Metro CSW Posted February 18 Share #201 Posted February 18 10 minutes ago, TyBusLover1 said: Is it true that the first few r211a sets are r32 replacements and the rest are supposed to be r46 replacements? Nope. Just the R46s + expansions. The 32s were gone before the pilot came into service. 0 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
TyBusLover1 Posted February 18 Share #202 Posted February 18 28 minutes ago, Metro CSW said: Nope. Just the R46s + expansions. The 32s were gone before the pilot came into service. Thanks. 0 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Bill from Maspeth Posted February 18 Share #203 Posted February 18 4 hours ago, zacster said: And when they opened the 2nd Ave Subway they made sure the newest trains were running there. If Cuomo were still Gov. my guess is they wouldn't have been allowed to swap them for the oldest cars. He would've had a fit that his pride and joy wasn't being treated right. By the time the extension is opened to 125th St, no matter where it ends up there, the R68s will also be gone. OK then, so what would have been used for the E/F/R? We would only be running the M with CBTC and wasting all that money spent in putting CBTC along the Queens Blvd. lines because the R46's would not have left? Even Cuomo would not have the answer for that one! 0 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
R32 3838 Posted February 19 Share #204 Posted February 19 (edited) On 2/17/2024 at 7:12 PM, zacster said: It would not make sense to put them on a line that won't be getting CBTC. But since when does the MTA make any sense? As I said, it is a POSSIBILITY, but unlikely for the reason I gave. It isn't like they've never changed direction. Those 11 sets of R32s were supposed to be the spares, or to allow R46s to be spares or serviced. They made do without them so how can you say they wouldn't have been enough? Zero R32s turned out to be enough. I mean after the R32's retired, The R46s took a nose dive and they still run like garbage and CI has mixed R68/R68A's to make service when they never mixed them before. It's not as great as people make it. The R211s are helping now with the pitkin R46s while CI still has issues with their fleet. 20 hours ago, Metro CSW said: Nah, f**k CBTC. The realistic reason for Broadway Line to be considered for the R211 is to accommodate for the Second Avenue Subway. Lets try not overlook that fact. Nah Screw them people. they got new shit for years, The R211s are designed for lines like the and lines. Broadway doesn't carry as much as those 4 lines. Coney Island really don't need R211s at all. When the gets techs, The R160's would be a better fit. It'll be a waste to put the R211s on lines like the and while lines like the , even the to an extent need the R211s more than those lines. The wider doors are better for lines with the highest ridership. This is why they Kept the all R142/R142A's instead og giving them the R62A's, It was because of the Larger doors and the reduction of Dwell times. The Dwell time increased on the when the R142A's left the line. I do thin Jamaica would get a large chunk of these to balance out the fleet. Those Siemens would be the first to go. 10 hours ago, zacster said: And when they opened the 2nd Ave Subway they made sure the newest trains were running there. If Cuomo were still Gov. my guess is they wouldn't have been allowed to swap them for the oldest cars. He would've had a fit that his pride and joy wasn't being treated right. By the time the extension is opened to 125th St, no matter where it ends up there, the R68s will also be gone. They had no choice but to swap the cars, They are not going to delay running CBTC in Queens to make upper east side people happy. My only gripe was them putting the majority of the R46 fleet on the instead of the . 7 hours ago, Metro CSW said: Nope. Just the R46s + expansions. The 32s were gone before the pilot came into service. The first 8-11 sets of R211's are the de facto replacements of the remaining R32's that were retired already. It seems a lot of you guys don't remember the R44 retirement. The R160's didn't replace all of the R44's. Only Half of them. The R179s are the De Facto replacements of the remaining R44 (that were gone 6 years before) ,R42's and 50% of the R32 fleet. The R211's with option I is pretty much replacing the remaining R32s that were retired before the R211s arrived and all of the R46s. If they increase the length of the (100%) and the then Option II would only replace the remaining R46's with 80% of that order being for fleet expansion. The R143s are the de facto replacement of the GE R30's after being retired just 7 years prior. I don't know why you guys keep thinking the R211s are only R46 replacements when we still have a car shortage that has been going for the past 5 years. Edited February 19 by R32 3838 1 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Ale188 Posted February 19 Share #205 Posted February 19 On 2/14/2024 at 11:46 PM, BenTheMiner said: R46 last known active dates as of 2/14 (marked sets OOS or possibly retired) 5878-81 2/14 5882-5 2/14 5886-9 2/9 5890-3 2/12 5894-7 2/2 (went to Jamaica Yard 2/6) 5898-5901 2/13 5902-5 2/14 5906-9 2/14 ! 5910-3 1/9 (seen in Pitkin Yard 1/15) 5914-7 2/14 5918-21 2/13 5922-5 2/5 5926-9 2/14 5930-3 2/7 ! 5934-7 11/6 (seen in Concourse Yard 2/10) 5938-41 2/13 5942-5 2/13 5946-9 2/3 5950-3 2/11 5954-7 2/14 5958-61 2/11 5962-5 2/14 ! 5966-9 12/30 (seen in 207 St Yard 2/11) ! 5970-3 8/4 supposed 8/28 5974-7 2/14 5978-81 2/13 5982-5 2/12 ! 5986-9 1/12 (seen in Concourse Yard 1/31) ! 5990-3 1/26 5994-7 2/2 5998-6001 2/14 6002-5 2/14 6006-9 2/10 6010-13 2/14 6014-7 2/11 6018-21 2/14 6022-5 2/12 6026-9 2/13 6030-3 2/12 6034-7 2/14 6038-41 2/14 6042-5 2/12 6046-9 2/13 6050-3 2/9 6054-7 2/14 6058-61 2/13 ! 6212+6063-5 1/26 6066-9 2/14 6070-3 2/12 6074-7 2/14 6078-81 2/12 6082-5 2/13 6086-9 2/11 6090-3 2/10 6094-7 2/9 (seen moving NIS 2/10) 6098-6101 2/14 6102-5 2/12 6106-9 2/14 6110-3 2/13 6114-7 2/14 6118-21 2/14 6122-5 2/14 ! 6126-9 1/19 (seen in Concourse Yard 2/10) 6130-3 2/14 6134-7 2/13 6138-41 2/13 6142-5 2/14 6146-9 2/6 6152-3+6206-7 2/6 6154-7 2/14 ! 6158-61 1/5 or 1/10 (seen in Pitkin Yard 1/15) 6162-5 2/14 6166-9 2/9 6170-3 2/14 6174-7 2/1 6178-81 2/13 6182-5 2/2 ! 6186-9 1/24 ! 6190-3 1/22 ! 6194-7 1/24 (Concourse 2/2, returned to Pitkin 2/9) 6198-6201 2/14 6202-5 2/6 6208+10 2/14 6216+8 2/14 6220+2 1/31 (returning from CIY to Pitkin 2/14) 6224+6 1/31 (returning from CIY to Pitkin 2/14) 6228+30 2/14 6232+4 2/14 6236+8 2/14 6240+2 11/10 6244+6 2/13 6248+50 2/13 6252+4 1/26 6256+8 2/14 Can confirm 5902-05, 6002-05, 5882-85, 6170-73 are in service on 2/18 all on the A 0 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
TyBusLover1 Posted February 19 Share #206 Posted February 19 21 minutes ago, R32 3838 said: I mean after the R32's retired, The R46s took a nose dive and they still run like garbage and CI has mixed R68/R68A's to make service when they never mixed them before. It's not as great as people make it. The R211s are helping now with the pitkin R46s while CI still has issues with their fleet. Nah Screw them people. they got new shit for years, The R211s are designed for lines like the and lines. Broadway doesn't carry as much as those 4 lines. Coney Island really don't need R211s at all. When the gets techs, The R160's would be a better fit. It'll be a waste to put the R211s on lines like the and while lines like the , even the to an extent need the R211s more than those lines. The wider doors are better for lines with the highest ridership. This is why they Kept the all R142/R142A's instead og giving them the R62A's, It was because of the Larger doors and the reduction of Dwell times. The Dwell time increased on the when the R142A's left the line. I do thin Jamaica would get a large chunk of these to balance out the fleet. Those Siemens would be the first to go. They had no choice but to swap the cars, They are not going to delay running CBTC in Queens to make upper east side people happy. My only gripe was them putting the majority of the R46 fleet on the instead of the . The first 8-11 sets of R211's are the de facto replacements of the remaining R32's that were retired already. It seems a lot of you guys don't remember the R44 retirement. The R160's didn't replace all of the R44's. Only Half of them. The R179s are the De Facto replacements of the remaining R44 (that were gone 6 years before) ,R42's and 50% of the R32 fleet. The R211's with option I is pretty much replacing the remaining R32s that were retired before the R211s arrived and all of the R46s. If they increase the length of the (100%) and the then Option II would only replace the remaining R46's with 80% of that order being for fleet expansion. The R143s are the de facto replacement of the GE R30's after being retired just 7 years prior. I don't know why you guys keep thinking the R211s are only R46 replacements when we still have a car shortage that has been going for the past 5 years. So basically I was right about the r211As. 0 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
TyBusLover1 Posted February 20 Share #207 Posted February 20 Since there are almost enough r211A sets to send the remaining r32/32As off property, I guess we will see more r46s go into storage right? 0 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
zacster Posted February 21 Author Share #208 Posted February 21 (edited) That's what I'd think. There are R32s on the track at 37th St and Ft Hamilton Parkway. 3502 was one of them. They look like they were prepped to be taken off property. I was going to see what was there but there wasn't any place to do pull my car over. Edited February 21 by zacster 0 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
BenTheMiner Posted February 21 Share #209 Posted February 21 21 minutes ago, zacster said: That's what I'd think. There are R32s on the track at 37th St and Ft Hamilton Parkway. 3502 was one of them. They look like they were prepped to be taken off property. I was going to see what was there but there wasn't any place to do pull my car over. 3502 was reefed years ago, so can't be. 0 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
BenTheMiner Posted February 21 Share #210 Posted February 21 7 hours ago, TyBusLover1 said: Since there are almost enough r211A sets to send the remaining r32/32As off property, I guess we will see more r46s go into storage right? That's what's expected, which is why I'm tracking when each Pitkin R46 set was last seen. 0 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
TyBusLover1 Posted February 21 Share #211 Posted February 21 13 minutes ago, BenTheMiner said: That's what's expected, which is why I'm tracking when each Pitkin R46 set was last seen. It’ll take awhile before the first r46s are officially retired. 36 minutes ago, zacster said: That's what I'd think. There are R32s on the track at 37th St and Ft Hamilton Parkway. 3502 was one of them. They look like they were prepped to be taken off property. I was going to see what was there but there wasn't any place to do pull my car over. Even though the oos units are being scrapped, at least we still have some r32s preserved by the nyctm. 0 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
TyBusLover1 Posted February 21 Share #212 Posted February 21 21 minutes ago, BenTheMiner said: That's what's expected, which is why I'm tracking when each Pitkin R46 set was last seen. It’ll take awhile before the first r46s are officially retired. But yes,it is a good idea you have to start tracking the pitkin r46s now. 43 minutes ago, zacster said: That's what I'd think. There are R32s on the track at 37th St and Ft Hamilton Parkway. 3502 was one of them. They look like they were prepped to be taken off property. I was going to see what was there but there wasn't any place to do pull my car over. Even though the oos units are being scrapped, at least we still have some r32s preserved by the nyctm. 0 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
LGA Link N Train Posted February 21 Share #213 Posted February 21 If anything, the R-46’s currently out of Service (for good, I don’t remember all of the numbers off the top of my head but …5550-5553? come to mind and one other set) would be the first to go, but I’m not expecting that for another year or so 0 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
SimplyMyself Posted February 21 Share #214 Posted February 21 2 hours ago, zacster said: That's what I'd think. There are R32s on the track at 37th St and Ft Hamilton Parkway. 3502 was one of them. They look like they were prepped to be taken off property. I was going to see what was there but there wasn't any place to do pull my car over. You mean 3520/3891? It’s been linked with 3810/1 at 38th since right after Christmas. Surprised they’re still there tbh. 0 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
slantfan4281 Posted February 21 Share #215 Posted February 21 2 hours ago, zacster said: That's what I'd think. There are R32s on the track at 37th St and Ft Hamilton Parkway. 3502 was one of them. They look like they were prepped to be taken off property. I was going to see what was there but there wasn't any place to do pull my car over. According to nycsubway.org there are still about 80 cars waiting to be scrapped, though it could be more since only 6 cars on property (3350-3353 and 3360-3361) are officially designated for preservation 0 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Kamen Rider Posted February 21 Share #216 Posted February 21 in a overly technical sense... No. Because it's really not a one for one thing... And if I've said it once, I've said it a million times, the C has the 8 car units because 207th can't do 10 car trains in the inspection barn. 0 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
LGA Link N Train Posted February 21 Share #217 Posted February 21 4 hours ago, Kamen Rider said: And if I've said it once, I've said it a million times, the C has the 8 car units because 207th can't do 10 car trains in the inspection barn. Makes me wonder if there have been any plans made or talked about in the past to address this issue. Would be an interesting read if there is something. 1 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
zacster Posted February 21 Author Share #218 Posted February 21 (edited) 11 hours ago, SimplyMyself said: You mean 3520/3891? It’s been linked with 3810/1 at 38th since right after Christmas. Surprised they’re still there tbh. Yea, that was it. When I was returning home I saw that it was one matched set and one mismatched. There was somebody right behind me so I couldn't slow down to look. I need to go back to MicroCenter so I'll swing by again. If it were warmer out I'd just bike over and take pics too. Edited February 21 by zacster 0 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
darkstar8983 Posted February 21 Share #219 Posted February 21 16 hours ago, LGA Link N Train said: Makes me wonder if there have been any plans made or talked about in the past to address this issue. Would be an interesting read if there is something. Yeah. Would be interesting to see what the plan is to improve the yard, especially if the will be going full length, or will the just have to use two yards (one for 8-car units, and one for the 10-car units). Would just be easier to have the full fleet based out of Pitkin and just use 207 St for major overhauls, since the R211s would need to be broken up into 5-car consists to fit in the yard 0 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Jemorie Posted February 22 Share #220 Posted February 22 On 2/18/2024 at 8:28 PM, R32 3838 said: Nah Screw them people. they got new shit for years, The R211s are designed for lines like the and lines. Broadway doesn't carry as much as those 4 lines. Coney Island really don't need R211s at all. When the gets techs, The R160's would be a better fit. It'll be a waste to put the R211s on lines like the and while lines like the , even the to an extent need the R211s more than those lines. The wider doors are better for lines with the highest ridership. This is why they Kept the all R142/R142A's instead og giving them the R62A's, It was because of the Larger doors and the reduction of Dwell times. The Dwell time increased on the when the R142A's left the line. I do thin Jamaica would get a large chunk of these to balance out the fleet. Those Siemens would be the first to go. They had no choice but to swap the cars, They are not going to delay running CBTC in Queens to make upper east side people happy. My only gripe was them putting the majority of the R46 fleet on the instead of the . Neither the nor the need R211s either… 🙄 0 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
FLX9304 Posted February 22 Share #221 Posted February 22 4 hours ago, Jemorie said: Neither the nor the need R211s either… 🙄 The is gonna need them once the 8th Ave CBTC is done. That’s why 1,070 cars are ordered. 0 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
R32 3838 Posted February 22 Share #222 Posted February 22 8 hours ago, Jemorie said: Neither the nor the need R211s either… 🙄 The has very high ridership and it's jammed packed in Manhattan and the Bronx. And i said to an extent the , The doesn't need to be 100% R211 but the does get heavy ridership between Manhattan and Queens and a decent chunk between Manhattan and Brooklyn. The Should get the R211s next, The last order of new cars it got was the R68As in 1988-1989. And it would make sense because of the upcoming CBTC on 8th ave and 6th ave. 4 hours ago, FLX9304 said: The is gonna need them once the 8th Ave CBTC is done. That’s why 1,070 cars are ordered. That really doesn't mean they could automatically get R211s, Concourse could get the R160s from Jamaica as well. Those CBTC equipped R160s gotta work on other CBTC lines besides Queens Blvd. But Concourse should get the R211s. Let the get R160s instead. 1 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Jemorie Posted February 22 Share #223 Posted February 22 (edited) I’m only agreeing about the and it has nothing to do with ridership. It’s only to prevent a three way swap if the R160s from Jamaica were to leave (this is also the real reason why the R62As from the went to the instead of the ). Everything else I’m not going to agree with but that’s for another thread. Edited February 22 by Jemorie 0 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
R179 8258 Posted February 26 Share #224 Posted February 26 (edited) On 2/18/2024 at 8:50 PM, Ale188 said: Can confirm 5902-05, 6002-05, 5882-85, 6170-73 are in service on 2/18 all on the A I rode 6170-6173 last Friday Edited February 26 by R179 8258 0 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Ale188 Posted February 26 Share #225 Posted February 26 39 minutes ago, R179 8258 said: I rode 6170-6173 last Friday I rode it last Sunday (2/18). Definitely could've seen you If I stood longer 0 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
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