FLX9304 Posted January 23 Share #7001 Posted January 23 3 hours ago, LTA1992 said: Y'all just makin shit up. HOW is it a setback for it to run on the (C)? The goal is to TEST it to see how it works in the system. Capacity (which is built in, btw) is irrelevant. It has to WORK before all else (which I don't see why it won't). You know these peeps that they wanna run it on a busy line. Let’s start with the first and see how it works with applied restrictions. Remember: it’s not up to these communities & politicians on about where the cars go. That’s the DOS/RTO’s call. 2 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
IAlam Posted January 23 Share #7002 Posted January 23 18 hours ago, subwaycommuter1983 said: Let's not get excited. The fact that the open gangway trains are only going to run on a subway line that doesn't have high ridership is a huge setback and defeats the purpose of having open gangway trains. It is also an indication that moving forward the MTA will only stick to purchasing standard trains. 4 hours ago, LTA1992 said: Y'all just makin shit up. HOW is it a setback for it to run on the (C)? The goal is to TEST it to see how it works in the system. Capacity (which is built in, btw) is irrelevant. It has to WORK before all else (which I don't see why it won't). 1 hour ago, FLX9304 said: You know these peeps that they wanna run it on a busy line. Let’s start with the first and see how it works with applied restrictions. Remember: it’s not up to these communities & politicians on about where the cars go. That’s the DOS/RTO’s call. The R211T's are basically a modern-day version of the R110's. It's meant to test the technology before the MTA decides if they want a full order. The fact that there are 2 versions of the concept clearly indicates that these aren't meant to be production cars. The fact that these issues like the smoke detectors are prevalent shows that even if the MTA wants to order these trains for their increased capacity a final version will most likely have more changes. Once you start seeing production cars then there's a good chance they'll get assigned to routes that need them. Testing new technology on less busy lines like the makes sense because you have a controlled environment. 8 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Ale188 Posted January 23 Share #7003 Posted January 23 1 minute ago, IAlam said: The R211T's are basically a modern-day version of the R110's. It's meant to test the technology before the MTA decides if they want a full order. The fact that there are 2 versions of the concept clearly indicates that these aren't meant to be production cars. The fact that these issues like the smoke detectors are prevalent shows that even if the MTA wants to order these trains for their increased capacity a final version will most likely have more changes. Once you start seeing production cars then there's a good chance they'll get assigned to routes that need them. Testing new technology on less busy lines like the makes sense because you have a controlled environment. But no, everyone wants the Ts to go on the , maybe even the , I'm pretty sure the open gangways are meant for walking through so you can get some space, not everyone's last resort on a crowded train, ykwim? I agree with this statement, but most people just don't understand that they have to be...tested. They can't just be thrown on a crowded line immediately, they can get tested on not-so-crowded lines...first. There's a bunch of teenaged foamers who can't agree with this, but it's mostly reality. This isn't targeted to you, but I'm just sayin. Everyone needs to at least deal with it. 'bUt WhEn ArE tHeY gOiNg oN tHe A?!? ThE d?!? ThE F?!? tHe N?!? Wait. This statement is everything but wrong. 2 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
R32 3838 Posted January 23 Share #7004 Posted January 23 Them deliveries are about to slap because there are a large chunk of cars at Nebraska already fully built ready to be delivered so expect to see more frequent deliveries. Regarding the r211T's, As much as it's questionable on putting them on the and the the other issues that restrict these cars, It's better than nothing and once they fix all of the issues and whatnot, You'll either see these cars on other IND lines or the Rockaway Park shuttle. 0 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
MJHmarc Posted January 24 Share #7005 Posted January 24 8 hours ago, Ale188 said: I'm happy but also concerned. What happened with 4075-94? Don't they still got flats? I thought they were going to resume after every car is fixed. 4079-4075+4109-4105 has been reported re-entered service 0 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
SubBus Posted January 24 Share #7006 Posted January 24 There was up to 6 sets of R211A's on the yesterday. Currently three sets are running around on the midnight... No sight of the R211Ts as of now.... 0 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
SubBus Posted January 24 Share #7007 Posted January 24 21 hours ago, Kamen Rider said: Okay, let's look at this from a standpoint of basic logic, 1: they are still based out of Pitkin, as that is the barn with the parts and experience to care for them, and where more testing can be done as needed. 2: Something is preventing them from running express, that smoke detector thing does make a lot of sense, but since I have not spoken to anyone in the know about it yet, I can't get confirmation about it. If they can't run express, and you want them to still be based at Pitkin... What else is there to do but put them on the C? this also means they can be returned to the yard at night no matter what, no screwing around with the departures to ensure they're both laid up. The "smoke detector" or lack thereof is pretty much the reason why the R211Ts cannot operate on CPW and Fulton St Express in passenger service.... 0 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Kamen Rider Posted January 24 Share #7008 Posted January 24 I'm saying would prefer that in ether in writing from upper management or verbally from more than one supervisor. 4 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
FLX9304 Posted January 24 Share #7009 Posted January 24 3 hours ago, MJHmarc said: 4079-4075+4109-4105 has been reported re-entered service Great 0 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
darkstar8983 Posted January 24 Share #7010 Posted January 24 (edited) 8 hours ago, SubBus said: The "smoke detector" or lack thereof is pretty much the reason why the R211Ts cannot operate on CPW and Fulton St Express in passenger service.... oh, so its because there's a huge space between stations (time-wise), which would explain why 8 Av Express was okay (Canal St to 59 St-Columbus Circle), since between two express stations, there is only one local station and the time distance is okay. Also Central Park West between 125 St and 168 St is okay. Edited January 24 by darkstar8983 0 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
FLX9304 Posted January 24 Share #7011 Posted January 24 2 hours ago, darkstar8983 said: oh, so its because there's a huge space between stations (time-wise), which would explain why 8 Av Express was okay (Canal St to 59 St-Columbus Circle), since between two express stations, there is only one local station and the time distance is okay. Also Central Park West between 125 St and 168 St is okay. You don’t get the point. No express service on the R211T. If the R211T does operate express, it will without passengers. So it’s no use for that. 2 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Kamen Rider Posted January 24 Share #7012 Posted January 24 50 minutes ago, FLX9304 said: You don’t get the point. No express service on the R211T. If the R211T does operate express, it will without passengers. So it’s no use for that. no, darkstar is right. I'm looking at the bulletin right now and it says just those two sections it is not allowed to be express. Euclid to Hoyt and 59 to 125. 2 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
R179 8258 Posted January 24 Share #7013 Posted January 24 1 hour ago, Kamen Rider said: no, darkstar is right. I'm looking at the bulletin right now and it says just those two sections it is not allowed to be express. Euclid to Hoyt and 59 to 125. So it’s for safety reason’s why there T’s aren’t fully express if you really think about it. Open gateway between 59-125th a lot of things can happened and people are stuck if a dangerous situation were to happen 0 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
SubBus Posted January 24 Share #7014 Posted January 24 13 hours ago, Kamen Rider said: I'm saying would prefer that in ether in writing from upper management or verbally from more than one supervisor. As you should, I don't blame you one bit...😉 0 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
CyclonicTrainLookout Posted January 24 Share #7015 Posted January 24 If the issue with the R211T not operating on express sections is due to high speeds or the time between stations, what about the tunnel section in and out of Manhattan, i.e. the Cranberry Tunnel? Is the tunnel not of concern if this entire dilemma is in fact true? 0 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Transit Fans Posted January 25 Share #7016 Posted January 25 21 hours ago, MJHmarc said: 4079-4075+4109-4105 has been reported re-entered service Wait so they remove 4095-4099 that was attached to 4105-4109. Did this happen because they want to attached 4090-4094 when it enters service with 4095-4099 has a whole set. 0 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
MJHmarc Posted January 25 Share #7017 Posted January 25 28 minutes ago, Transit Fans said: Wait so they remove 4095-4099 that was attached to 4105-4109. Did this happen because they want to attached 4090-4094 when it enters service with 4095-4099 has a whole set. Yards are always mixing sets. new and old 0 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Vulturious Posted January 25 Share #7018 Posted January 25 https://gothamist.com/news/mtas-fancy-new-open-gangway-subway-trains-cant-run-on-express-tracks-per-memo And now the news has caught wind of the leaked bulletin. Can't say I should be surprised, it was bound to happen sooner or later. 0 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
FLX9304 Posted January 25 Share #7019 Posted January 25 (edited) 1 hour ago, Vulturious said: https://gothamist.com/news/mtas-fancy-new-open-gangway-subway-trains-cant-run-on-express-tracks-per-memo And now the news has caught wind of the leaked bulletin. Can't say I should be surprised, it was bound to happen sooner or later. So did 2, 4, 5, 7 & 11, 41 & 47 Edited January 25 by FLX9304 0 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
zacster Posted January 25 Share #7020 Posted January 25 12 hours ago, Vulturious said: https://gothamist.com/news/mtas-fancy-new-open-gangway-subway-trains-cant-run-on-express-tracks-per-memo And now the news has caught wind of the leaked bulletin. Can't say I should be surprised, it was bound to happen sooner or later. You don't think a few reporters know to read this board, Subchat, Reddit, etc...? 0 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Comrade96 Posted January 25 Share #7021 Posted January 25 Finally got trained on the R211s this morning, got mixed feelings about em now that ive seen what ive had to see 3 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Ale188 Posted January 25 Share #7022 Posted January 25 23 minutes ago, Comrade96 said: Finally got trained on the R211s this morning, got mixed feelings about em now that ive seen what ive had to see Which set? 0 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
MJHmarc Posted January 25 Share #7023 Posted January 25 42 minutes ago, zacster said: You don't think a few reporters know to read this board, Subchat, Reddit, etc...? “ MTA officials declined to provide further information. But after publication, Gothamist obtained a second memo, also dated Jan. 19, that provided an explanation: The design of the gangway trains “makes it impossible” for train operators to safely perform a required inspection following the activation of the emergency brakes.” 0 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Comrade96 Posted January 25 Share #7024 Posted January 25 43 minutes ago, Ale188 said: Which set? the hard shell gangway and I believe whatever 4125-29 is hooked up to 2 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
FLX9304 Posted January 25 Share #7025 Posted January 25 58 minutes ago, Comrade96 said: the hard shell gangway and I believe whatever 4125-29 is hooked up to Way 2 go! May your training be successful as the lord above wants you to do. Do it with determination and dedication and you’ll be operating on 2 lines depending on what assignment is given to you. 0 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
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