Ale188 Posted February 15 Share #176 Posted February 15 27 minutes ago, TyBusLover1 said: I feel like 5970-3, 5934-7 and a few other sets on this list are retired. No, they might be just stored, once ~150 R211s hit service, then they start retiring them. 1 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
TyBusLover1 Posted February 15 Share #177 Posted February 15 57 minutes ago, Ale188 said: No, they might be just stored, once ~150 R211s hit service, then they start retiring them. Okay. 0 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
TyBusLover1 Posted February 15 Share #178 Posted February 15 11 hours ago, BenTheMiner said: It's possible and estimated if they are to extend the C to be full-length, which currently isn't possible as it is based out of 207 St Yard and its inspection shed does not fit 600-foot long trains (the R46 and R211T are based out of Pitkin Yard). Thanks. 0 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
zacster Posted February 15 Author Share #179 Posted February 15 When the 11th R211 train goes into service, that'll mean they are whole again with spares, and can start retiring, and since these cars are not being used anyway they may be the first to go. 0 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
slantfan4281 Posted February 15 Share #180 Posted February 15 33 minutes ago, zacster said: When the 11th R211 train goes into service, that'll mean they are whole again with spares, and can start retiring, and since these cars are not being used anyway they may be the first to go. I'd imagine that since we're already at 110 cars on property, along with the 211S about to start testing or service on SI, we could maybe see official retirements begin in March. If we get a good delivery schedule the 44s could retired pretty quickly (by the end of the year) but the 46s will probably take at least a year and a half to cycle out. 0 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
zacster Posted February 15 Author Share #181 Posted February 15 In order for them to retire the R46s from the NQW they are going to have to replace the R68s with NTTs on the B/D. I can't predict which will end up on B/D. The other possibility is that they put R211s on the NQW to directly replace the R46s, but just like with the R160s, they'll end up being swapped out again so that 6th Ave can go CBTC. 0 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
BenTheMiner Posted February 16 Share #182 Posted February 16 13 hours ago, TyBusLover1 said: I feel like 5970-3, 5934-7 and a few other sets on this list are retired. If they were retired, they would have likely been moved out for scrap already. On the contrary, they are being kept in storage like the R32 and can be reactivated at any time. 0 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
BenTheMiner Posted February 16 Share #183 Posted February 16 10 hours ago, zacster said: When the 11th R211 train goes into service, that'll mean they are whole again with spares, and can start retiring, and since these cars are not being used anyway they may be the first to go. I don't think that will have any significance anyway. With the logic I provided earlier, I suspect that the MTA will wait until all of the primary order cars arrive to officially start retiring any R46 sets. 1 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
zacster Posted February 16 Author Share #184 Posted February 16 2 minutes ago, BenTheMiner said: I don't think that will have any significance anyway. With the logic I provided earlier, I suspect that the MTA will wait until all of the primary order cars arrive to officially start retiring any R46 sets. It costs money though to store the cars if they don't need them. It'll be a lot of extra cars hanging around. 0 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
slantfan4281 Posted February 16 Share #185 Posted February 16 14 minutes ago, zacster said: It costs money though to store the cars if they don't need them. It'll be a lot of extra cars hanging around. They'll probably start cannibalizing the worst sets first while they search for a scrap contract and the rest of the cars are still in service. It'll probably take a while to get them off property given how there are still around (90?) R32s left pending scrap, but the 46s might be easier to get rid of since they're newer. I doubt we'll see any saved for work service (maybe they'll save a single married pair for the museum), and I don't expect them to preserve any SIR R44s at all. 0 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
R32 3838 Posted February 16 Share #186 Posted February 16 You guys are forgetting that Coney still need more spares, CIY doesn't have Techs anymore so the spare factor needs to increase. They are not going to outright start retiring R46's (unless they have a major malfunction) when they have to increase the spares first. When the R32's were starting to get taken OOS between late 2019 and early 2020, CIY still had tech trains (around this time the CI/Jamaica Swap was starting to happen). It wasn't until 2021 or 2022 when the the remaining R160s were moved to Jamaica along with the . 0 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Cait Sith Posted February 16 Share #187 Posted February 16 6216-6218 are in service. Spotted them today on the A. Didn't peep what the other two cars were coupled with it, but those were in service with it as well. 0 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
zacster Posted February 16 Author Share #188 Posted February 16 9 hours ago, R32 3838 said: You guys are forgetting that Coney still need more spares, CIY doesn't have Techs anymore so the spare factor needs to increase. They are not going to outright start retiring R46's (unless they have a major malfunction) when they have to increase the spares first. When the R32's were starting to get taken OOS between late 2019 and early 2020, CIY still had tech trains (around this time the CI/Jamaica Swap was starting to happen). It wasn't until 2021 or 2022 when the the remaining R160s were moved to Jamaica along with the . The 11 R32 trains were supposed to be the spare factor for both CI and Pitkin. When those are replaced with R211s, there should already be enough to move to CI if needed. And if they were needed at this point they probably would have been moved already, so my guess is they weren't really needed. This gets to why they retired the 11 R32 trains in the first place. Those 11 trains are "nice to have" but aren't truly needed. Things that are "nice to have" still cost money. Even when the R211s were pulled from service they had enough cars, just barely. 0 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
BenTheMiner Posted February 16 Share #189 Posted February 16 16 hours ago, zacster said: It costs money though to store the cars if they don't need them. It'll be a lot of extra cars hanging around. How does it cost money to just have trains sitting around? That's exactly what they did with the R32. 0 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
BenTheMiner Posted February 16 Share #190 Posted February 16 14 hours ago, Cait Sith said: 6216-6218 are in service. Spotted them today on the A. Didn't peep what the other two cars were coupled with it, but those were in service with it as well. Other married pair should be 6228 and 6230 0 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
zacster Posted February 16 Author Share #191 Posted February 16 3 hours ago, BenTheMiner said: How does it cost money to just have trains sitting around? That's exactly what they did with the R32. In the MTA EVERYTHING costs money. They need storage space, security, maintenance, inspection, occasional operation. It all adds up, and by MTA math. 0 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Trainmaster5 Posted February 17 Share #192 Posted February 17 47 minutes ago, zacster said: In the MTA EVERYTHING costs money. They need storage space, security, maintenance, inspection, occasional operation. It all adds up, and by MTA math. Let's try to clear this up. In the real world everything costs money. The is no exception. Think about what you're saying. The is not just subways as you seem to be implying. There are bus depots, transit hubs, railroads, stations and a zillion other things that cost money. A train in the transit museum, lights in the river tubes 24/7 as well as parking facilities. You have equipment in maintenance facilities using diesels. I've been in subway yards where older non-revenue cars were being used by Car Equipment and/or RTO for equipment storage and such. What I'm trying to show that everything in the whether it moves or not costs money. Just my take. Carry on. 4 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
R32 3838 Posted February 17 Share #193 Posted February 17 On 2/16/2024 at 9:26 AM, zacster said: The 11 R32 trains were supposed to be the spare factor for both CI and Pitkin. When those are replaced with R211s, there should already be enough to move to CI if needed. And if they were needed at this point they probably would have been moved already, so my guess is they weren't really needed. This gets to why they retired the 11 R32 trains in the first place. Those 11 trains are "nice to have" but aren't truly needed. Things that are "nice to have" still cost money. Even when the R211s were pulled from service they had enough cars, just barely. honestly 11 sets of R32's wouldn't have been enough tbh and out of those 11 sets, they would have ran only 7 to 8 sets. The R46 fleet runs like garbage due to the low amount of spares right now. The B divsion fleet in general is taking a nose dive. The Jamaica R160s run like they are 35 years old and starting to ride like garbage because the air suspension is shot. This is why i don't think it's a good idea to start retiring the R46's in Mass, The only exception is if a set is completely shot. Then you have to factor in congestion pricing (which is delayed. The more it's delayed, The better) The R211 with all options taken would eliminate this issue. They ordered enough R211s Both Base and Option I to completely wipe out the R46s and fill the void left by the R32's. Option II would just expand the fleet. 0 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
RandomRider0101 Posted February 17 Share #194 Posted February 17 (edited) On 2/16/2024 at 12:29 AM, Cait Sith said: 6216-6218 are in service. Spotted them today on the A. Didn't peep what the other two cars were coupled with it, but those were in service with it as well. 23 hours ago, BenTheMiner said: Other married pair should be 6228 and 6230 I can confirm. Just got off the train myself. Edited February 17 by RandomRider0101 0 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
FLX9304 Posted February 17 Share #195 Posted February 17 On 2/15/2024 at 6:26 PM, zacster said: In order for them to retire the R46s from the NQW they are going to have to replace the R68s with NTTs on the B/D. I can't predict which will end up on B/D. The other possibility is that they put R211s on the NQW to directly replace the R46s, but just like with the R160s, they'll end up being swapped out again so that 6th Ave can go CBTC. Once again, the Broadway Line is NOT getting R211s 0 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
FLX9304 Posted February 17 Share #196 Posted February 17 3 hours ago, R32 3838 said: honestly 11 sets of R32's wouldn't have been enough tbh and out of those 11 sets, they would have ran only 7 to 8 sets. The R46 fleet runs like garbage due to the low amount of spares right now. The B divsion fleet in general is taking a nose dive. The Jamaica R160s run like they are 35 years old and starting to ride like garbage because the air suspension is shot. This is why i don't think it's a good idea to start retiring the R46's in Mass, The only exception is if a set is completely shot. Then you have to factor in congestion pricing (which is delayed. The more it's delayed, The better) The R211 with all options taken would eliminate this issue. They ordered enough R211s Both Base and Option I to completely wipe out the R46s and fill the void left by the R32's. Option II would just expand the fleet. They wanna wait until after the 2025 mayoral race 0 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
zacster Posted February 18 Author Share #197 Posted February 18 4 hours ago, FLX9304 said: Once again, the Broadway Line is NOT getting R211s It would not make sense to put them on a line that won't be getting CBTC. But since when does the MTA make any sense? As I said, it is a POSSIBILITY, but unlikely for the reason I gave. It isn't like they've never changed direction. 4 hours ago, FLX9304 said: honestly 11 sets of R32's wouldn't have been enough tbh and out of those 11 sets, they would have ran only 7 to 8 sets. The R46 fleet runs like garbage due to the low amount of spares right now. Those 11 sets of R32s were supposed to be the spares, or to allow R46s to be spares or serviced. They made do without them so how can you say they wouldn't have been enough? Zero R32s turned out to be enough. 0 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Metro CSW Posted February 18 Share #198 Posted February 18 Nah, f**k CBTC. The realistic reason for Broadway Line to be considered for the R211 is to accommodate for the Second Avenue Subway. Lets try not overlook that fact. 0 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
zacster Posted February 18 Author Share #199 Posted February 18 9 hours ago, Metro CSW said: Nah, f**k CBTC. The realistic reason for Broadway Line to be considered for the R211 is to accommodate for the Second Avenue Subway. Lets try not overlook that fact. And when they opened the 2nd Ave Subway they made sure the newest trains were running there. If Cuomo were still Gov. my guess is they wouldn't have been allowed to swap them for the oldest cars. He would've had a fit that his pride and joy wasn't being treated right. By the time the extension is opened to 125th St, no matter where it ends up there, the R68s will also be gone. 0 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
TyBusLover1 Posted February 18 Share #200 Posted February 18 Is it true that the first few r211a sets are r32 replacements and the rest are supposed to be r46 replacements? 1 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
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