Threxx Posted May 23, 2012 Share #1 Posted May 23, 2012 How can congestion pricing and East River tolls be used to improve the bus system in NYC? How would they have to be set, and how could the use the extra money? Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
MHV9218 Posted May 24, 2012 Share #2 Posted May 24, 2012 The basic premise is that congestion pricing would bring in more revenue to the MTA. There'd be tolls on the Brooklyn, Manhattan, and Williamsburg Bridges for starters, and that alone would generate a huge amount of money. There are various plans at the moment, but the general idea is that you put tolls on those bridges, probably around $7.00. That brings in a substantial amount of money, and that's enough to plug the MTA deficit (the math works out) and move towards restoring some cut services (and paying for the Capital Plan, which basically ends and runs out of money around 2015). It's a good plan and I've been into the concept for ages, the tolls are barely even congestion pricing, just basically re-thinking tolls. And until Albany gives the MTA money, it's a viable solution. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Via Garibaldi 8 Posted May 24, 2012 Share #3 Posted May 24, 2012 This topic has been discussed before and was actually discussed recently... I'm not sure what is different about this thread as opposed to the previous ones?? Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
B35 via Church Posted May 24, 2012 Share #4 Posted May 24, 2012 ....Of course, this is assuming the money accumulated from congestion pricing will be allocated to bettering bus service.... I, for one, won't hold my breath...... Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest Lance Posted May 24, 2012 Share #5 Posted May 24, 2012 What? You don't believe that the money collected from the tolls would actually go to where they're supposed to? I can't imagine why. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
qjtransitmaster Posted May 24, 2012 Share #6 Posted May 24, 2012 What? You don't believe that the money collected from the tolls would actually go to where they're supposed to? I can't imagine why. not without an overseer which is why these tolls are utter BS Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
QM1to6Ave Posted May 25, 2012 Share #7 Posted May 25, 2012 Not this again. The plan sounds nice on paper, but the practical reality is that it would lead to higher prices in the city (from increased cost of delivery), a small number of people shifting to the subways (which are at capacity at rush hour already from Queens and Brooklyn), and possibly more buses on the road, which does not really solve anything. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
MHV9218 Posted May 25, 2012 Share #8 Posted May 25, 2012 Not this again. The plan sounds nice on paper, but the practical reality is that it would lead to higher prices in the city (from increased cost of delivery), a small number of people shifting to the subways (which are at capacity at rush hour already from Queens and Brooklyn), and possibly more buses on the road, which does not really solve anything. I mean, something needs to make the money that the MTA isn't getting right now. Governor's decided he's not touching taxes, and the rest of the state is barely making ends meet. The current capital plan just about stops in 2015 when the funds dry up...so what's next? Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
youngblaze Posted May 25, 2012 Share #9 Posted May 25, 2012 assuming this becomes a reality the B39 would have to be restored correct? Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
error46146 Posted May 25, 2012 Share #10 Posted May 25, 2012 Probably and also the B51 would have to be restored too. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
BrooklynBus Posted May 27, 2012 Share #11 Posted May 27, 2012 They would never use money from congestion pricing to improve bus service because if the MTA had their way they would get out of the bus business all together. The money would go to the MTA capital plan and perhaps to buy new buses or rebuild depots but not for service. The MTA would still insist on cost neutrality for changes because they were still doing that in the few years the MTA had a surplus. Also, Albany will reduce what it spends on mass transit once congestion pricing is in place so the additional amounts won't be as great as you think. Then the MTA will allocate too much of it to the rails, shortchanging the subways, just like they did when they were able to shift the toll money from the TBTA facilities to mass transit. Don't believe everything he politicians tell you. How many times have we voted for bond issues for the Second Avenue Subway? At least three? And where is it? Asking for and getting congestion pricing will be no different. it will be a disappointment because the young people are just too naive. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
qjtransitmaster Posted May 28, 2012 Share #12 Posted May 28, 2012 sad but ppl along LIRR AND MNRR are envious of nyc's transit system Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
KeystoneRegional Posted May 29, 2012 Share #13 Posted May 29, 2012 sad but ppl along LIRR AND MNRR are envious of nyc's transit system Well, they aren't too fond of the NYCT system in the Bronx and portions of Manhattan, Brooklyn and Queens, rather they like the Subways and Express Buses more. Pretty much everyone could understand why... Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
NY1635 Posted May 29, 2012 Share #14 Posted May 29, 2012 Will adding tolls on the Manhattan Bridge and Queensborough Bridge make traffic on Flatbush Avenue and Queens Blvd worse?! Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
KeystoneRegional Posted May 30, 2012 Share #15 Posted May 30, 2012 Will adding tolls on the Manhattan Bridge and Queensborough Bridge make traffic on Flatbush Avenue and Queens Blvd worse?! LOL, pretty much people will drive to Queens and Brooklyn, park in these boroughs and travel to Manhattan via Subway or Express Bus. The streets would be congested and the parking lots would be full. And pretty much no transit would be improved and rather our grocery and petro prices would rise plenty in Geographical Long Island [brooklyn, Queens, Nassau and Suffolk]. I'd be moving to New Jersey. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
MHV9218 Posted May 31, 2012 Share #16 Posted May 31, 2012 LOL, pretty much people will drive to Queens and Brooklyn, park in these boroughs and travel to Manhattan via Subway or Express Bus. The streets would be congested and the parking lots would be full. And pretty much no transit would be improved and rather our grocery and petro prices would rise plenty in Geographical Long Island [brooklyn, Queens, Nassau and Suffolk]. I'd be moving to New Jersey. I mean that's just not true at all. It's just a toll. Did Jerseyites stop coming into the city when the tolls on the Holland Tunnel got jacked up? Unfortunately not. [just joking...] But it's a toll, it's not the end of the world, and its main effect would be encouraging (heck, almost forcing) people to use transit and not drive, and that combined with the revenue from the tolls would help the MTA out a whole lot. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Phantom909 Posted May 31, 2012 Share #17 Posted May 31, 2012 I mean that's just not true at all. It's just a toll. Did Jerseyites stop coming into the city when the tolls on the Holland Tunnel got jacked up? Unfortunately not. [just joking...] But it's a toll, it's not the end of the world, and its main effect would be encouraging (heck, almost forcing) people to use transit and not drive, and that combined with the revenue from the tolls would help the MTA out a whole lot. oh i love that line "force people to" how about this, lets force the mta and our elected politicians to STOP WASTING OUR MONEY, and live whithin its means. We have to, why cant they? Joe Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
qjtransitmaster Posted May 31, 2012 Share #18 Posted May 31, 2012 ny1635 not if the tolls are gateless Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Gorgor Posted May 31, 2012 Share #19 Posted May 31, 2012 Someone please tell me how the heck they're going to manage to set up toll booths without making traffic congestion exponentially worse? If people are willing to spend a lot of money on gas to get into the city already, an extra toll won't stop them from driving; they'll just hate the city even more. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
NX Express Posted May 31, 2012 Share #20 Posted May 31, 2012 Someone please tell me how the heck they're going to manage to set up toll booths without making traffic congestion exponentially worse? If people are willing to spend a lot of money on gas to get into the city already, an extra toll won't stop them from driving; they'll just hate the city even more. They can do boothless tolling, like on the Henry Hudson Bridge. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Gorgor Posted May 31, 2012 Share #21 Posted May 31, 2012 They can do boothless tolling, like on the Henry Hudson Bridge. How exactly do those work anyways? Do they scan the license plates of the cars and automatically send them the bill for the toll? Traffic on the avenues in Manhattan is pretty tight, and a big truck could easily block part of or the entirety of the license plate of the car behind it, or cars can sometimes drive close enough to each other which could also skew it up. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Tokkemon Posted May 31, 2012 Share #22 Posted May 31, 2012 The problem with Congestion pricing is it will raise prices for literally everything in Manhattan. And the New Jersey example doesn't hold water. There was never a toll-less option to cross the Hudson River. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
MHV9218 Posted May 31, 2012 Share #23 Posted May 31, 2012 Someone please tell me how the heck they're going to manage to set up toll booths without making traffic congestion exponentially worse? If people are willing to spend a lot of money on gas to get into the city already, an extra toll won't stop them from driving; they'll just hate the city even more. Frankly, it doesn't matter what people think of the city as long as they pay. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
MTARegional Bus Posted May 31, 2012 Share #24 Posted May 31, 2012 It won't, Congestion pricing is a way for the city to pay for itself without fed money, it not going to pay for bus and subway improvements. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
KeystoneRegional Posted June 1, 2012 Share #25 Posted June 1, 2012 I mean that's just not true at all. It's just a toll. Did Jerseyites stop coming into the city when the tolls on the Holland Tunnel got jacked up? Unfortunately not. [just joking...] But it's a toll, it's not the end of the world, and its main effect would be encouraging (heck, almost forcing) people to use transit and not drive, and that combined with the revenue from the tolls would help the MTA out a whole lot. LOL, Jerseyites actually help NYC's economy, and really there is no way to avoid tolls unless if you travel all the way up to Albany to get to New England or what not. And really it's in the hands of the corrupt Port Authority of New York & New Jersey. And help the ? Please! It's gonna be stuffed into the pockets of the big-wigs and those long delayed constructions. Our pockets would get raped more by our fine money wasting government and it's agencies. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Recommended Posts
Archived
This topic is now archived and is closed to further replies.