Jova42R

3 hours ago, engineerboy6561 said:

That's the problem; the only way to do this in one jurisdiction would be to extend the Church Av Yard tracks down Ft Hamilton to Bay Ridge and then build actual subway to SI via a new Ft Ham-SI tunnel (which would also be hilariously expensive). Frankly, doing SI-Elizabeth with an extension of the S48/98. beefing up S89 service to Bayonne, and beefing up S79/93 service to Brooklyn may be as good as we can get.

4 hours ago, Deucey said:

You still have the problem of getting tracks on and off the VZ, or finishing the SI tunnel.

Although it could mitigate SI-Bk-LI traffic - like many light rail projects partially do, it’d have to:

1) Branch at both ends - NJ side to HBLR/Hoboken, EWR, and to Metropark; LI side to Jamaica/Mineola and via southern Bk to a LIRR station or Garden City. It’d end up looking like the TfL Northern or District Lines but with lower capacity and possibly a lower fare box recovery

2) Either be a new bi-state transit authority or do trackage rights to allow  to Metropark and  to Bk/LI. That’s when power struggles come into play.

3) Offset toll collections on the VZ and reduce induced demand on the SIE/BQE and the Belt.

Its a nice idea but if it were viable, the B&O would’ve built something for it and not closed the North Shore Line.

Here is my map of the ways that we could get LRT from Bayonne and Elizabeth to SI (both links lead to the same map, just some computers will not accept the first link):

https://www.google.com/maps/d/drive?state={"ids"%3A["1BdIm9Xz9zuHO4It8-UUcICA74nWR0dde"]%2C"action"%3A"open"%2C"userId"%3A"107668199648967475686"}&usp=sharing

https://www.google.com/maps/d/u/0/edit?hl=en&hl=en&mid=1BdIm9Xz9zuHO4It8-UUcICA74nWR0dde&ll=40.644556853678665%2C-74.25874914888863&z=13

Which one is best, in your opinion?

13 hours ago, Deucey said:

Either a new bridge, or take away lanes on the Bayonne Bridge - which won’t sit well with folks down the street from me after the years of construction raising the roadbed.

Isn’t there room on the Bayonne Bridge?

my question was how would it get from Staten Island to Elizabeth.

If anyone wants, I can send a list of codes for Academy Bus Lines. However, I won't just be dispensing the "secret" codes, so please PM me why you want to have the codes, and I will  send it to you if I am sure that your reason is not malicious.

20 hours ago, aemoreira81 said:

I can answer #2 on the Spring Valley and Suffern part---you can trace much of the ROW, but would need some condemnation within Ramapo.

Thanks! Do you know anything about the remnants of the stations or Blauvelt to Nyack?

10 hours ago, Cait Sith said:

West Farms has covered both the Bx1 and the Bx2.

20 hours ago, LegoBrickBreaker101 said:

Actually, some of those Manhattan trips actually DO make the whole trip. Today's Bx12 SBS MJQ runs (#6107 and #6227) went from Bay Plaza to Inwood, and started again at Fordham Plaza heading Bay Plaza. But yeah, most of them are short turns.

 

If I could fix your list up a bit, the typical weekday trips actually look like this:

Bx1/Bx2 (MJQ) - Mott Haven to and from Fordham Rd 

Bx3 (MHV, MJQ) - Washington Heights to and from Kingsbridge Road (a few trips go up to Riverdale)

Bx4 / A (WF) - Usually interlines with the Bx40 / 42 trips

Bx9 (WF, MCH, OH) - West Farms / Riverdale to and from 225th Street & Bway (The trips will often run from either end of the route to 225th and then go back, or will just make the entire trip)

Bx12 / SBS  (MJQ, MHV) - Usually make the whole trip but some trips end at University Avenue or Fordham Plaza 

Bx15 (WF, OH) - 149 st to and from Fordham plaza 

Bx28 (MHV, MCH) - Co-Op City to and from Norwood, with some trips going all the way to Fordham Center (the first day these loans started, an XD60 from OH ran on the line)

Bx41 / SBS (WF, MCH) - 149st to and from Fordham Plaza

Bx40 / 42 (WF) - Whole route

 

The weekend loans are a lot more interesting. One weekend, Staten Island did some trips. Another weekend it was Manhattan, and last weekend it was West Farms (an XN40 ran on the Bx7 and on the Bx28).

So is this why there have been WAY less VII OGs on MHV and MCH routes (it's mainly been NGs)

Just now, Calvin said:

https://thecity.nyc/2020/04/amazon-warehouse-packers-in-staten-island-jam-onto-mta-buses.html?fbclid=IwAR1ILxyBjjDczbGv17QbE-pUtQOc4UVcPdHGJ0pA257IdTTHFSqTZH3sSYI

Recently, most S40 buses are packed to/from the warehouse terminal

I can't open it - can you copy it into a post?

Hi all,

During quarantine, I've been making plans for trips after COVID-19 ends, and one of those is to Rockland County to explore a few abandoned railroads. I have a few questions, however.

1. Are there any remnants of the NY&NJ RR north of Spring Valley (that's the RR that went to Haverstraw)
2. Are there any remnants of the Erie Piermont Pranch between Blauvelt and Nanuet or between Spring Valley and Suffern
3. Did the Erie Northern Branch ever go north of Nyack?
4. Are there any remnants of stations on the CSX River Sub?

Any answers would be much appreciated!

@XcelsiorBoii4888 @S78 via Hylan @engineerboy6561 @Mtatransit @B35 via Church @Trainmaster5 @biGC323232 do any of you know?

Just now, B35 via Church said:

So Kings Highway being nice & wide & the logical endpoints being that of a subway station had nothing to do with anything?

No. It is a perfect BRT corridor...

1 minute ago, B35 via Church said:

You have got to be kidding me in regards to "Central" Brooklyn being underserved..... Many around different parts of the city would say we have too much bus service in this region of Brooklyn....

Compared to the other BRT/LRT ideas you mapped out, the lone Brooklyn one you showcase here is the worst, by far..... Quite sure you could come up with a better idea than this.

Maybe if we extended it out to Broadway Jct

1 minute ago, B35 via Church said:

For starters, the whole Bay Ridge - JFK concept is one that's been floating out there for quite some time...

Or JFK, but how would that be routed as BRT?

16 hours ago, Cait Sith said:

They're freeballing runs. They're not putting them into the Clever Devices.

 

Might be training, I saw it go into the port a few minutes ago.

20803 is most likely training. It has been tracking in Hoboken, Meadowlands and Secaucus (Hoboken-Newport now)

10 hours ago, Nova Fly Guy said:

20814 is built 

How do you know? Only up to 20811 is built, so far.

8 hours ago, Around the Horn said:

The North Queens LRT is solid. I personally would merge it with the Queensboro Trolley; going up/down Northern Blvd AND continuing to Manhattan would bring in more ridership and relieve crowded subways (the )

Maybe have the LGA trains go to Manhattan, otherwise go to LIC

8 hours ago, Around the Horn said:

I like the idea of the East Queens BRT... The Q46 lends itself well to BRT concepts because its mostly a straight shot. I would be interested to hear your reasoning behind sending it to Jamaica rather than continuing to Kew Gardens.

I was originally thinking LRT, but a Q46 conversion would be better. I'd be open to having a branch to Kew Gradens.

8 hours ago, Around the Horn said:

Again with the Crosstown LRT, logical expansion of the Q52/53 using the RBB ROW, not much to say here.

I was thinking to maybe extend it to the Rockaways somehow -- maybe under this proposal, the Q52/53 could make less stops along Woodhaven?

8 hours ago, Around the Horn said:

I can see the Park Avenue BRT running into some community opposition because they're obsessed with not having buses on that street.

Nevertheless I like the idea and you might want to look at implementing something similar with the existing M98/101/102/103 on 3rd and Lex, perhaps making the M101 SBS the "express" with the M102 and M103 as the "local". Something on 5th/Madison might also work (the longer M3 and M4 making less stops than the M1 and M2)

Ahh, I see. I think having a busway on 3rd/Lex could work, however on 5th/Madison, it would get quite clogged up (all the express busses)

4 hours ago, B35 via Church said:

IDC who originally proposed it, What is so "cross Brooklyn" about a half-assed B7 ?

Kings Hwy. around here barely deserves bus service, let alone the implementation of BRT.... There is no significant collective of commuters striving to get from East Flatbush/Crown Heights/Brownsville to Midwood... It's a large reason why the B7 is an afterthought around here as it is now.... You (or whoever that proposed it) could've literally chosen any other major corridor here in Brooklyn to opt to suggest BRT for, over Kings Hwy......

8 hours ago, Around the Horn said:

I'm not quite sure what the Cross Brooklyn BRT is meant to do since it seems to end rather randomly on both ends but the idea of cross Brooklyn travel could work (see B82 SBS). I'd say give it some more thought.

It was mainly to provide a connector to the subway, and to provide rapid bus service to the underserved Central Brooklyn Area

20 hours ago, Jova42R said:

• Cross-Brooklyn BRT
  • to provide rapid bus service to the underserved Central Brooklyn Area

9 hours ago, Around the Horn said:

I've always been a proponent of extending the HBLR to Staten Island so you'll get no argument from me on the SI LRT. St George to Elizabeth via Howland Hook might get you more bang for your buck though...

How would it get to Elizabeth?

9 hours ago, Around the Horn said:

Lower Montauk lends itself more to a Triboro RX-like concept rather than light rail.

My only thought with LRT is that you could then extend it through LIC and across the Queensboro Bridge. I think that @engineerboy6561 proposed that a few months ago.

3 hours ago, B35 via Church said:

There isn't much of anything to critique or muse about - that's the thing...

What am I supposed to be looking at here, outside of the basic portrayal (instead of simply stating) that you think Fordham, Outerbridge P&R, GCT, QBP, and Flushing would be good places for an intermodal terminal?

I'd implement busways at all locations - if you zoom in you can see more detail.

On 4/27/2020 at 4:10 PM, B35 via Church said:

....and water is wet.

Sorry to be a smartypants, but technically it isn't.

20 hours ago, happy283 said:

If they send it up the Broadway Line, I would love to have it go through the 60 St tube.

Correct me if I'm wrong, but can't R32s not operate in Montague, 60th, or Nassau?

3 minutes ago, Collin said:

Those would be good locations, though I'm not sure what the benefit is other than removing bus traffic from street level.  It adds stairs that passengers have to go up and down to get to the subway.

Which locations?

12 hours ago, Collin said:

Other cities don't have the local/express divide to worry about.  All trains stop at every station.  For the bus routes, they need to be evaluated case by case.  I'm sure some routes get a lot of riders who are just transferring to the subway and that's it.  Other routes might get more of a mix of riders in terms of their final destination.  Not everyone is going to Manhattan.

One thing I'd like to see is more locations where buses can stop within subway fare control.  I think the only place it currently happens in NYC is Canarsie-Rockaway Parkway.  At Harvard Square stop in Boston, the buses actually go underground to stop within the station.  I'm not sure the cost or feasibility of doing something like that in Jamaica, Flushing, or any other large bus-subway hubs.

8 hours ago, B35 via Church said:

In a barbie world, sure.... I mean while I'm generally for off-street bus terminals, I don't think it's worth subterraneously digging up earth for intermodal terminals here... Leave the excavating for the benefit of expanding the subway network.

 

Here's my plan for a few intermodal terminals, without any digging involved!

https://drive.google.com/open?id=1d95uR3x7zMetvArTYhqSC4Nsb14tEt_e&usp=sharing

Thoughts/critiques/questions?

1 minute ago, XcelsiorBoii4888 said:

@Jova42R Everything you listed is unrealistic...

Why?

EDIT: most of these I am not the only one to propose.

@LaGuardia Link N Tra didn't you say you might create a thread about "what if something was built terribly and what reroutes would you do to change subway service for the better"?

I think you should create it!

Here is my final BRT/LRT proposal for NYC:

https://drive.google.com/open?id=18-vHk67dBXap48Nkyv03fmx5u4eYboZ9&usp=sharing

• The rationale behind the routes
  • North Queens LRT
    • to provide service to LGA Airport and along Northern Blvd, relief for the 
  • Queensboro Trolley
    • to replace the Q60 and Q101 across the Queensboro Bridge after the Queens Bus Redesign
  • East Queens BRT
    • cheaper alternative to LRT or an  or  extension, but still serves East Queens well
  • Crosstown LRT
    • to provide relief for the Q52+, Q53+, Q11, and Q21 buses. This could also provide a provision for LIRR service.
  • Park Av BRT
    • to provide relief for the , one of the most crowded lines in the country.
  • Cross-Brooklyn BRT
    • to provide rapid bus service to the underserved Central Brooklyn Area
  • Staten Island LRT
    • to provide better transit on the West and North Shores, and to provide a rail link between SI and NJ.
  • Lower Montauk LRT
    • to provide light rail service to the underserved areas of Central Queens and North Brooklyn
• Fleet
  • North Queens LRT
    • CAF Urbos 3
    • no catenary in LGA
  • Queensboro Trolley
    • CAF Urbos 3
    • no catenary on bridge approaches
  • East Queens BRT
    • New Flyer XE60
  • Crosstown LRT
    • CAF Urbos 3
    • no catenary when on LIRR Mainline
  • Park Av BRT
    • New Flyer XE60
  • Cross-Brooklyn BRT
    • New Flyer XE60
  • Staten Island LRT
    • CAF Urbos 3 and Kinki Sharyo LRV (KSLRV shared with HBLR)
  • Lower Montauk LRT
    • CAF Urbos 3
• TPH
  • North Queens LRT
    • LIC-94th: 20TPH
    • LGA Branch: 8TPH
    • Flushing Branch: 12TPH
  • Queensboro Trolley
    • 15TPH
  • East Queens BRT
    • 12BPH
  • Crosstown LRT
    • 12TPH
  • Park Av BRT
    • 15BPH
  • Cross-Brooklyn BRT
    • 15BPH
  • Staten Island LRT
    • St George-Howland Hook: 5TPH
    • St George-Outerbridge: 10TPH
    • Hoboken (via HBLR)-Outerbridge: 5TPH
    • Hoboken (via HBLR)-St George: 7TPH
    • Outerbridge-Howland Hook: 1TPH
  • Lower Montauk LRT
    • Jamaica-Fresh Pond Jct: 18TPH
    • Fresh Pond Jct-E Williamsburg: 8TPH
    • Fresh Pond Jct-LIC: 10TPH

Thoughts @engineerboy6561 @BM5 via Woodhaven @Train92 @OrionVIIonM79 @danig1220 @gtNovaBusRTS9369 @XcelsiorBoii4888

18 hours ago, Wallyhorse said:

The problem is the has no yard in this setup.  That's why it and the were swapped in 1987.  

I would myself do it like this:

moves to the Nassau Line and runs essentially the old "Bankers Special" route between Essex and Bay Ridge 24/7 with yard runs ending and beginning at Broadway Junction on the  and such noted in the schedules. 

also becomes full-time and runs 9th Avenue on the to Astoria as a Broadway Local with yard runs (and also some rush-hour trains) ending and beginning at Bay Parkway or 25th Avenue and during peak-hours, some trains ending and beginning at Whitehall Street.

Like the idea for the and  on this. 

and as you noted don't need to be changed on this. 

3 minutes ago, T to Dyre Avenue said:

You just answered the question to your own problem with the  going to Astoria. Because the Astoria  can do yard runs to/from CI via the  line during off hours just as the  could. And the MTA could - eventually - get on with adapting 38th St Yard (adjacent to 9th Avenue) as a storage yard for  trains, while doing maintenance at CI. 9th Avenue is not a high-ridership station (see the MTA’s own station statistics about this), so there really is no reason to terminate a full-time service there. 

why not run the  from an upgraded 36-38 Yard with a connection to 4 av lcl?

Here is my final BRT/LRT proposal for NYC:

https://drive.google.com/open?id=18-vHk67dBXap48Nkyv03fmx5u4eYboZ9&usp=sharing

• The rationale behind the routes
  • North Queens LRT
    • to provide service to LGA Airport and along Northern Blvd, relief for the
  • Queensboro Trolley
    • to replace the Q60 and Q101 across the Queensboro Bridge after the Queens Bus Redesign
  • East Queens BRT
    • cheaper alternative to LRT or an  or  extension, but still serves East Queens well
  • Crosstown LRT
    • to provide relief for the Q52+, Q53+, Q11, and Q21 buses. This could also provide a provision for LIRR service.
  • Park Av BRT
    • to provide relief for the , one of the most crowded lines in the country.
  • Cross-Brooklyn BRT
    • to provide rapid bus service to the underserved Central Brooklyn Area
  • Staten Island LRT
    • to provide better transit on the West and North Shores, and to provide a rail link between SI and NJ.
  • Lower Montauk LRT
    • to provide light rail service to the underserved areas of Central Queens and North Brooklyn
• Fleet
  • North Queens LRT
    • CAF Urbos 3
      • no catenary in LGA
  • Queensboro Trolley
    • CAF Urbos 3
      • no catenary on bridge approaches
  • East Queens BRT
    • New Flyer XE60
  • Crosstown LRT
    • CAF Urbos 3
      • no catenary when on LIRR Mainline
  • Park Av BRT
    • New Flyer XE60
  • Cross-Brooklyn BRT
    • New Flyer XE60
  • Staten Island LRT
    • CAF Urbos 3 and Kinki Sharyo LRV (KSLRV shared with HBLR)
  • Lower Montauk LRT
    • CAF Urbos 3
• TPH
  • North Queens LRT
    • LIC-94th: 20TPH
    • LGA Branch: 8TPH
    • Flushing Branch: 12TPH
  • Queensboro Trolley
    • 15TPH
  • East Queens BRT
    • 12BPH
  • Crosstown LRT
    • 12TPH
  • Park Av BRT
    • 15BPH
  • Cross-Brooklyn BRT
    • 15BPH
  • Staten Island LRT
    • St George-Howland Hook: 5TPH
    • St George-Outerbridge: 10TPH
    • Hoboken (via HBLR)-Outerbridge: 5TPH
    • Hoboken (via HBLR)-St George: 7TPH
    • Outerbridge-Howland Hook: 1TPH
  • Lower Montauk LRT
    • Jamaica-Fresh Pond Jct: 18TPH
    • Fresh Pond Jct-E Williamsburg: 8TPH
    • Fresh Pond Jct-LIC: 10TPH

Thoughts @BM5 via Woodhaven@Train92 @GojiMet86 @LaGuardia Link N Tra @OrionVIIonM79 @T to Dyre Avenue @RailBus63?

LANDSLIDE AND EARTHQUAKE PREVENTION

weekends in July

•  service will be affected.
•  trains will operate between 137 St and South Ferry. Shuttle  trains will run between 207 St and 242 St.
  • shuttle buses will run between 137 St and 207 St
•  trains will operate between 181 St and Mott Av or Lefferts Blvd
  • shuttle buses will operate between 181 St and 207 St, with a stop at 207 St .
•  trains will operate between Utica Av and Burnside Av, with northbound trains skipping 170 St, Mt Eden Av, and 176 St
  • shuttle buses will operate from Woodlawn to Burnside Av
•  trains will operate between Stillwell Av and Tremont Av
  • shuttle buses will operate from Norwood to Tremont Av

11 hours ago, Collin said:

Signal Modernization

NIGHTS AND WEEKENDS JULY 1ST 2020 TO JULY 1ST 2021

trains will be rerouted and or terminate in alternate locations to support the installation of Communications Based Train Control signaling on the line.

 

Phase 1:  149th Street Grand Concourse to Times Square 42nd Street

trains will operate in two sections between Van Cortlandt Park 242nd Street and 96th Street and between South Ferry and Times Square 42nd Street.

trains will operate via the  between 149th Street Grand Concourse and Atlantic Avenue Barclays Center.

trains will operate every 20 minutes between New Lots Avenue and Times Square 42nd Street.

trains will be extended to New Lots Avenue to provide additional service.

42nd Street will operate at all times.

Extra  service will operate using longer trains.

Free shuttle buses will operate in two routes:

Between 149th Street Grand Concourse and 96th Street , stopping at 145th Street, 135th Street, 125th Street, 116th Street, Central Park North 110th Street, 110th Street Cathedral Parkway , 96th Street , and 96th Street .

Between 96th Street , and 59th Street Columbus Circle

 

Phase 2:  Times Square 42nd Street to Atlantic Avenue Barclays Center

trains will operate between Van Cortlandt Park 242nd Street and Times Square 42nd Street only.

trains will operate via the  between 149th Street Grand Concourse and Atlantic Avenue Barclays Center.

trains will operate between Harlem 148th Street and Times Square 42nd Street only.

42nd Street will operate at all times.

Extra  service will operate using longer trains.

A free out of system transfer will be available between Atlantic Avenue Barclays Center and Lafayette Avenue .

Free shuttle buses will operate between 149th Street Grand Concourse and 145th Street.

Phase 1:

Either you'd run special s or reroute the  to 145. Just the 6TPH of the  is NOT OK.

Also, Why not end the  at 137, then have shuttle buses run to 110th ?

Phase 2 is fine

17 hours ago, Deucey said:

But can we finally get a tunnel from SI to anywhere - especially a St George to Bay Ridge, Red Hook or Manhattan one?

Rona’s made me realize how much ferries are crap compromises to building useful things - even more so than they were before Rona hit this city.

Why not built a tunnel from a reactivated North Shore Line (or, if it's LRT, run it over the Bayonne Bridge), then run it with the HBLR (you'd need to construct new tracks), and then bore a tunnel to Manhattan? That'd be two short-ish tunnels instead of one MASSIVE one.

I'll make a map for this and tag you when it is done.

What is service like on the PVL and PJL?