RailRunRob Posted October 30, 2017 Share #101 Posted October 30, 2017 2 minutes ago, RR503 said: I’d say design for maximum given market . The LIRR will never order M series cars with R160 bench seating because they will never carry enough passengers to warrant it, and the service they’re providing. Same applies to airlines. Ryanair will pack 737-800s with 189 seats, but Emirates would never think of putting 440 seats on a 77W, given the long-haul market those planes serve. In the case of buses, well, depends on what your route is. High density, high frequency, still crowded, cull seats. Otherwise, keep. Yep.. You have to understand the market your building for and there guidelines. 1 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Deucey Posted October 30, 2017 Share #102 Posted October 30, 2017 3 hours ago, RailRunRob said: Yep.. You have to understand the market your building for and there guidelines. So why maximize subway passenger area by using bench seating while not maximizing it on buses by instituting bench seating (like the Orion V’s were)? Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
RailRunRob Posted October 31, 2017 Share #103 Posted October 31, 2017 48 minutes ago, Deucey said: So why maximize subway passenger area by using bench seating while not maximizing it on buses by instituting bench seating (like the Orion V’s were)? We’re they full benches? Or just in the rear? Fishbowls were the last fully bench style. Not a bad idea but remember some design is based around the bus itself. A lot of new buses have multiple components in different places so in some cases seat is based on that as well. From design and engineering POV. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Deucey Posted October 31, 2017 Share #104 Posted October 31, 2017 34 minutes ago, RailRunRob said: We’re they full benches? Or just in the rear? Fishbowls were the last fully bench style. Not a bad idea but remember some design is based around the bus itself. A lot of new buses have multiple components in different places so in some cases seat is based on that as well. From design and engineering POV. Orion V on SI and the Bx by Pelham Bay were all bench. Don't remember NYCTA Fishbowls, but don’t think I ever saw a GM or Flxible Fishbowl in bench arrangement. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
XBht26 Posted October 31, 2017 Share #105 Posted October 31, 2017 6 hours ago, RailRunRob said: I was looking at some Interiors as I was making my last comments. This isn't my field per say but I'd think for these new generations of buses the base configurations are designed with maximization in mind. And you work your way up from there Suburban configurations, Airports shuttles. The MTA's designs If you really look at them are anchored around versatility, more standing room, (Door to Door) Disability standards, Strollers could fit into that as well. Maximum seating capacity would be 4 seats per row at least door to door. To the MTA's 3 per row on standard buses. I see even the new MCI D45's have more room for Wheelchairs etc. For rail, it really would be based on the parameters of the agency or the system you're building for there needs and guidelines (From my experience doing CAD for Kawasaki) Id take it buses are the same. But I wonder how many options are available for configuration on say a Nova LFA.. good question. Orion VII hybrid OG & NG configuration 1 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
bobtehpanda Posted October 31, 2017 Share #106 Posted October 31, 2017 You also don't necessarily have to go full bench. Most people tend to clump around doors anyways, so you could do bench seating just around the doors. Of course, this only really becomes relevant on routes that have all door boarding. 1 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
RailRunRob Posted October 31, 2017 Share #107 Posted October 31, 2017 1 hour ago, XBht26 said: Orion VII hybrid OG & NG configuration Yep!! Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
RailRunRob Posted October 31, 2017 Share #108 Posted October 31, 2017 (edited) 4 hours ago, Deucey said: Orion V on SI and the Bx by Pelham Bay were all bench. Don't remember NYCTA Fishbowls, but don’t think I ever saw a GM or Flxible Fishbowl in bench arrangement. Yep used to ride them quite a bit growing up I was in Highschool by the time they were phased out what 95/96? Here's what they looked like inside at least the GM's. I guess they're not fully bench huh with the armrests but the seating orientation is there. Edited October 31, 2017 by RailRunRob Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
FamousNYLover Posted November 10, 2017 Share #109 Posted November 10, 2017 I'm also against open folded strollers. Some parents makes excuse that they cannot be folded, but I think all strollers can be folded and they just lazy. Also tourist family with stroller was worst, because they should know every bus company across the world has same policy "All strollers must be folded onboard riding the bus." One time I was on NICE Bus n27 bus near Roslyn Rd, family with stroller boarded the Orion V and hug up entire side seat, making hard for crowd to get around. 1 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
FamousNYLover Posted November 11, 2017 Share #110 Posted November 11, 2017 (edited) On SBS articulated bus routes are the worst. When M15 SBS was 126th St Depot, b/o didn't say anything to "fold strollers." According to this video, many double strollers and triplet strollers can be folded. Edited November 11, 2017 by FamousNYLover Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Blitz Posted November 11, 2017 Share #111 Posted November 11, 2017 (edited) I have 4 kids, the youngest being 3 months old. I feel that if these people have babies and know that they will be using the bus to get around, they should buy strollers that can easily fold with 1 hand. We don't have 1, but I've seen them while shopping for our current stroller. They are moderately priced at $200-$400. Edited November 11, 2017 by Blitz 1 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Via Garibaldi 8 Posted November 11, 2017 Share #112 Posted November 11, 2017 12 hours ago, Blitz said: I have 4 kids, the youngest being 3 months old. I feel that if these people have babies and know that they will be using the bus to get around, they should buy strollers that can easily fold with 1 hand. We don't have 1, but I've seen them while shopping for our current stroller. They are moderately priced at $200-$400. Do you take them on the bus or use a car? Seems like the obvious question to ask since you have little ones. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Fresh Pond Posted November 12, 2017 Share #113 Posted November 12, 2017 17 hours ago, Via Garibaldi 8 said: Do you take them on the bus or use a car? Seems like the obvious question to ask since you have little ones. My oldest son graduated from the stroller and walks full-time (thank god lol), and my youngest one (4 months old) uses a stroller. On the off chance I have to actually have to take him on the bus (normally I drive, if not I strap him to my chest) I fold the stroller a block before the bus shows up. I don't use them big bulky ass strollers as they take up space. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
FamousNYLover Posted November 16, 2017 Share #114 Posted November 16, 2017 (edited) Long time ago, when I was on M10 Bus from Natural History to Columbus Circle, I saw somebody left a stroller! I wonder why some parent forget that most important baby cargo, Stroller on bus? I think that parent might be bad parenting. Most people don't forget stroller at all. Edited November 16, 2017 by FamousNYLover 2 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
BreeddekalbL Posted November 18, 2017 Author Share #115 Posted November 18, 2017 On the topic of toddlers, i have an interesting story from 2 days ago, get on the bus my mom and i sit infront while in the back of the bus you have a family of 3 mom toddler and grandma, and the toddler is very rambunctious screaming at the top of his lungs and it pierces ur ears even though they are in the back, kid keeps ringing the stop request and likes to keep throwing his toy truck on the floor, gets better the family follows mom and i onto the next bus and sit right infront of us!😠 now the kid is even worse to where the mom doesnt give a damn about controlling the rambunctious toddler and the toddler was slapping his mom. The toddler also was playing with his toy truck on the floor of the bus and kept bumping into my knee twice it even gets better the kid was playing with his toy truck on the floor of the bus while it was moving Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
BreeddekalbL Posted November 18, 2017 Author Share #116 Posted November 18, 2017 (edited) 4 hours ago, BreeddekalbL said: On the topic of toddlers, i have an interesting story from 2 days ago, get on the bus my mom and i sit infront while in the back of the bus you have a family of 3 mom toddler and grandma, and the toddler is very rambunctious screaming at the top of his lungs and it pierces ur ears even though they are in the back, kid keeps ringing the stop request and likes to keep throwing his toy truck on the floor, gets better the family follows mom and i onto the next bus and sit right infront of us!😠 now the kid is even worse to where the mom doesnt give a damn about controlling the rambunctious toddler and the toddler was slapping his mom. The toddler also was playing with his toy truck on the floor of the bus and kept bumping into my knee twice it even gets better the kid was playing with his toy truck on the floor of the bus while it was moving To add i forgot, im suprised they dont allow bus drivers to kick em off for safety violations Edited November 18, 2017 by BreeddekalbL Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
bobtehpanda Posted November 19, 2017 Share #117 Posted November 19, 2017 On 11/17/2017 at 10:41 PM, BreeddekalbL said: On the topic of toddlers, i have an interesting story from 2 days ago, get on the bus my mom and i sit infront while in the back of the bus you have a family of 3 mom toddler and grandma, and the toddler is very rambunctious screaming at the top of his lungs and it pierces ur ears even though they are in the back, kid keeps ringing the stop request and likes to keep throwing his toy truck on the floor, gets better the family follows mom and i onto the next bus and sit right infront of us!😠 now the kid is even worse to where the mom doesnt give a damn about controlling the rambunctious toddler and the toddler was slapping his mom. The toddler also was playing with his toy truck on the floor of the bus and kept bumping into my knee twice it even gets better the kid was playing with his toy truck on the floor of the bus while it was moving 20 hours ago, BreeddekalbL said: To add i forgot, im suprised they dont allow bus drivers to kick em off for safety violations How is any of this relevant? 1 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
BreeddekalbL Posted November 19, 2017 Author Share #118 Posted November 19, 2017 2 hours ago, bobtehpanda said: How is any of this relevant? I also forgot to add the toddler was running around on the crowded bus. In a way this is relevant becauae of the arguement in the article by the one who proposed making the rules easier regarding toddlers and strollers Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Blitz Posted December 6, 2017 Share #119 Posted December 6, 2017 (edited) On 11/11/2017 at 11:23 AM, Via Garibaldi 8 said: Do you take them on the bus or use a car? Seems like the obvious question to ask since you have little ones. When it's all of us together, car. My wife and I, with the baby, will use the subway once in a blue moon. Never on the bus though, it's too much of a hassle for us, and an inconvenience to everyone else Edited December 6, 2017 by Blitz 1 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Around the Horn Posted December 6, 2017 Share #120 Posted December 6, 2017 Just a thought: Would it be possible to do what London does and allow strollers to use the wheelchair space during off peak hours and during the peak or when a wheelchair boards, they'd have to fold it? Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
MysteriousBtrain Posted December 7, 2017 Share #121 Posted December 7, 2017 Found this on 5418. 2 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Via Garibaldi 8 Posted December 7, 2017 Share #122 Posted December 7, 2017 21 minutes ago, MysteriousBtrain said: Found this on 5418. The should post their policy on the bus or outside of it so that it's there for passengers to see. It would avoid a lot of the back and forth that I've witnessed. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Jdog14 Posted December 7, 2017 Share #123 Posted December 7, 2017 11 minutes ago, Via Garibaldi 8 said: The should post their policy on the bus or outside of it so that it's there for passengers to see. It would avoid a lot of the back and forth that I've witnessed. It is on the bus. It's posted up on the front that strollers are allowed if they are folded. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Via Garibaldi 8 Posted December 7, 2017 Share #124 Posted December 7, 2017 1 minute ago, Jdog14 said: It is on the bus. It's posted up on the front that strollers are allowed if they are folded. I have yet to see that. Where exactly is it located? Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Jdog14 Posted December 7, 2017 Share #125 Posted December 7, 2017 6 minutes ago, Via Garibaldi 8 said: I have yet to see that. Where exactly is it located? Its above in the area behind the destination sign. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
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