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How Should The (7) Run On Rush Hour

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The Flushing Line currently runs alternating (7) and <7> trains. At the height of rush hour, each service runs 4 minutes apart, or 2 minute headways combined between Queensboro Plaza and Hudson Yards. I don't think there's any way to improve upon it further.

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Actually I'd suggest removing local service from Flushing in the AM, and having all local trains start at Mets and 111th. Although there is no change would not affect the average frequency, it would repair the bunching of express trains where you can have a 7 min gap followed by a 3 min gap. The bunching is mainly caused by local trains. 

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Actually I'd suggest removing local service from Flushing in the AM, and having all local trains start at Mets and 111th. Although there is no change would not affect the average frequency, it would repair the bunching of express trains where you can have a 7 min gap followed by a 3 min gap. The bunching is mainly caused by local trains. 

 

You want express trains from Main Street to be even more crammed?

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Actually I'd suggest removing local service from Flushing in the AM, and having all local trains start at Mets and 111th. Although there is no change would not affect the average frequency, it would repair the bunching of express trains where you can have a 7 min gap followed by a 3 min gap. The bunching is mainly caused by local trains.

 

It will not work. The express will be over crowded, as people will no longer transfer at 74 Street from Main Street. In the AM I experienced more local train gaps rather than express.

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Are they planning to restore the longer express hours once various construction projects are finished? Expresses used to run all day.

The main issue with that is they can't schedule the last westbound express train too close to the first eastbound express train. Time must be allowed for all trains to be off of the express track before eastbound service. Honestly I am not familiar with when the 7 express ran all day, but do you know how they structured the schedule?

 

 

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I doubt they would extend express hours. Midday, they def dont need the service but I could see them making it run earlier, quite a lot of ppl pack onto the locals at around 5:45am and the exp starts at 6:20am.

 

 

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The main issue with that is they can't schedule the last westbound express train too close to the first eastbound express train. Time must be allowed for all trains to be off of the express track before eastbound service. Honestly I am not familiar with when the 7 express ran all day, but do you know how they structured the schedule?

 

 

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That excuse is crap. Look at the 6 schedule. Express service runs all day, and even reverses direction several times during the day. 

 

When the 7 ran express through the day, the last express would leave Flushing somewhere around 11:45 or noon, be off the express track in about 20 min, and allow the first express from TSQ which left around 12:15 or 12:30 onto the express track without conflicting with scheduling.

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Honestly I am not familiar with when the 7 express ran all day, but do you know how they structured the schedule?

 

See for yourself;)

 

The last WB express left Flushing at 12:09PM, got to QBP at 12:24PM, and TSQ at 12:36PM, according to the schedule.

 

The first EB express left TSQ at 12:24PM, got to QBP at 12:36PM, and got to Flushing at 12:51PM, according to the schedule.

 

If they were super-worried about schedule conflicts, they could always have the last WB express turn into the first EB express. So that 12:24PM train would probably be moved 2 trains down to 12:44PM.

 

But basically, it looks like their idea was "Alright, the WB express made it to QBP. Time for the EB express to depart its terminal". 

 

On the (J), the last WB express train arrives at Myrtle Avenue at 12:59PM and arrives at Marcy Avenue at 1:03PM. The first EB express train arrives at Marcy Avenue at 1:28PM and arrives at Myrtle Avenue at 1:32PM.

 

And as was noted, the (6) actually reverses the express train a couple of times over the course of the day.

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Well express service makes all local stations suffer with 10-minute headways instead of the 5 right now. At least the (6) and <6> run every 8 minutes each for a combined 4-minute headways.

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Actually I'd suggest removing local service from Flushing in the AM, and having all local trains start at Mets and 111th. Although there is no change would not affect the average frequency, it would repair the bunching of express trains where you can have a 7 min gap followed by a 3 min gap. The bunching is mainly caused by local trains. 

Not if you understood the commuting patterns… A lot of people use the (7) as a reverse rush service to go to Flushing during AM hours and return from Flushing during PM hours. I get on the Manhattan-bound train at around 5:00~7:00 and the trains are packed going towards Manhattan. The trains are sometimes standing-room-only from Flushing during the PM and gets more packed as it picks up passengers along North Corona and Elmhurst. If the Flushing Line gets extended, it would be fine to terminate the local in the neighborhood (possibly at the next station north—Parsons Boulevard or Murray Hill).

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It really is inefficient how they have to relay to the middle tracks of 111st and get into the reverse cabin and drive the train to main. There are only 1 or 2 trains that start at 111th and I know there is one local train that terminates at Mets and heads back to Manhattan. If they could clear the express tracks from the portal, they could have local and express depart at the same time from Main Street. When did they stop having am express run on the express track from the main st portal?

 

 

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Shouldn't it be a little easier since the (7) was extended to Hudson Yards? I mean of course now it can't have midday express service due to all the track work

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Not if you understood the commuting patterns… A lot of people use the (7) as a reverse rush service to go to Flushing during AM hours and return from Flushing during PM hours. I get on the Manhattan-bound train at around 5:00~7:00 and the trains are packed going towards Manhattan. The trains are sometimes standing-room-only from Flushing during the PM and gets more packed as it picks up passengers along North Corona and Elmhurst. If the Flushing Line gets extended, it would be fine to terminate the local in the neighborhood (possibly at the next station north—Parsons Boulevard or Murray Hill).

From someone who uses the (7) everyday I am familiar with the reverse commuters, but (NOT SAYING I WANT THIS TO HAPPEN) if every other train short turned at either Mets or 111th ie(Flushing, Mets, Flushing, 111, ...) There would still be enough service to Flushing to accommodate those riders. Trains are usually right behind one another too so the wait wouldn't be too long.

 

My main problem with the <7> is if there is supposed to be a 5 min gap between your train and the train in front of yours but there is a local departure between the express departures chances are that train is not going to depart in 5 mins. Usually the train departs in 6-7mins which is enough time to let the train end up with something close to a crush load leaving Flushing. The train behind however, will depart on it's regularly scheduled time 2-3mins behind your train. What ultimately happens is that the your train get to Junction or Woodside and the dwell time is so long that the train behind catches up. Then you have two trains running back to back creating a large 8 min gap between trains. Although it's not as crowded during this time I see it most often during 6:30 AM and 7AM, trains depart in the order of 2,M, and 1 and the train on track M usually catches up with the train on track 2. 

 

Now I saw someone talking about riders wanting to go to 74th St, local trains at Junction usually have seats, because of people transferring to the express. Now yes I will admit eliminating local service at Flushing will hurt riders going to 74th, however, I'd rather have more reliable service more more people over convenient service for a select few. 

 

There is only so long we can wait for CBTC.

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From someone who uses the (7) everyday I am familiar with the reverse commuters, but (NOT SAYING I WANT THIS TO HAPPEN) if every other train short turned at either Mets or 111th ie(Flushing, Mets, Flushing, 111, ...) There would still be enough service to Flushing to accommodate those riders. Trains are usually right behind one another too so the wait wouldn't be too long.

 

This already happens unofficially...

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This already happens unofficially...

But it's irregular and for the ones that are scheduled are scheduled around 6 trains apart.  

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That excuse is crap. Look at the 6 schedule. Express service runs all day, and even reverses direction several times during the day.

Actually,its not really "several times a day". Regular service has s/b express trains till 12:30 then shortly after begins operation northbound after that. Now currently ALL locals and Express trains operate northbound express and southbound Local from Parkchester to Hunts Point between 9-11am while it operates as normal from Hunts Point to 138th/3rd. Why they do that at the moment I'm not sure. I'm sure someone has the answer to that. All other times is to Manhattan AM, from Manhattan PM.

 

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Actually,its not really "several times a day". Regular service has s/b express trains till 12:30 then shortly after begins operation northbound after that. Now currently ALL locals and Express trains operate northbound express and southbound Local from Parkchester to Hunts Point between 9-11am while it operates as normal from Hunts Point to 138th/3rd. Why they do that at the moment I'm not sure. I'm sure someone has the answer to that. All other times is to Manhattan AM, from Manhattan PM.

 

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The reason for this reverse peak express service (and it's done in both a.m. and p.m.) is solely for internal MTA convenience -- it's to get some peak hour trains being taken out of service up to the yard more quickly. Something similar is done on the 4.

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The reason for this reverse peak express service (and it's done in both a.m. and p.m.) is solely for internal MTA convenience -- it's to get some peak hour trains being taken out of service up to the yard more quickly. Something similar is done on the 4.

 

yeah that sounds about right as it's getting close to midday and the midday (6)<6> train requirements are less than 40 trains.

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