ttcsubwayfan Posted February 14, 2013 Share #1026 Posted February 14, 2013 Have you seen the rust on the R42's, they look like they will die before the R179's come. It's not like they are used that often outside of rush hour anyway. From what I heard, they're all assigned to the , except for one train, which is sometimes used on weekends. 0 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
4P3607 Posted February 14, 2013 Share #1027 Posted February 14, 2013 Off topic, but does anyone know what happened to R32s 3370-3371, 3630-3631, 3786-3787 and 3836-3837? I heard rumors that they were returning to service. I heard 3370-3371 slipped back into service on the after it was SMSed, There is another pair that is also out for SMS, as of now the other 2 pairs are on different tracks in ENY. R323838 posted this a while ago, I forgot the other set number.... 0 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Quill Depot Posted February 14, 2013 Share #1028 Posted February 14, 2013 It's not like they are used that often outside of rush hour anyway. From what I heard, they're all assigned to the , except for one train, which is sometimes used on weekends. R42's should be sent to Jamaica and run on the or , which are completely underground. Some R160's from Jamaica would then go to ENY and run on the . 0 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
ttcsubwayfan Posted February 14, 2013 Share #1029 Posted February 14, 2013 R42's should be sent to Jamaica and run on the or , which are completely underground. Some R160's from Jamaica would then go to ENY and run on the . On a demanding line like the they'd be worn down even faster. And does Jamaica even have 4-car R160 sets? 3 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
RollOver Posted February 14, 2013 Share #1030 Posted February 14, 2013 To me, I wouldn't mind seeing the full length of 60 footers the day the finally makes that decision. It will be enjoyable for me, none of the less. 0 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
RollOver Posted February 15, 2013 Share #1031 Posted February 15, 2013 @ttcsubwayfan The R42s also run on the from my recent perspective after my RFW on the entirety of it. Since the runs 6 trains, I believe it is half R42 and R160 and the rest of the R42 on the . 0 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Joe C Posted February 15, 2013 Share #1032 Posted February 15, 2013 On a demanding line like the they'd be worn down even faster. And does Jamaica even have 4-car R160 sets? Jamaica does not have 4 car R160 sets. 1 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Art Vandelay Posted February 15, 2013 Share #1033 Posted February 15, 2013 Those numbers dont lie indeed. But DOS sees the C not needing full length sets. And I agree. Some may say "everytime i see the C during rush, Its packed". My question to them would be "Do you see every car crowded?" Because in all the years, ive never seen it consistently enough to warrant 10-car trains. Why constantly wear out the motors, brakes and doors of 10 cars each set when b is good enough. Thats where the logistics make sense. Penny-pinching, as it could be described, may help reduce fare-hikes. Something we all(well, not me anymore) complain about. I love how heads use the argument of the Summer Swaps as a reason to make the C full length but all it shows is those forgetting WHY those swaps happened in the first place. I am sorry- I was being unclear- What I meant was: the numbers work out for the R32 replacing the R42 at ENY if such a need should arise. There are enough R32s for that. It makes no sense whatsoever to extend the R32 to full length just to shorten it again sometime in the next 5 years. 1 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
R32 3838 Posted February 15, 2013 Share #1034 Posted February 15, 2013 R42's should be sent to Jamaica and run on the or , which are completely underground. Some R160's from Jamaica would then go to ENY and run on the . HELL NO im glad the R42s are gone from jamaica, they were horrible I am sorry- I was being unclear- What I meant was: the numbers work out for the R32 replacing the R42 at ENY if such a need should arise. There are enough R32s for that. It makes no sense whatsoever to extend the R32 to full length just to shorten it again sometime in the next 5 years. thats what ive been saying for the longest 0 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Grand Concourse Posted February 15, 2013 Share #1035 Posted February 15, 2013 (edited) R42's should be sent to Jamaica and run on the or , which are completely underground. Some R160's from Jamaica would then go to ENY and run on the . That plan makes no sense and what will you do with the left over 2 cars per train? The r160s at jyd are 10 car trains. I also believe the new M requires slightly more trains than the old M. Edited February 15, 2013 by Grand Concourse 1 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
RollOver Posted February 15, 2013 Share #1036 Posted February 15, 2013 That plan makes no sense and what will you do with the left over 2 cars per train? The r160s at jyd are 10 car trains. I also believe the new M requires slightly more trains than the old M. Yeah, the old brown M used to ran about 17-18 trains. The new orange runs 23 trains. 0 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
RollOver Posted February 15, 2013 Share #1037 Posted February 15, 2013 (edited) I am sorry- I was being unclear- What I meant was: the numbers work out for the R32 replacing the R42 at ENY if such a need should arise. There are enough R32s for that. It makes no sense whatsoever to extend the R32 to full length just to shorten it again sometime in the next 5 years. But if they had not scrapped those 18 R32s (10 for work and 8 being unactive at Fresh Pond then East New York), there would have been 240 R32s in service instead of 222. And there would have been enough cars to make the full length, leaving 60 R32s as spares and there wouldn't be any problem of keeping those 48 R42s at East New York obviously because the didn't have enough money for more R160s to make the exclusively of those like the . And most of the R179 fleet would have been in 5-car sets and some in 4-car sets. Believe me, I'm not saying that the HAS to be full length due to the R32/42/46 summer swap... Edited February 15, 2013 by RollOverMyHead 0 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
mtattrain Posted February 15, 2013 Share #1038 Posted February 15, 2013 (edited) But if they had not scrapped those 18 R32s (10 for work and 8 being unactive at Fresh Pond then East New York) I do remember rumors of the 8 inactive R32s being prepped for service again, and some of them are even back. But yeah, I do wonder why the 10 work cars were restricted to such service... Edited February 15, 2013 by mtattrain 0 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
ttcsubwayfan Posted February 15, 2013 Share #1039 Posted February 15, 2013 Say what you will about what sources are reliable and such, but the numbers behind this post work out. I don't see why people have such an issue with this... HELL NO im glad the R42s are gone from jamaica, they were horrible thats what ive been saying for the longest Read this: And to the issues of the R42s, current literature has them as being replaced by the R179s, regardless of the current deplorable conditions of the cars or any unconfirmed information we've herd. That plan makes no sense and what will you do with the left over 2 cars per train? The r160s at jyd are 10 car trains. I also believe the new M requires slightly more trains than the old M. There'd be more than 2 left over cars, due to the 4-car sets. I don't think the Eastern division platforms can even handle 10 car trains 0 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Far Rock Depot Posted February 15, 2013 Share #1040 Posted February 15, 2013 Correct. the eastern can only platform 8 cars. 1 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Grand Concourse Posted February 15, 2013 Share #1041 Posted February 15, 2013 (edited) Read this: There'd be more than 2 left over cars, due to the 4-car sets. I don't think the Eastern division platforms can even handle 10 car trains 2 cars per train* And I think the max they can handle would be 9 car trains, but of course it would be a hassle dealing with a mix of 4 and 5 car sets. Thus 8 or 10 60' car trains only. Edited February 15, 2013 by Grand Concourse 0 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
R32 3838 Posted February 16, 2013 Share #1042 Posted February 16, 2013 I do remember rumors of the 8 inactive R32s being prepped for service again, and some of them are even back. But yeah, I do wonder why the 10 work cars were restricted to such service... those 10 R32's replaced about 16 Redbird Work Motors from 38th st yard, thats why they are work motors now, but any given chance they CAN return to service if needed 0 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Fan Railer Posted February 17, 2013 Share #1043 Posted February 17, 2013 once the R32 SMS is done, 207th isnt going to need all 222 R32s anymore, they only need a maximum of 180-190 cars since the C requires 144 R32s,and if on the A the same amount for the summer, leaving 30-40 R32s free, if the TA wants to, those 48 oddball R42s can retire at anytime, its all about cutting costs and having one 60 foot SMEE car class instead of 2, the R42s arent being maintained as much, if they were to stay they would need work,simple as that, all of the R32s should be done with SMS by march Has the majority of the fleet really been SMS'd? I can't tell at all which pairs have seen maintenance and which haven't, since they are mostly still dirty as crap... 0 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
GojiMet86 Posted February 17, 2013 Share #1044 Posted February 17, 2013 I saw #3621 and #3644 coupled together. Does that mean anything? 0 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
mtattrain Posted February 17, 2013 Share #1045 Posted February 17, 2013 I saw #3621 and #3644 coupled together. Does that mean anything? Nope. As far as I know, those two cars were like that for a long time. 0 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Art Vandelay Posted February 17, 2013 Share #1046 Posted February 17, 2013 They have been a pair since shortly after GOH. 0 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
ttcsubwayfan Posted February 17, 2013 Share #1047 Posted February 17, 2013 I saw #3621 and #3644 coupled together. Does that mean anything? Many such cars exist. 3891/3520, 3470/3919, 3862/3521 are just a few examples, the R32 page on nycsubway has the full list. Apparently, this was because single cars were taken out of service to be overhauled, based on how poorly they were performing, and if 3891 and 3520 were performing worse than 3890 and 3520 then they'd be taken out of service first, overhauled and mated. Who the hell thought that this was a good idea?! 0 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
mtattrain Posted February 17, 2013 Share #1048 Posted February 17, 2013 those 10 R32's replaced about 16 Redbird Work Motors from 38th st yard, thats why they are work motors now, but any given chance they CAN return to service if needed So these R33/WFs are currently out of service: 8812-8813, 8996-8997, 9000-9001, 9331, 9335, 9336, 9340, 9342, 9344 0 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
R32 3838 Posted February 18, 2013 Share #1049 Posted February 18, 2013 So these R33/WFs are currently out of service: 8812-8813, 8996-8997, 9000-9001, 9331, 9335, 9336, 9340, 9342, 9344 yeah but some of those WF cars have been brought back to service and they are at 207th st yard 0 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Fresh Pond Posted February 18, 2013 Share #1050 Posted February 18, 2013 Many such cars exist. 3891/3520, 3470/3919, 3862/3521 are just a few examples, the R32 page on nycsubway has the full list. Apparently, this was because single cars were taken out of service to be overhauled, based on how poorly they were performing, and if 3891 and 3520 were performing worse than 3890 and 3520 then they'd be taken out of service first, overhauled and mated. Who the hell thought that this was a good idea?! That was the case for pretty much all if them except one car 0 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
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