NJT proposals/ideas thread 2012-2013

[biGC323232]

10 hours ago, MNR Beacon Line said:

Wouldn’t be worth it. 123s are empty as it is once they hit Jersey City. The heavy ridership is all in Union City.

 

9 hours ago, B35 via Church said:

For what? The #119 would go back inside JSQ.....

On weekends that wouldnt be that bad...Christ hospital not that far from JSQ and the 125 runs terrible and that might boost ridership a little on the 123 in my opinion...To be honest the 119 should only stop inside the terminal is overnight with they stop the 10....

[FlxMtroD]

Why not have the #123 extend to Exchange Place via Newark Ave instead of Journal Sq? Already have enough bus routes in and around the Journal Sq area that goes to New York. Exchange Place will have their very own bus line going into Mid Town Manhattan 

[BreeddekalbL]

1 hour ago, FlxMtroD said:

Why not have the #123 extend to Exchange Place via Newark Ave instead of Journal Sq? Already have enough bus routes in and around the Journal Sq area that goes to New York. Exchange Place will have their very own bus line going into Mid Town Manhattan 

The counter-point is would it run against path?

[Lawrence St]

Can we get rid of all these variations to the 126? There’s no reason large buses should be running down some of these tight *** side streets…

[B35 via Church]

12 hours ago, biGC323232 said:

On weekends that wouldnt be that bad...Christ hospital not that far from JSQ and the 125 runs terrible and that might boost ridership a little on the 123 in my opinion...To be honest the 119 should only stop inside the terminal is overnight with they stop the 10....

Yeah, the #125 runs like crap, but length isn't the reason why I wouldn't bother running the #123 to JSQ... @BreeddekalbL's "random thought" there appears to be rather implicative of having the #123 take the place of the #119 running inside JSQ, which I can't concur with....

8 hours ago, FlxMtroD said:

Why not have the #123 extend to Exchange Place via Newark Ave instead of Journal Sq? Already have enough bus routes in and around the Journal Sq area that goes to New York. Exchange Place will have their very own bus line going into Mid Town Manhattan 

5 hours ago, Lawrence St said:

Can we get rid of all these variations to the 126? There’s no reason large buses should be running down some of these tight *** side streets…

I'd kill two birds with 1 stone here, because I never cared for the #126 running past Hoboken to serve that pocket of Jersey City at/around Hamilton Park....

I can side with the general idea of running the #123 to Exchange Place, but during peak hours (peak direction), I'd divvy up trips between 1] short turning at Congress st. HBLR, 2] terminating at Hamilton Park (less total trips serving it than the current #126), and 3] terminating at Exchange Place - however, peak trips to/from Exchange place would be all 'X" trips (inbound trips would run straight to PABT after Congress st, outbound trips would have Congress st. be the first stop after leaving PABT).... All other times, no service to Hamilton Park, but I would still have a significant enough an amount of trips short turning at Congress st. HBLR....

7 hours ago, BreeddekalbL said:

The counter-point is would it run against path?

You mean like the current #126 from Hoboken & the current #119 & #125 from JSQ?

[FlxMtroD]

25 minutes ago, B35 via Church said:

Yeah, the #125 runs like crap, but length isn't the reason why I wouldn't bother running the #123 to JSQ... @BreeddekalbL's "random thought" there appears to be rather implicative of having the #123 take the place of the #119 running inside JSQ, which I can't concur with....

I'd kill two birds with 1 stone here, because I never cared for the #126 running past Hoboken to serve that pocket of Jersey City at/around Hamilton Park....

I can side with the general idea of running the #123 to Exchange Place, but during peak hours (peak direction), I'd divvy up trips between 1] short turning at Congress st. HBLR, 2] terminating at Hamilton Park (less total trips serving it than the current #126), and 3] terminating at Exchange Place - however, peak trips to/from Exchange place would be all 'X" trips (inbound trips would run straight to PABT after Congress st, outbound trips would have Congress st. be the first stop after leaving PABT).... All other times, no service to Hamilton Park, but I would still have a significant enough an amount of trips short turning at Congress st. HBLR....

You mean like the current #126 from Hoboken & the current #119 & #125 from JSQ?

I like your idea of the 123"X" Express peak period only with inbound local pickups/ drop offs ending at Congress Street then express to PABT and vice versa 

[BM5 via Woodhaven]

Speaking of X trips, I really do think they should try their hand with a 119X. That trip down to Bayonne can be brutal even outside the rush hour, I can only imagine how much worse it gets during rush hours. Plus I do think there's ridership to support such a service

Way I would do it is basically all stops south of Sip Avenue along JFK Boulevard, then express to/from Manhattan (no JSQ). That could mean take Tonnelle Avenue to NJ-495 between New York and Jersey City.

Given that they already have short-turns to/from JFK Boulevard & 61st Street that shouldn't be too much of an issue (especially since inbound buses are pick-up only). Perhaps it can start off as a weekday rush hour type of thing, and then expand as necessary.

Edited April 24 by BM5 via Woodhaven

[checkmatechamp13]

@B35 via Church What are your thoughts on extending your proposed Hamilton Park #123 branch to Newport Mall (and running the resultant branch full-time)? And then turn the #86 into an Exchange Place - Union City route. 

@BM5 via Woodhaven Yeah I would definitely agree with testing out a #119X (with the way you have it set up, it could also potentially take the Holland Tunnel if there were issues at the Lincoln Tunnel).

[Lawrence St]

4 hours ago, B35 via Church said:

I'd kill two birds with 1 stone here, because I never cared for the #126 running past Hoboken to serve that pocket of Jersey City at/around Hamilton Park....

I forgot that service pattern even existed, good lord. NJT needs to stop with having thousands of variations for a route. Especially since that Hamilton Park branch is barely used and could instead be served by the 123.

[biGC323232]

7 hours ago, BM5 via Woodhaven said:

Speaking of X trips, I really do think they should try their hand with a 119X. That trip down to Bayonne can be brutal even outside the rush hour, I can only imagine how much worse it gets during rush hours. Plus I do think there's ridership to support such a service

Way I would do it is basically all stops south of Sip Avenue along JFK Boulevard, then express to/from Manhattan (no JSQ). That could mean take Tonnelle Avenue to NJ-495 between New York and Jersey City.

Given that they already have short-turns to/from JFK Boulevard & 61st Street that shouldn't be too much of an issue (especially since inbound buses are pick-up only). Perhaps it can start off as a weekday rush hour type of thing, and then expand as necessary.

Thats basicly why i said in the post above about sending the 123 to jsq if the JSQ term requires two njt services to PABT and have the 119 skip it cause of what you mention....Only reason the 123 got extended  to the hospital was because they took the 119 off of palisades..Back in the day when it ran as the 99S under drogin It had a couple of peak express buses cause of the ridership....By the time some buses reached duncan ave not even jsq its packed and none of the 99S stopped at the terminal either....Those few peak ran all the way down JFK to 32st skipping everything on palisades to the tunnel and  vice versa

[BreeddekalbL]

On that topic i could see extending the 123 to hamilton park because as @Lawrence St says we need to cut down on the many variants of the 126  maybe we can extend the 123 there would there be any loss with no nyc bus traveling through the newport complex?

[Gotham Bus Co]

On 3/5/2023 at 7:47 PM, B35 via Church said:

Yeah, the #178 & the #182 are the GWB-Hackensack routes... 182 is more direct, while the 178 diverts up to serve Teaneck & Englewood... They even interline w/ each other.

 

I would renumber the GWB routes into the 270-280 series. That would free up the 170's and 180's for variants of the 150-160 or 190 series routes.

[BreeddekalbL]

On 4/30/2024 at 9:11 AM, Gotham Bus Co said:

 

I would renumber the GWB routes into the 270-280 series. That would free up the 170's and 180's for variants of the 150-160 or 190 series routes.

That is a great idea 

[B35 via Church]

On 4/24/2024 at 12:28 AM, BM5 via Woodhaven said:

Speaking of X trips, I really do think they should try their hand with a 119X. That trip down to Bayonne can be brutal even outside the rush hour, I can only imagine how much worse it gets during rush hours. Plus I do think there's ridership to support such a service

Way I would do it is basically all stops south of Sip Avenue along JFK Boulevard, then express to/from Manhattan (no JSQ). That could mean take Tonnelle Avenue to NJ-495 between New York and Jersey City.

Given that they already have short-turns to/from JFK Boulevard & 61st Street that shouldn't be too much of an issue (especially since inbound buses are pick-up only). Perhaps it can start off as a weekday rush hour type of thing, and then expand as necessary.

On 4/24/2024 at 12:59 AM, checkmatechamp13 said:

@BM5 via Woodhaven Yeah I would definitely agree with testing out a #119X (with the way you have it set up, it could also potentially take the Holland Tunnel if there were issues at the Lincoln Tunnel).

I'd just have it run the current routing to/from PABT, but have it running nonstop from/to JSQ (meaning, serving it).... I'd say the worst thing you could do for such a route is having it take Tonnelle to 495; I can't advocate for anything having to put up with the Tonnelle Circle....

Regardless, while I don't so much mind the concept of a #119X, I'm simply not on board with this having #119's bypass JSQ bit.... This construction that's having buses currently bypassing JSQ for most of the day, should be just a temporary measure & not a permanent one...

On 4/24/2024 at 3:17 AM, Lawrence St said:

I forgot that service pattern even existed, good lord. NJT needs to stop with having thousands of variations for a route. Especially since that Hamilton Park branch is barely used and could instead be served by the 123.

Quite honestly, I don't have a problem with the #126 running on either [Washington] or [Willow/Clinton]... The thing AFAIC is, that they run whatever number of #126 trips to Hamilton Park during the PM hours, as to not overburden Hoboken Terminal... During the AM rush, it's less of a problem because there's less trips starting at Hoboken Terminal; there's inbound trips that run from Hamilton Park, Clinton/1st, and Clinton/5th (I believe that other short turn starting point is)... What I'm ultimately getting at is, too many of the PM/outbound Willow/Clinton trips run to Hoboken Terminal.... Obviously not all of them, but I would have a sizable number of those PM Willow/Clinton trips stopping dead at Observer Hwy (and none of them running to Hamilton Park)...

To sum it up, I don't think #126's should be running past Hoboken in any capacity... The #123 isn't nearly as busy as the #126 in general, so that would be the route I would have serving the immediate area around Hamilton Park during peak times (again, at a lesser clip than they of which they have #126's serving it)... Which just about perfectly segues into...

On 4/24/2024 at 12:59 AM, checkmatechamp13 said:

@B35 via Church What are your thoughts on extending your proposed Hamilton Park #123 branch to Newport Mall (and running the resultant branch full-time)? And then turn the #86 into an Exchange Place - Union City route.

There's a reason why I said "I can side with the general idea of running the #123 to Exchange Place"....

- Not sure if I ever said it on the forum, but one of my ideas for the #123 was/is to run it to Newport Centre.... If I had to choose one of the immediate areas over the other, I'd much rather run it to the mall full time, over that of to Exchange Pl. from PABT... As for Hamilton Park, that would only be additional peak hour service (extracted from the current #126)... Maybe about 6-8 total peak trips max (3-4 peak AM + 3-4 peak PM); not nearly as much total trips to/from Hamilton Park like that of the current #126... Ultimate point being, I wouldn't run a service to Newport Centre via Hamilton Park; don't see it as necessary (full time service to/from Hamilton Park is grossly excessive), not to mention that would be a waste-of-a-time loop/backtrack.....

- I wouldn't use an extended #123 to further erode the #86....

• I say erode because generally speaking, from Union City (north or south of 495), I'd say there's more demand for Newport Centre than Exchange Place throughout more of the day.... So if you have all #86's running to Exchange Place, it'd be less useful IMO... At that point, you may as well eliminate the #86 & use some of its resources to increase #84 service (which I think should happen regardless), among other things...
• I say further because the route was once (more of) a variant of the #84 - which runs to Nungessers.... With the advent of the HBLR, they scaled the #86 back to Bergenline av. HBLR....

If the idea is to have a Union City - Exchange Pl. route, I'd just do away with the #86 altogether & expand the span of & extend the #82 route to Bergenline av HBLR.... From said HBLR station, it'd go JFK - Paterson Plank - Summit - current route to Exchange Place... Outside of bypassing JSQ, one reason the #82 even exists is to supply *some* level of direct service to Exchange Pl. from areas well west of Palisade....

[B35 via Church]

On 4/30/2024 at 9:11 AM, Gotham Bus Co said:

I would renumber the GWB routes into the 270-280 series. That would free up the 170's and 180's for variants of the 150-160 or 190 series routes.

Not that I'm all that wild about route renumberings, but FWIW just to entertain the conversation, I'd use the 200's for express variants of NNJ routes....

e/g. the #151 would become the 261, the #190X would become the 290, the #148 becomes the 248, the #177 to become the 267, etc..... With routes that have multiple express variants (like the #165), the current suffixes would just be appended to the corresponding 2xx route number... So the #165p would be the 265p, the #165rf would be the 265rf, and so on & so forth....

[dkm07302]

On 5/4/2024 at 8:28 AM, B35 via Church said:

Regardless, while I don't so much mind the concept of a #119X, I'm simply not on board with this having #119's bypass JSQ bit.... This construction that's having buses currently bypassing JSQ for most of the day, should be just a temporary measure & not a permanent one...

 

Agree. When I'm in the square waiting for the #87 to Hoboken, I can see people frustrated that the 119 hasn't shown up yet. I can get the construction thing but to have it bypass instead of letting at the very least one bus an hour enter is beyond me. 

Edited May 6 by dkm07302