Jova42R

On 4/18/2020 at 1:38 PM, OrionVIIonM79 said:

Thanks!

Sorry it is taking so long - Piskelapp is down, so I have to wait until it reboots!

1 hour ago, NY1635 said:

Any route that operates out of GWB. It's just so nice and pleasant. 

My critique with those is the 186. WHY DOESN'T IT GO TO CLOSTER?

10 hours ago, B35 via Church said:

I'd vie for option 1 (without the pointless stop in Governor's Island) over the other two options....

 

Maybe Governors Island could be a summer only stop?

Due to the construction of MidSouthLink,  service will be affected on weekends. 

•  trains will run local between Grand Central-42 St and Brooklyn Bridge-City Hall
•  trains will run from Pelham Bay Park and Grand Central-42 St
•  trains will run via the  to/from Broadway-Laffayette Sts, and then via the  to/from 145 St.
•  trains will run via the  from Jay St to West 4 St.
•  trains will run from Euclid Av to Jay St, then via the  to/from York St.

Key transfer points:

• Transfer between the  and  at Broadway-Laffayette-Bleecker Sts
• Transfer between the  and  at 7 Av-53 St
• Transfer between the  and  at West 4 St

3 hours ago, bobtehpanda said:

Actually, now that I think about it, I could imagine a scenario where a Nassau St line would be useful. It is, after all, a four track line in the middle of Manhattan, well-connected to other transfer hubs like Fulton-WTC, and it is large.

Consider this:

• SAS to Grand St & Manhattan Br
• to the Jamaica Line
• Four track Regional Rail to Nassau St line:
  • two tracks MNR and two tracks LIRR
  • one enlarged Fulton St stop
  • MNR to SI, LIRR to Atlantic
  • Connections to Montague and Williamsburg are broken.

I think that a midtown-brooklyn rail tunnel is a great idea, however, I have a slightly different proposal:

https://docs.google.com/document/d/11-DXwhlE_d-ouYARvX8P-yKntsrx_BjdQsnq2-g0QiM/edit?usp=sharing

1 minute ago, Cait Sith said:

Dude......the answer is LITERALLY IN MY POST! Pay attention and read what I said properly!

 

Whoops... What about 20810?

2 minutes ago, Cait Sith said:

You clearly did not read my previous post.
 

 

I thought that since this is the first time 20810 has tracked, I might say that.

12 minutes ago, Jova42R said:

Why is 20801 switching between Secaucus and Hoboken @davemackey @Cait Sith do you know?

Also, I asked a question at the end of my post

20810 is tracking......off the coast of africa. So is 20809. 20803 is at ironbound and 20801 is in Hoboken. Why is 20801 switching between Secaucus and Hoboken @davemackey @Cait Sith do you know?

@LaGuardia Link N Tra @mrsman @JeremiahC99 if we relocate the Transit Museum to Nassau St, then we could have the  to Brooklyn. My proposal is linked here. I think that for a museum on Nassau, we could have the following layout:

• Bowery is a la Canal and Chambers. SAS service on upper level, no track connections
• Canal is 1/3 of the bus section. NO ENTRANCES
• Grand St  becomes the north entrance, and northern end of excursion trains (new track connection to Nassau). This is 1/3 of the bus section.
• Chambers is half station exhibit, half excursion station. main entrance here
• Fulton becomes 1/3 of the bus section. Access by excursion trains from Broad, Grand, or Bowery
• Broad becomes the southern entrance, with a new platform south of the station for more exhibits.

EXCURSIONS WOULD RUN USING THE FOLLOWING PATTERNS, AND WOULD BE FREE WITH MUSEUM FARE:

• Grand - Chambers Outer - Broad (designated the  Grand-Broad Shuttle, blue on museum maps)
• Bowery - Canal - Chambers Outer - Broad (designated the  Nassau Shuttle, brown on museum maps)

I may post a map later of the services.

4 minutes ago, XcelsiorBoii4888 said:

 

@Jova42R We need something like this design that can work on both 3rd rail and battery electric. 

Why not the Class 756s?

And what type of trains is that one?

https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/British_Rail_Class_769 is a TMU, and could work.

10 hours ago, XcelsiorBoii4888 said:

Trust me, I'm 100% for electric running or battery electric. But these agencies are so stubborn with certain things, so I try to go with the current thinking. The MTA did say they want all buses to be electric by 2045, so they can actually do the same with the railroads as well. 

Basically, they need a lot of locations to charge these trains, but it can definitely work on the LIRR.

11 hours ago, XcelsiorBoii4888 said:

I can only speak for LIRR, but one thing I can note is whatever they plan on ordering will be restricted to one type of diesel/dual mode fleet. Too many different type of trains for limited branches is a waste of money and maintenance nightmare. 

I do personally believe that direct service into Penn and Grand Central on the Oyster Bay branch will be limited to peak only in the future. Therefore, you'll only need 5-6 cars for each train, and off peak can have 3-4. 

And for the Montauk branch it will only be for Cannonball runs. Obviously these trains will need full length trains (12+ cars). I do believe that frequency is a priority with the Cannonball runs, and double decker trains are the worst thing you can have on that branch. We can all safety assume that double decker trains are coming to an end with the LIRR after this C3 fleet. Especially with signal modifications allowing for more trains and single floor trains allowing for quicker boarding times. 

The Port Jefferson branch will probably be the only hybrid branch in the future, with plans to double track it before electrifying it. Most trains will run as shuttles from Port Jeff to Huntington with more frequency, and select trains will run the full branch from Penn Station, so I see full length dual mode trains being needed for that. 

The Greenport branch can only use maybe 1 train (married set) of whatever rolling stock they order, as I'm sure direct service will be eliminated (if it isn't already). 

Personally, I feel that none of those trains fit the LIRR, as they don't seem to have gangway or cross car capabilities on the cab ends, and that single door would only be useful for branches like the Greenport. 

 

But anyways, they would need one hybrid fleet type for the diesel territories and direct service extensions. Oyster Bay will need trains that are similar to 6 bilevels for rush hours, and 3-4 bilevels during weekday off peak and 6 on weekend off peak. Greenport will need trains that are similar to 2 bilevels. Port Jeff will need trains similar to 4 bilevels off peak and 6 bilevels peak (more frequency would require less single train capacity). Montauk can have trains that are similar to 4 bilevels all day besides the Cannonball trips. 

So maybe run all Stadler FLIRTs. Then just couple trains together. Running both types of Class 756s would result in any number of car lengths:

• 3 car
  • 1 756/3
  • Greenport Branch
• 4 car
  • 1 756/4
  • Oyster Bay Shuttles
  • Port Jefferson Shuttles
  • Montauk Shuttles
• 6 car
  • 2 756/3s
  • Oyster Bay Penn
  • Port Jefferson Penn
• 8 car
  • 2 756/4s
  • Port Jefferson Penn
• 9 car
  • 3 756/3s
  • None
• 12 car
  • 4 756/3s or 3 756/4s
  • Cannonball

Is this better?

5 hours ago, LaGuardia Link N Tra said:

We can already connect the to the Fulton Local tracks. Personally, I don't like the method that Vanshnookenraggen presented in his "Future of the Second Avenue Subway" blog even though that was not the main point of his article. The way I'd do it is by using the bellmouth's just south of Whitehall Street, run it under state street, then turn it to hit Schermehorn Street so that it could connect with the Transit Museum. The reason I prefer connecting the to Fulton as opposed to the (or SAS) is because it allows for better IND-BMT integration 

My plan for Broadway service:

 WOODLAWN - WEST BRONX - 2 AV - BWAY EXP - MANHATTAN BR - 4 AV - WEST END - CONEY ISLAND

THROGS NECK - CROSS/WEST BRONX - 2 AV - BWAY EXP - MANHATTAN BR - 4 AV - SEA BEACH - CONEY ISLAND

 ASTORIA - BWAY LCL - 4 AV - BAY RIDGE

 ASTORIA - BWAY LCL - RED HOOK - WINDSOR TERRACE

The  would utilize City Hall Lower (also a possible short-turn for  trains), then run in a new tunnel under Lower Manhattan, stopping at Fulton Center, John St, and Hanover Sq, then in a new underwater tunnel, leaving Manhattan at Broad St, then going under the bay, stopping at Governors Island, and arriving in Red Hook. It would then run down through Red Hook, across the neighborhood, and then in a new tunnel under 10 St then 7 Av to 20th St, where it'd terminate at a 3-track terminal purely for s.  trains would also run 7 days a week.

Thoughts @LaGuardia Link N Tra @darkstar8983 @Biggie @Lex @JeremiahC99?

Map for  here

4 hours ago, JeremiahC99 said:

Last time I posted a big plan, it involved the Nassau-8th Avenue connection and the new Lower Manhattan connections. In my earlier plan, I had the  to Metropolitan via the new connection and the  continuing to World Trade Center along the existing route. However, due to feedback that there would be reverse branching along the new connections, the plans have been revised. Under the new plan I am making, service to World Trade Center-Chambers Street would be discontinued. In my new plan, both the  and  would be rerouted over the Williamsburg Bridge, with the  replacing  service to Broadway Junction and the  going to Metropolitan Avenue as planned.  service would terminate at Essex Street. The  and  express would continue to service Canal Street and Chambers Street. As a result, this would mean that the World Trade Center station is now freed up for museum space (like Court Street, this station has two tracks and one island platform for the train exhibits). This location could be suitable for the new museum location due to its location near the World Trade Center area (potential for increased patronage) and most of the same lines that stop near the current location also converge over here as well. However, potential drawbacks at this location would be possible pedestrian flow problems, since this site is connected to an existing station, which will continue to receive subway service. Additional evaluation will be needed to determine how to accommodate the rest of the exhibits without interfering with pedestrian operations (the mezzanine to this platform is connected to the rest of the station). 

5 hours ago, LaGuardia Link N Tra said:

As for relocating the Transit Museum, its much easier said than done as there likely aren't any suitable places for one. You could build a new one at Avenue C, but that would be a disservice to those in Alphabet City. Might as well put up live exhibits where ever possible. 

In terms of a WTC museum, I'd just simply block off all the entrances to/from the mezzanine. The one thing that worries me about that, though, is isn't there a direct, one-hallway connection from the  to the downtown ?

Ok, here's a comprehensive plan to replace all LIRR/MNRR diesel service with DMUs or EDMUs:

• LIRR
  • Montauk Branch
    • Stadler FLIRT (specifically the Class 755 type) 8 CAR TRAIN
  • Greenport Branch
    • Stadler GTW 2 CAR TRAIN
      • or
    • ČD Class_844 2 CAR TRAIN
  • Port Jefferson Branch
    • Stadler FLIRT (specifically the Class 755 type) 6 CAR TRAIN
  • Oyster Bay Branch
    • Stadler FLIRT (specifically the Class 755 type) 6 CAR TRAIN
• MNRR
  • Harlem/Hudson Line Northern Section
    • Stadler FLIRT (specifically the Class 755 type) Harlem: 4 CAR TRAIN, Hudson: 8 CAR TRAIN
  • Waterbury
    • Nippon_Sharyo_DMU
  • Danbury
    • Stadler FLIRT (specifically the Class 755 type) 6 CAR TRAIN

Thoughts/CRITIQUES?

@XcelsiorBoii4888 @N6 Limited @67thAve @danielhg121

EDIT: Could these trains even fit on the LIRR/MNRR (in the tunnels?)

8 hours ago, FamousNYLover said:

That's not from NYCT or MTA Bus. It's from former MTA LIB fleet.

Oh ok.

45 minutes ago, Q43LTD said:

7 is all express buses under TA

2 hours ago, XcelsiorBoii4888 said:

Just follow the pattern. So SIM25... 7 is for staten island express buses. The second and third digit is the route 7,25,and the last is the destination, it can be anything from 0-9, depending on many readings it has and if the route number was used before. So SIM25 is definitely 725x...I'm not sure what the last digit is, maybe 0 and 1 for each direction. 

Thanks so much guys!

51 minutes ago, Q43LTD said:

That list hasn't been updated since 2016.

I know. I found the codes I wanted from an external source.

@XcelsiorBoii4888 no need to worry about responding

1 hour ago, XcelsiorBoii4888 said:

Sim22: 722x, 722x (the last digit is either a 0, 1, 2, 3, 4, or 5. Given that there was a X22 and X22A before with two codes each, it's probably 4 and 5.  IDK which shows Midtown and which shows Eltingville)

SIM26: 7260, 7261 most likely since that's the first 26 route bus on the island. 

Below is a public website of all sign codes, just so everyone is aware that I'm not giving away classified information. 

https://www.ttmg.org/transitwiki/MTA_Regional_Bus_Destination_Sign_Codes

 

And are you 100% sure about those codes?

1 hour ago, XcelsiorBoii4888 said:

Sim22: 722x, 722x (the last digit is either a 0, 1, 2, 3, 4, or 5. Given that there was a X22 and X22A before with two codes each, it's probably 4 and 5.  IDK which shows Midtown and which shows Eltingville)

SIM26: 7260, 7261 most likely since that's the first 26 route bus on the island. 

Below is a public website of all sign codes, just so everyone is aware that I'm not giving away classified information. 

https://www.ttmg.org/transitwiki/MTA_Regional_Bus_Destination_Sign_Codes

 

Thanks! Are these actually classified? And TTMG only has the old X routes (BTW the X1 code still works!)

Do you know the SIM25?

On 4/19/2020 at 11:27 PM, EastFlatbushLarry said:

all 'x' prefix routes are NYCTA

@EastFlatbushLarry @paulrivera speaking of this, does anyone know the codes for the SIM routes (especially the SIM22 and 26). Also, does anyone know the codes for the SIM23 and 24?

Hi all,

please use this thread to discuss Light Rail and propose routes. You can write about:

• Streetcars
• Trolleys
• LRT (Light Rail Transit)
• Light Metros
• Trams

Hope you enjoy this thread!

I'll start with a proposal for Northern Blvd Light Rail. This is a variant of what @LaGuardia Link N Tra, @gtNovaBusRTS9369, @mrsman and @Around the Horn proposed:

https://drive.google.com/open?id=1XYDafyiqwG22P3HyZMl-gLG2FB9_Kflv&usp=sharing

2 hours ago, mrsman said:

Some of the more recent posts led me to think of a new idea:

1) Realign the Manhattan Bridge tracks so that the 2 Manhattan bound tracks are on the north side of the bridge and the 2 Brooklyn bound tracks are on the south side

2) Redirect the 4 tracks to a new Canal station under Walker Street.  Cross platform transfers in each direction.  The inner tracks will connect to the Broadway express, and the outer tracks will continue west and connect to the 8th Ave express.  The station will still provide transfers to   and the new service along Centre St/Nassau St (see #6)

1 and 2) ✅

2 hours ago, mrsman said:

3) Realign the 8th Ave service.  8th Ave express: QBL express - 53rd Street - 8th Ave express - 4th Ave express - West End/Sea Beach.  8th Ave local:  Washington Heights/Bronx - CPW local - 8th Ave local-Fulton Street Brooklyn-Euclid/Lefferts/Far Rockaway

4) Realign the Broadway service.  Express: 2 Ave-Broadway express-Brighton exp and local.  Local: Astoria-Broadway local-4 Ave local.  Half of the locals will terminate at Whitehall and half will terminate at Bay Ridge.

3) ✅

4) Express service is good, however the locals SHOULD NOT terminate at Whitehall. 30TPH service from Astoria-Bway Lcl with CBTC, then locals go to City Hall Lower (), 12TPH. 18TPH continue to Bay Ridge (). The  would then follow this route to Windsor Terrace:

https://drive.google.com/open?id=1POqVjfSA8xoqRuCQTBbCwZvWbBhiNn5Y&usp=sharing

3 hours ago, mrsman said:

5) Realign the 6th Ave service.  Express:  Inwood/Bronx-CPW express-6th Ave express-Williamsburg Bridge-Myrtle or Jamaica.  Local: QBL local- 63rd street-6th Ave local-Culver line

6)  With the remaining capacity along the 4th Ave local, a train line from Delancey/Essex to Bay Ridge via Nassau Street.  Grand street station on the 6th Ave line will close, but service to the area will be accomplished with a stop at Bowery on this line.

5) ✅

6) Grand shouldn't close, so I'd say have SAS run through Grand. Would this Delancey-BR line run through Montague (let's call it the )?

3 hours ago, mrsman said:

Long term, with the extension of SAS, a few changes to the above will be made:

a) SAS service along 2 Ave will run to 2 Ave/Houston and then connect to the Nassau line from Bowery to Broad Street.  Half of SAS will terminate at Broad, and the other half will continue to Bay Ridge.  There will no longer be an in-service connection between Bowery and Delancey/Essex.

b) To make room for the expanded SAS, the Broadway express will go along 63rd street to QBL local instead of upper 2nd Ave.  The 6th Ave local will run with reduced service and will not run north of 57St/6Ave

a) Why not the  be the Delancey to Bowery line?

b) NO NO NO NO NO. NO BROADWAY ON QBL. PLEASE NO. Instead have a lower level and send lower 2 Av trains via a new 79th tunnel to 21 St, then via Astoria Blvd (Northern would be a LRT)

That's my feedback!

Hi all,

I have made a Bronx LRT/Trolley map. I know that street running is seen as not that great (as @Union Tpke, @XcelsiorBoii4888, @engineerboy6561 and @B35 via Church have said), but all of the street running sections (which makes up roughly 75-80% of the system) would run on DEDICATED bus lanes with DEDICATED LRT signals.

Here's the map:

https://drive.google.com/open?id=18NHwrP-Y3xCLjkjnhc0VyHPb8ZthWKZr&usp=sharing

In terms of each line, I think that most of these lines are meant to be subway-underserved area connectors, so BEFORE YOU SAY THAT ONLY 2 LINES CONNECT TO MANHATTAN, REALIZE THAT THIS IS NOT THE MAIN PURPOSE.

I would appreciate any feedback.

Thanks!

@Jova42R

6 hours ago, Lawrence St said:

Could this potentially lead to another similar 2010 budget cut? I could see the getting discontinued, again...

Probably no. If anything, they'll run the  via Montague.

2 minutes ago, LaGuardia Link N Tra said:

I get how you want to make the line transition. I’m just confused by how the trains would go underground in the original proposal that @Around the Horn made.

Maybe by destroying a bit of Fort Greene Park?

But that'd get massive community opposition.