RTOMan Posted March 20, 2013 Share #1101 Posted March 20, 2013 I could be wrong, but 207th can't maintain the A1s, right? I'm pretty sure East New York can work with the 32s, but if the 160s were put on the C, the cars would have to be brought back and forth in order to be serviced. 207 Barn cant maintain them correct... 3 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
R32 3838 Posted March 20, 2013 Share #1102 Posted March 20, 2013 (edited) one day along the line ENY is gonna need 2-3 R32's, those R42's need work, and this summer the R42's are going to be running wild on the (J)/(Z) due to the R160A-1 SMS, and yea 207th st can't maintain the R160's, but 207th should be upgraded so they would be ready for the R179 order, the only thing i hate about the summer swaps is that they take R46's from jamaica to keep up with their service Edited March 20, 2013 by R32 3838 0 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
R62AR33 Posted March 20, 2013 Share #1103 Posted March 20, 2013 (edited) one day along the line ENY is gonna need 2-3 R32's, those R42's need work, and this summer the R42's are going to be running wild on the (J)/(Z) due to the R160A-1 SMS, and yea 207th st can't maintain the R160's, but 207th should be upgraded so they would be ready for the R179 order, the only thing i hate about the summer swaps is that they take R46's from jamaica to keep up with their service Even though its great that the R42s will be running alot this summer on the and Don't you think its better and smarter if 207st send 5 sets of R32s to eny yard and in exchange the R42s get swapped to the so that way the R42s aren't exposed to the outside anymore and on top of that R32s can run better and more times than the R42s. Edited March 20, 2013 by R62AR33 0 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Grand Concourse Posted March 20, 2013 Share #1104 Posted March 20, 2013 Again, those r42s are going to have to stop at the 10 car marker and you will have ppl pissed to have to run for that extra car length. Plus aren't there supposed to be enough spare r32s that the C can afford to lend some without needing to take on the R42s? 0 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
R32 3838 Posted March 20, 2013 Share #1105 Posted March 20, 2013 Even though its great that the R42s will be running alot this summer on the and Don't you think its better and smarter if 207st send 5 sets of R32s to eny yard and in exchange the R42s get swapped to the so that way the R42s aren't exposed to the outside anymore and on top of that R32s can run better and more times than the R42s. the R42's aren't good for the , the C/R boards are off since theres no C/R controls in the A cab 0 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Snowblock Posted March 20, 2013 Share #1106 Posted March 20, 2013 The R42's won't run on the ever again. They caused too many problems for the crews and customers when they did last year. They won't be going anywhere except the until they are retired for good. ....and with luck, I'll make it through my entire TA career without ever operating an R42 in customer service! 3 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
mtattrain Posted March 20, 2013 Share #1107 Posted March 20, 2013 ....and with luck, I'll make it through my entire TA career without ever operating an R42 in customer service! Nice luck there. 0 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
NYtransit Posted March 21, 2013 Share #1108 Posted March 21, 2013 The R42's won't run on the ever again. They caused too many problems for the crews and customers when they did last year. They won't be going anywhere except the until they are retired for good. ....and with luck, I'll make it through my entire TA career without ever operating an R42 in customer service! What about the ? 0 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Grand Concourse Posted March 21, 2013 Share #1109 Posted March 21, 2013 (edited) There's nothing wrong with the r46 and there's nothing coming up regarding them (SMS etc). Ie the A has nothing to trade since it should be 100% r46. Edited March 21, 2013 by Grand Concourse 0 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
R62AR33 Posted March 22, 2013 Share #1110 Posted March 22, 2013 The R42's won't run on the ever again. They caused too many problems for the crews and customers when they did last year. They won't be going anywhere except the until they are retired for good. ....and with luck, I'll make it through my entire TA career without ever operating an R42 in customer service! Oh alright thnx I see now. 0 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
VIP Posted April 1, 2013 Share #1111 Posted April 1, 2013 (edited) yeah it makes sense to swap the 8-car R160A-1s with R32's since 207 CAN mantain them, and ENY CAN maintain R32's...The / route is 90% outdoors. I dont know, Why The F*** R32's end up on the ...a very busy, demanding, and LONG line. as for the 's cars... the TA should just keep (23 trainsets) stored or laid up at FreshPond and Jamaica. Disclaimer; the can just be assigned those 50 R42's Edited April 1, 2013 by VIP 1 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
RollOver Posted April 1, 2013 Share #1112 Posted April 1, 2013 (edited) yeah it makes sense to swap the 8-car R160A-1s with R32's since 207 CAN mantain them, and ENY CAN maintain R32's...The / route is 90% outdoors. I dont know, Why The F*** R32's end up on the ...a very busy, demanding, and LONG line. as for the 's cars... the TA should just keep (23 trainsets) stored or laid up at FreshPond and Jamaica. Disclaimer; the can just be assigned those 50 R42's What the hell are you talking about? RTOMan said that 207th can't maintain the 160s. The reason why the is the easiest because the IND Eighth Avenue Line has a connection to the 207th depot from Dyckman. Even if the 160s do end up on the , they have to be sent back and forth for barns who are capable of maintaining them as said many times before. 207th right now can only maintain the 32s. Had them do such a swap then 207th is gonna have to learn a type of car that's new to them and East New York is gonna have three trains, including the 32s. It's going to raise maintaince costs so it won't happen. The R32 / R46 summer swap is simple enough since both are stored/maintain at 207th/Pitkin. And whenever 1 or 2 trains of 42s go for the Fulton/8th Avenue lines, they are stored at either 207th or Pitkin barn as they are just the minority of the fleet. EDIT: Even if the 32s are beaten harder on the , they can still hold up longer like the 46s and any other car type assigned to that route. Edited April 1, 2013 by RollOverMyHead 4 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
bstar1 Posted April 8, 2013 Share #1113 Posted April 8, 2013 What is the main reason for A/C swap equipment every year, and how long have they been doing this? 0 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
TripleRTO Posted April 8, 2013 Share #1114 Posted April 8, 2013 What is the main reason for A/C swap equipment every year, and how long have they been doing this? The is a fully underground route so the A/c's have to work hard to push out air while dealing with the heat from the tunnels and the stations. The isn't fully underground so the natural breeze from the outside helps to maintain a stable climate and it's express so you won't lose air from constantly opening the doors. Its a dumb idea to me because the is much longer than the which means the trains get beat to death more and since it's a full time line there's less time for the trains to be maintained by their respective barns which leads to more problems... What is the main reason for A/C swap equipment every year, and how long have they been doing this? & i'm not to sure how long the T/A has been doing this but it's about time the 32's get retired they served their purpose and it's about time Fulton/ Nostrand gets some new trains instead of these lemon hand me downs... 0 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
R62AR33 Posted April 8, 2013 Share #1115 Posted April 8, 2013 (edited) The is a fully underground route so the A/c's have to work hard to push out air while dealing with the heat from the tunnels and the stations. The isn't fully underground so the natural breeze from the outside helps to maintain a stable climate and it's express so you won't lose air from constantly opening the doors. Its a dumb idea to me because the is much longer than the which means the trains get beat to death more and since it's a full time line there's less time for the trains to be maintained by their respective barns which leads to more problems... & i'm not to sure how long the T/A has been doing this but it's about time the 32's get retired they served their purpose and it's about time Fulton/ Nostrand gets some new trains instead of these lemon hand me downs... Well the R32s can't get retired yet they may have served their purpose but you must wait until the R179s are built,tested and accepted for revenue service and knowing the when it comes to retiring cars they are late by at least 2yrs. The R179 order is late as is they may have awarded the contract but there is no design yet for it so you can add another year or 2 to the retirement so i wouldnt expect the R32s to be gone by 2017 but at least year later than that. For some reason the and get the hand me down i assume is cause the cars when retiring get sent to the to get beaten down then they are sent to the and the will finish the job since its the longest line the B division. Edited April 8, 2013 by R62AR33 0 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
RollOver Posted April 9, 2013 Share #1116 Posted April 9, 2013 "Lemon" hand me downs? Tell that to the 38/40/42/44 which were retired before the 32s. 0 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Dan05979 Posted April 9, 2013 Share #1117 Posted April 9, 2013 The is a fully underground route so the A/c's have to work hard to push out air while dealing with the heat from the tunnels and the stations. The isn't fully underground so the natural breeze from the outside helps to maintain a stable climate and it's express so you won't lose air from constantly opening the doors. Its a dumb idea to me because the is much longer than the which means the trains get beat to death more and since it's a full time line there's less time for the trains to be maintained by their respective barns which leads to more problems... & i'm not to sure how long the T/A has been doing this but it's about time the 32's get retired they served their purpose and it's about time Fulton/ Nostrand gets some new trains instead of these lemon hand me downs... Its a bunch of bullshit. I know the real reason why they do this swap. I've operated plenty of 32's in the summer on the that were hot as hell out doors and then get cooler when underground. And hot cars that the crew have to be in don't get fixed, they get "buried" If you work down here you know what I mean. 0 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Fresh Pond Posted April 9, 2013 Share #1118 Posted April 9, 2013 "Lemon" hand me downs? Tell that to the 38/40/42/44 which were retired before the 32s. Built by a different company with their own sets of problems...apples to oranges... Its a bunch of bullshit. I know the real reason why they do this swap. I've operated plenty of 32's in the summer on the that were hot as hell out doors and then get cooler when underground. And hot cars that the crew have to be in don't get fixed, they get "buried" If you work down here you know what I mean. I know what you mean (and it be the car i need to be in), does that mean i work down there lol 0 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
RollOver Posted April 9, 2013 Share #1119 Posted April 9, 2013 What is the main reason for A/C swap equipment every year, and how long have they been doing this? They've been doing the car summer swap, both last year and the year before. 0 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
mtattrain Posted April 9, 2013 Share #1120 Posted April 9, 2013 ^^^ And to add on, due to the R32s traveling underground all the time, where the air can become stiff in hot periods (yes yes machines need a little breeze too). 1 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
TripleRTO Posted April 9, 2013 Share #1121 Posted April 9, 2013 "Lemon" hand me downs? Tell that to the 38/40/42/44 which were retired before the 32s. They all had their problems & they were lemons 2 0 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
TripleRTO Posted April 9, 2013 Share #1122 Posted April 9, 2013 Well the R32s can't get retired yet they may have served their purpose but you must wait until the R179s are built,tested and accepted for revenue service and knowing the when it comes to retiring cars they are late by at least 2yrs. The R179 order is late as is they may have awarded the contract but there is no design yet for it so you can add another year or 2 to the retirement so i wouldnt expect the R32s to be gone by 2017 but at least year later than that. For some reason the and get the hand me down i assume is cause the cars when retiring get sent to the to get beaten down then they are sent to the and the will finish the job since its the longest line the B division. I know we have to wait until the r179's come in i'm just saying these trains need to go asap @ Dan05979 I did state a reason why these swaps happen it's not all "Bullshit" the a/cs don't work that great on a fully underground route so you put them on a route that's not fully underground, the same reason why (a fully under ground route) riders were complaining about the r32's and the 42s in the summer it's not hard to comprehend... 0 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Threxx Posted April 9, 2013 Share #1123 Posted April 9, 2013 They all had their problems & they were lemons 2 Every fleet has its problems... what's your point here? 3 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
ttcsubwayfan Posted April 9, 2013 Share #1124 Posted April 9, 2013 They all had their problems & they were lemons 2 There's a difference between being a lemon and being unreliable due to age. Various texts on the New York subway say that the R32s were very good in their day - fast, reliable and lighter on the rails then their contemporaries such as the R30s - the reason they're worse now is because they are old. One day the R160s will be old too, and then they will no longer be celebrated either. A lemon, meanwhile, is something that was sh!t from the get go - such as the R44, or the R46 (the latter of which no longer is.) 3 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Orion VII 4 Life Posted April 9, 2013 Share #1125 Posted April 9, 2013 (edited) Summer's coming early it looks like, wonder if the swap will come by early too. I mean it's 80 f**king degrees out in April! Can't remember if it was like that the past 2 years... Edited April 9, 2013 by Orion VII 4 Life 2 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
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