slow, you would not have as many ppl. taking 22's out of RFM, over 22's (which has been my point the entire time) to Queens.... If the 22x saved mad time like that, folks (and by that, I mean those from RFM that are seeking Queens) would have no qualms waiting for the 22x.....

 

Anyway, Explain what you mean by "power up the (n22)L"...... Because the 22a picks up the loads that the 22 would have a hard time doing on its own (during the rush), sans mineola (since obviously the 22a doesn't run there) b/w RFM & Queens.... Or as my co-worker says, b/w Willis/Hillside & the .....

[BM5 via Woodhaven]

So the 22L is the route that skips RFM, and is basically a LTD of the 22a (sans RFM).....

See, I remember the 22a under LIB being rather weak (because they were shunned) & everyone & their mammas catchin 22's... Now from what I gather, 22a's are actually relied upon..... But the million dollar question is, does the 22a have enough ridership to the point where it needs LTD service....

 

I get what you're sayin here..... the 22 could benefit more from a LTD than the 22a does.

I don't know about the 22L's usage all that much; is it more, less, or about the same as 22x's?

 

I don't know about the 22L ridership, because I've only taken the 22x. Maybe someone that has taken the 22L can answer that question (which I wonder also).

Edited December 29, 2013 by Q23 Central Terminal

[Theorem Ox]

I do remember the lower ridership at Roosevelt Field for Jamaica-bound 22A buses under LIB. It had a serious problem getting stuck in traffic near Glen Cove Rd & East Jericho Tpke intersection. Sometimes the traffic can be so bad around that intersection, later 22's could beat the 22A's to the Hillside/Willis stop even with the Mineola LIRR stopover.

 

The prevailing riders attitude prior to MTA's last year of LI Bus operations was that buses on a high volume route like the 22 could be trusted to come frequently at peak hours on a nice day. So for those who knew their routes well, it was a worthwhile gamble to avoid 22A's and catch the following 22 at certain times of day for a slightly faster ride.

 

From what I can tell, the situation is quite different now. Traffic doesn't seem to be nearly as bad as it used to be at Glen Cove/East Jericho Tpke and drivers don't seem to have as hard of a time making left turns onto Jericho now.

 

The problem now seems to lie more with the way NICE conducts its bus operations. NICE particularly struggles to maintain consistent service on high volume, intercounty routes even with relatively forgiving traffic. Not too big a surprise when they're still operating with very tight internal schedules (perhaps impossible to follow even for excellent experienced drivers) and with virtually no provisioning for adverse conditions (no relief buses at strategic locations that can be deployed for mechanical breakdowns or a bus seriously behind schedule with no realistic possibility for making time). 

 

Now, it makes sense to board the 22A at Roosevelt Field at all times from a Queens-bound riders perspective. Why risk waiting for the later 22 or 22X which will most likely to arrive significantly later than scheduled and probably overcrowded at that?

 

If one of the 22A runs is skipped, it's very miserable for those waiting along Hillside now.

 

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From my memory of riding it, the 22L is effectively a modified version of the 22A. It makes all stops as the 22A, but simply bypasses Roosevelt Field in addition to Mineola station.

[FamousNYLover]

Today due to NY Islanders game at Nassau Colliseium, it was tough to get on n71/n72 bus. I were escorted my two friends to Nassau Coliseium, so we spend time close to bus routes as possible, taking them to scenic view at Garves Point Preserve & Museum, late lunch at Roosevelt Field.

 

At Hempstead Transit Center, we couldn't get on 17:45 n71 Sunrise Mall #1879 because bus were CRUSH LOADED with hockey fans, which were 20 minutes late at 18:15, however our next bus 18:15 n72 Babylon #1737 which we were able to get on and it departed 1 minute early at 18:14, and suppose to arrive Glen Curtiss Blvd at 18:23, but arrived 18:26, 3 minutes late.

 

Since only my friends had game ticket, I waited for my friends at Long Island Marriot lounge and watching my friend's backrack because one of them had big one that cannot be borrowed into stadium.

 

About 21:36, we headed back Hempstead Turnpike/Glen Curtiss Blvd and waited for 21:31 n72 Hempstead from Farmingdale which suppose to arrived at our stop at 21:57, showed up 5 minutes late at 22:02, which was #1879.

Due to the game, bus got OVER CRUSH LOADED WITH NO MORE ROOM. I helped control the crowd.

While we were waiting for next 21:31 n71 Hempstead from Sunrise Mall, all kinds of LI Taxi companies, including NYCT&L car services were kept stopping at our bus stop every 30 seconds and no one want to get on the taxi. They kept being ignorant and kept stopping every 30 seconds until our 21:31 n71 Hempstead #1737 came ontime at 10:27, and suppose to arrive Hempstead at 21:36, but arrived late 3 minutes at 21:39, outside the bus terminal.

IT WAS SO CONFUSING WHEN BUS TERMINAL WERE CLOSED. After I asked good male driver as I got off n71 where n6 stops, and n6 stops by the train station.

22:40 and 22:50 n6 Jamaica never showed up and maybe new drivers didn't know where to pickup/drop-off passenger. We got on 23:00 n6 #1834, which got rear door problem in between and bus were OVER CRUSHLOADED AS HELL, even in the late night, and bus operators asked all passengers to use FRONT DOOR ONLY." It was mad hell and we were supposed to be at 179th St Station at 23:30, but arrived 29 minutes late at 23:59.

 

[B35 via Church]

I do remember the lower ridership at Roosevelt Field for Jamaica-bound 22A buses under LIB. It had a serious problem getting stuck in traffic near Glen Cove Rd & East Jericho Tpke intersection. Sometimes the traffic can be so bad around that intersection, later 22's could beat the 22A's to the Hillside/Willis stop even with the Mineola LIRR stopover.

 

The prevailing riders attitude prior to MTA's last year of LI Bus operations was that buses on a high volume route like the 22 could be trusted to come frequently at peak hours on a nice day. So for those who knew their routes well, it was a worthwhile gamble to avoid 22A's and catch the following 22 at certain times of day for a slightly faster ride.

 

From what I can tell, the situation is quite different now. Traffic doesn't seem to be nearly as bad as it used to be at Glen Cove/East Jericho Tpke and drivers don't seem to have as hard of a time making left turns onto Jericho now.

 

The problem now seems to lie more with the way NICE conducts its bus operations. NICE particularly struggles to maintain consistent service on high volume, intercounty routes even with relatively forgiving traffic. Not too big a surprise when they're still operating with very tight internal schedules (perhaps impossible to follow even for excellent experienced drivers) and with virtually no provisioning for adverse conditions (no relief buses at strategic locations that can be deployed for mechanical breakdowns or a bus seriously behind schedule with no realistic possibility for making time). 

 

Now, it makes sense to board the 22A at Roosevelt Field at all times from a Queens-bound riders perspective. Why risk waiting for the later 22 or 22X which will most likely to arrive significantly later than scheduled and probably overcrowded at that?

 

If one of the 22A runs is skipped, it's very miserable for those waiting along Hillside now.

 

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From my memory of riding it, the 22L is effectively a modified version of the 22A. It makes all stops as the 22A, but simply bypasses Roosevelt Field in addition to Mineola station.

This definitely explains why 22a's were shunned (by riders) back during the LIB days..... I mean, I don't know how many ppl take 22a's over 22's specifically now, compared to then, but there is most certainly a stark difference w/ 22a usage then & 22a usage now..... I know that b/c of the few times I wanted to hit up RFM, I would opt for the 22a, for no other reason because it was emptier; a lot less crowded..... But when NICE added 22L's & 22x's, that's where I'm out of the loop..... 

 

It's looking like L & X trips were created more to benefit the east-of-RFM folks, when that's not where the bulk of the ridership on the 22 was/is (even though it holds it's own in it's own right).... 

 

I wonder how the 22x would pan out if it started at RFM (like the 22a does), and only made stops at glen cove/old country, mineola intermodal, and willis av.... And the 22L it it were a limited route from end to end (via the current 22 b/w hicksville & RFM, then have buses run up glen cove rd to hillside, then run down hillside all the way to Jamaica..... The 22x would remain a rush hour service, but the 22L would have more trips on it throughout the day (taken from 22 trips).... 

[Vistausss]

 

It's looking like L & X trips were created more to benefit the east-of-RFM folks, when that's not where the bulk of the ridership on the 22 was/is (even though it holds it's own in it's own right).... 

 

Doesn't matter if there's no bulk of ridership. Something else could've happened instead. For example, someone from Nassau DOT living out there thus wanting better service or maybe the folks themselves wanted it, like the folks of n21 got their precious n21 reinstated middays.

[B35 via Church]

Doesn't matter if there's no bulk of ridership. Something else could've happened instead. For example, someone from Nassau DOT living out there thus wanting better service or maybe the folks themselves wanted it, like the folks of n21 got their precious n21 reinstated middays.

It absolutely matters..... The idea is to get more riders utilizing the things... Otherwise, why run em....

 

Don't bother me with these "something else could've happened" type of remarks.....

[Vistausss]

Otherwise why run 'em? Tell that to the n21 middays. There was a rage on this forum when it got restored because everyone felt it was a waste to restore it. But they did anyways... That alone proves there doesn't need to be ridership as long as people from the area are vocal enough... And maybe that's the case with east of RFM. That's all I'm saying...

Edited December 29, 2013 by Vistausss

[B35 via Church]

Otherwise why run 'em? Tell that to the n21 middays. There was a rage on this forum when it got restored because everyone felt it was a waste to restore it. But they did anyways... That alone proves there doesn't need to be ridership as long as people from the area are vocal enough... And maybe that's the case with east of RFM. That's all I'm saying...

What are you telling me about the n21 for.... I'm specifically talking about the n22 services....

 

There doesn't need to be ridership east of RFM for them to run service there? Except that there IS a notable amount of ridership east of RFM on the n22, so it doesn't make sense to even make that point.... Pinepower (You know, the same person you were co-signing earlier in this thread) can tell you all about that.... The problem is not that there's little ridership east of RFM, the problem is how service is divvyed up on the n22 & its variants..... Which is what's being discussed....

 

You're making it sound like folks in areas east of RFM on the n22 (westbury, new cassel, hicksville, etc) complained enough & poof, just on that, NICE came out w/ the 22x.... 

 

You wanna talk about the politics behind it, and a couple of us are talking about the actual usage of these buses.....

What is with you....  It's like you just throw pointers out there & hope that they stick....

Edited December 29, 2013 by B35 via Church

[Vistausss]

I'm making a comparison with n21. And I'm not talking about n22 east of RFM, I'm talking about the 22a/l/x east of RFM just like you did earlier. What's with you? You bring on a discussion point and a few posts later you divert the topic just to pick on me?

[B35 via Church]

I'm making a comparison with n21. And I'm not talking about n22 east of RFM, I'm talking about the 22a/l/x east of RFM just like you did earlier. What's with you? You bring on a discussion point and a few posts later you divert the topic just to pick on me?

In that last post of yours, you never made that distinction; you just said "east of RFM".....

(The 22a doesn't run east of RFM for starters, so I couldn't have possibly been talking about that....)

 

What's with me? My problem with you in this discussion is that you don't seem to be paying attention here.... The topic was not diverted (ironic how you're accusing me of that, but you bring up the n21 to make some unrelated point.... go figure), and I'm not in this to pick on you, get out of here with that.... The discussion has progressed since I made the original post in question...

 

So instead of playing victim, try to keep up here....

[FamousNYLover]

Otherwise why run 'em? Tell that to the n21 middays. There was a rage on this forum when it got restored because everyone felt it was a waste to restore it. But they did anyways... That alone proves there doesn't need to be ridership as long as people from the area are vocal enough... And maybe that's the case with east of RFM. That's all I'm saying...

 

I think n21 midday was restored because some riders beside me and PinePower that sometimes n20 Local/n20 LTD always misses n27 connection and during the middays, it's an hour wait if you miss n27 connection.

[B35 via Church]

The only reason you wanted it was because you like to ride NICE all day, everyday and hate to wait for the bus. Ridership on the n21 during the day is crap because no passengers stay on board past Roslyn.

 

You're wasting your breath. He rides the bus every day and does nothing else but complain on here. He doesn't have a job.

 

 

 

I agree with you. It isn't necessary to run the n22x in both directions during rush hour. No matter how many LIMITEDs or Expresses you run, the local n22s will still pick up bulk of the ridership because at this point, that's just how it is.

- Lmao.... So that's his agenda/deal..... Figured something was up when he ignored when I asked him where is he traveling to, where he has the n22, n32, n6, n6x, n40/41 all as options...

 

I noticed the second NICE came about, he virtually stopped talking about MTA affiliated services almost cold turkey... So he's pro-NICE, whatever.... But then it got to a point where it became an obsession for him to always complain about the occurrences on some NICE route.... Like, is this all you do all day, jesus christ - and this is coming from a route-fanner myself (although I simply do not have the time to be taking buses like that anymore.... and even if, the one thing I did not do was to make a habit out of complaining about the negatives of my trips... Or finding a negative where one doesn't exist)......

 

- The part in bold.... I'm afraid that's what it's come to (for either the east of RFM or west of RFM riders), which is where NICE messed up.... The idea of trying to get folks to Queens quicker isn't the problem - It's how they went about doing it.... Riders/Commuters are not stupid; they realize things like things, more than transportation providers might believe/expect.....

[Vistausss]

@Brett: No no no, let's not start about the n6 now in comparison to the n21. The fact that I diverted the topic by posting a line about the n21 is worse enough... This discussion keeps derailing due to us.

[Vistausss]

I noticed the second NICE came about, he virtually stopped talking about MTA affiliated services almost cold turkey... So he's pro-NICE, whatever.... But then it got to a point where it became an obsession for him to always complain about the occurrences on some NICE route.... Like, is this all you do all day, jesus christ - and this is coming from a route-fanner myself (although I simply do not have the time to be taking buses like that anymore.... and even if, the one thing I did not do was to make a habit out of complaining about the negatives of my trips... Or finding a negative where one doesn't exist)......

 

To be fair: he mostly just posts which routes he took and if those buses were on time or not. Maybe you and Brett see it as a complaint, I see it like he's giving us a travel story. Now that doesn't mean I'm all in for that, sometimes it's a bit too much or a bit too frequent. But complaints? IMHO not. And the times he does really complain are not per se anymore then say PinePower, Hound or Astoria Line. Which is fair, because no company is perfect so sometimes a complaint is deserved. Whether a complaint is fair or not is a different story and I did tell him a few times when to my opinion (and Burrstone's and PinePower's) a complaint by him was unfair.

 

Again: see how you want to see it, I see most of his stories as travel logs and even though it's a bit much sometimes, there's nothing wrong with it. If it makes him happy to share such things with us, then why not? Some people share pictures, others write. Like Yuki.

 

Carry on.

Edited December 29, 2013 by Vistausss

[B35 via Church]

To be fair: he mostly just posts which routes he took and if those buses were on time or not. Maybe you and Brett see it as a complaint, I see it like he's giving us a travel story. Now that doesn't mean I'm all in for that, sometimes it's a bit too much or a bit too frequent. But complaints? IMHO not. And the times he does really complain are not per se anymore then say PinePower, Hound or Astoria Line. Which is fair, because no company is perfect so sometimes a complaint is deserved. Whether a complaint is fair or not is a different story and I did tell him a few times when to my opinion (and Burrstone's and PinePower's) a complaint by him was unfair.

 

Again: see how you want to see it, I see most of his stories as travel logs and even though it's a bit much sometimes, there's nothing wrong with it. If it makes him happy to share such things with us, then why not? Some people share pictures, others write. Like Yuki.

 

Carry on.

Yeah, I will "see how I want to see it", and I don't know why you bothered to aim this at me necessarily in the first place.....

But I'm supposedly picking on you 

 

Anyway, the people you bring up..... Well, I was sick of Pinepower's incessant complaining, glad that he's more than eased up with it..... Astoria Line doesn't complain about the n6/x near as much as Yuki complains about - well, a lot of his endeavors on some NICE route, period..... Hound's posts (of the ones I seen) are basically anti-NICE; I don't see where he necessarily complains about anything....

 

The problem isn't so much that Yuki shares his stories, the problem is when he focuses on the negatives of his trips.... Or making a negative out of something that simply isn't..... That is complaining for the sake of complaining, which is annoying... Or putting it more mildly, a bit much.....

[Vistausss]

Well, like I said: I don't see it that way. But to each his own

 

Also: I didn't aim my post at you. Sorry if it looked like that. I just quoted you to have a kickoff for my point I tried to make to you and Brett.

[Burrstone]

I noticed the second NICE came about, he virtually stopped talking about MTA affiliated services almost cold turkey... So he's pro-NICE, whatever.... But then it got to a point where it became an obsession for him to always complain about the occurrences on some NICE route.... Like, is this all you do all day, jesus christ - and this is coming from a route-fanner myself (although I simply do not have the time to be taking buses like that anymore.... and even if, the one thing I did not do was to make a habit out of complaining about the negatives of my trips... Or finding a negative where one doesn't exist)......

To be fair: he mostly just posts which routes he took and if those buses were on time or not. Maybe you and Brett see it as a complaint, I see it like he's giving us a travel story. Now that doesn't mean I'm all in for that, sometimes it's a bit too much or a bit too frequent. But complaints? IMHO not. And the times he does really complain are not per se anymore then say PinePower, Hound or Astoria Line. Which is fair, because no company is perfect so sometimes a complaint is deserved. Whether a complaint is fair or not is a different story and I did tell him a few times when to my opinion (and Burrstone's and PinePower's) a complaint by him was unfair.

 

I love the random posts about a story at Whole Foods or Wendy's in the Nassau Inter County forum on a transit related website/forum.  lol

[Vistausss]

Lol. Yeah, I actually meant his travel stories with NICE, not those other crap stories about Whole Foods and whatnot.

[Turbo19]

I love the random posts about a story at Whole Foods or Wendy's in the Nassau Inter County forum on a transit related website/forum.  lol

Oh yeah, I'm still at a loss for words there, though I think you said it perfectly here: http://www.nyctransitforums.com/forums/topic/35828-nassau-inter-county-express-proposals-and-ideas/?p=727588

[qjtransitmaster]

No, the n21 midday was absolutely a waste of NICE funds. The only reason you wanted it was because you like to ride NICE all day, everyday and hate to wait for the bus. Ridership on the n21 during the day is crap because no passengers stay on board past Roslyn. You have the transfer to the n23 there or you have everyone else taking the n20 to Hicksville. Nobody rides into Glen Cove during the day. The n21 during rush hours only was one of the best money-making decisions NICE made. What about this do you not get? I've explained this many times now.

 

You're wasting your breath. He rides the bus every day and does nothing else but complain on here. He doesn't have a job.

 

I agree with you. It isn't necessary to run the n22x in both directions during rush hour. No matter how many LIMITEDs or Expresses you run, the local n22s will still pick up bulk of the ridership because at this point, that's just how it is.

  

I don't know if NICE would go as far as to discontinue the n22L, but it is better to have both running than just the Express or just the LIMITED. More flexibility for riders, possibly allowing for more ridership.

 

When only 10 people speak up to NICE, 5 people talking about the n21 means alot. It doesn't mean much in actuality because of the ridership counts of the n20/21, but NICE of course can't ignore them. Instead, they give in. This is exactly what happened with the n6. They listened to the minority of the ridership, and discontinued the LIMITED, making an express. Enough people finally complained and they keep adding stops to the express when it would have just made more sense to keep the LIMITED in the first place. NICE may also be reading this forum for all I know, but that's a different story. NICE makes decisions without thinking sometimes is all I can say.

The problem with NICE is they try too hard to please everyone!!! Which can backfire badly as evidenced by the N6/x and service cuts to heavily used routes like N55/54 to keep routes like the N46&47 around some lines they need to just let go. Or merge their unique segments with other more heavily used lines whilst eliminating redundancy. Example: they can let the N51 go bye bye then reroute N48 to merrick via N51's route and boost N49 on front st to offset N48's reroute. Then have N46 reroute via N51's segment to RF via NCC whilst Boosting service to heavy lines like N49.

 

- Lmao.... So that's his agenda/deal..... Figured something was up when he ignored when I asked him where is he traveling to, where he has the n22, n32, n6, n6x, n40/41 all as options...

 

I noticed the second NICE came about, he virtually stopped talking about MTA affiliated services almost cold turkey... So he's pro-NICE, whatever.... But then it got to a point where it became an obsession for him to always complain about the occurrences on some NICE route.... Like, is this all you do all day, jesus christ - and this is coming from a route-fanner myself (although I simply do not have the time to be taking buses like that anymore.... and even if, the one thing I did not do was to make a habit out of complaining about the negatives of my trips... Or finding a negative where one doesn't exist)......

 

- The part in bold.... I'm afraid that's what it's come to (for either the east of RFM or west of RFM riders), which is where NICE messed up.... The idea of trying to get folks to Queens quicker isn't the problem - It's how they went about doing it.... Riders/Commuters are not stupid; they realize things like things, more than transportation providers might believe/expect.....

 

So true. I always thought the complaints about are mostly BS. However I think NICE needs to understand their limits they will never beat the LIRR in speed and really it's foolish to even try many at local stops need the service more if you're so impatient get of at the nearest LIRR station!!! The only reason I put up with the N24 is cause LIRR service to those areas is HORRIBLE in comparison!!! If you can't afford it then you can't afford to even live there that is how I see it. The bus and train are both modes of PUBLIC TRANSPORTATION and shouldn't be viewed any differently. Neither should have to fight with the other. Only reason I think N22x was made was cause LIRR has no reverse service or to improve reliability on the line as a whole.

Yeah, I will "see how I want to see it", and I don't know why you bothered to aim this at me necessarily in the first place.....

But I'm supposedly picking on you 

 

Anyway, the people you bring up..... Well, I was sick of Pinepower's incessant complaining, glad that he's more than eased up with it..... Astoria Line doesn't complain about the n6/x near as much as Yuki complains about - well, a lot of his endeavors on some NICE route, period..... Hound's posts (of the ones I seen) are basically anti-NICE; I don't see where he necessarily complains about anything....

 

The problem isn't so much that Yuki shares his stories, the problem is when he focuses on the negatives of his trips.... Or making a negative out of something that simply isn't..... That is complaining for the sake of complaining, which is annoying... Or putting it more mildly, a bit much.....

The funny thing is I take WAY MORE buses and trains than yuki does however 90+% of my experiences on NICE were well VERY NICE!!!!! N35 must have a love affair with the N22 I swear I always meet my connections when using NICE wether it is bus to bus or bus to LIRR those buses sometimes have me wondering if they like to show up in my face whenever I need them. If you want to get to Jamaica quickly get off and LIRR NICE won't let you down in that area except say rush hour. I use them a bit differently than Pinepower, yuki, and Astoria line I use them as a compliment to the LIRR rather than instead of. No way will N4x be as fast it's just there to improve reliability on N4 locals when they get in trouble at rush. Sometimes due to nature of my trips I won't even need to use NICE  I firmly believe yuki is exaggerating the negatives why cause he ain't the only extreme Traveller on here. If he took SCT god I will pay to see that once he realizes how bad SCT or other systems are like in CT or even Philly he will start to complain a lot less about NICE. You have not experienced true horror till you attempt to use NJT in central NJ ON A SUNDAY!!! compared to that NICE IS 5 STARS!!! Yes don't even get me started on other NE cities THE HORROR THE HORROR!!!!

Edited December 30, 2013 by qjtransitmaster

[qjtransitmaster]

I know, I should just stop talking, shouldn't I?

 

Look, if it contributes to the conversation, I allow it. However, this forum is not for constant complaining. We're not NICE, we can't deal with your complaints. Frankly, I'm tired of people who do nothing else on here but that. This is a forum for giving and exchanging information on transit-related ideas and events, not a support system to solve your problems.

 

They're not travel stories, they're the reason he doesn't want to get a job. He is perfectly capable. If he likes NICE so much, why doesn't he work for them? Ask him that. He could probably even volunteer for them instead of wasting his time on here.

 

 

Hahaha.

 

Exactly. I'm trying my best to keep this forum on topic and not a place to b**ch. Thank you for understanding.

Save yourself man yuki's whining isn't to be taken seriously.