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    Rockland County Bus Redesign

    in Other Transit Systems

    Posted

    1 hour ago, Deucey said:

    Since the new Tappan Zee was built without provision for rail, and would need a retrofit to do so - or built another bridge high enough for Neopanamax, you’ve just added billions to construct a rail line that’d almost never be used unless they lived in Westchester and wanted to go to Palisades.

    (Not to mention that the Thruway wouldn’t allow it because they’d lose toll revenue needed to pay the bridge’s bonds off.)

    According to this article, it is built with provision for rail. See below about routing:

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    However, the bridge was structurally built for expansion with BRT and/or commuter rail at a later date. 

     

    1 hour ago, OIG119 said:

    Perhaps the light rail system could better serve passengers if it had a branch to Nanuet and Spring Valley and/or was extended to White Plains. That might be too much of a HudsonLink duplicate, however.

    As for rolling stock DMUs like the Stadler GTWs on River LINE in New Jersey would be most appropriate. I don't think the system would have enough capacity to justify electrification.

    Extending to White Plains would be wasting money. However, I was thinking that a branch to Nanuet (Exit 14 Park and Ride?) may be a good idea. In terms of DMUs, would GTWs be best? Maybe a railcar with a higher capacity (GTWs can only have three cars)

    Thoughts on the bus routes?

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    Rockland County Bus Redesign

    in Other Transit Systems

    Posted · Edited by Jova42R

    21 minutes ago, engineerboy6561 said:

    The 99 might work out; I'm just not sure (since most trips to those places would now be 59->99 or 91->99 instead of being direct runs on the 91). I'd be interested to see how it plays out. I agree that the county center is a transit desert; it's just also the sort of spot where most people drive regardless of the bus's existence (density mostly under 3K people/square mile, median household income over 88K, 80+ percent single family homes along almost all the route except for Nanuet), so I'm not sure how well a bus serving those spots would be used. Maybe if you were able to coordinate the schedule with HudsonLink (have every other HudsonLink meet up with the 99 at Macy's) you could get ridership but I don't know how much.

    Another idea is to run the 98 from Suffern to Nycak via Montvale as a south Rockland connector, then have the 99 cross the Tappan Zee to Tarrytown (or run on the tramway that would have bus lanes)

    @LaGuardia Link N Tra @B35 via Church @Deucey @OIG119 @engineerboy6561 @Cait Sith @gtNovaBusRTS9369 @EastFlatbushLarry thoughts on the L96's rolling stock? Would DMUs be best, or would it be more feasible to electrify it. If DMUs, which ones?

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    Rockland County Bus Redesign

    in Other Transit Systems

    Posted

    35 minutes ago, engineerboy6561 said:

    So just to review:

    The 59 gets extended to Piermont from Nyack

    yes

    35 minutes ago, engineerboy6561 said:

    The 91 drops service to the county seat, Helen Hayes Hospital, and Yeager Health.

    It does stop at Helen Hayes, I just couldn't put it on the map.

    The map shows that it stops at Yeager

    35 minutes ago, engineerboy6561 said:

    The 92 drops its connections to the psych hospital and the industrial park

    The 92 is unchanged except for the extension to Piermont

     

    35 minutes ago, engineerboy6561 said:

    The 93 gets extended to Tuxedo

    The 94 gets extended to Jones Pt

    yes

    35 minutes ago, engineerboy6561 said:

    The 95 gets extended to Spring Valley and drops the deviation into Helen Hayes, as well as all West Haverstraw service

    it runs through Helen Hayes (I edited the map). The 99 runs through W Haverstraw

    35 minutes ago, engineerboy6561 said:

    The 96 light rail connects Harrington Park, NJ and Blauvelt, NY to Tarrytown MNR, just missing central Nyack

    yes

    35 minutes ago, engineerboy6561 said:

    The 97 looks basically unchanged

    it runs through Congers to better serve that area, but otherwise unchanged

    35 minutes ago, engineerboy6561 said:

    The 98 runs from Suffern to Stony Point via 202

    The 99 comes out of Montvale, runs near the turnpike, straight up to New City, then hitting all the county functions and Jawonio before taking 33 to Helen Hayes.

    yes.

    35 minutes ago, engineerboy6561 said:

    The 98 looks like it's gonna carry air; it's running through a really spread out area that's pretty well off for 95% of the route, with the exception of the termini. Most of the people who live near it are likely to drive.

    I din't know that, thanks for the advice! I've deleted it off the map.

    35 minutes ago, engineerboy6561 said:

    In practice, I'm not so sure because it looks like the 91 as it is is configured to connect the poorer, high-density patches of the county to the county seat and the hospitals, and the 99 doesn't really do that very well.

    It is meant to cross the central area of the county, which is currently a transit desert.

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    Rockland County Bus Redesign

    in Other Transit Systems

    Posted

    19 hours ago, Jova42R said:

    Hi all!

    I have made a redesign of Transit of Rockland’s bus routes. The goal is to improve service within the county, without having way too many routes. In addition, I have proposed a Rockland LRT that would run fromTarrytown to Sparkill, before splitting and running to Blauvelt and Harrington Park. This would most likely run DMUs, although @Collin and @B35 via Church would know better than me.

    This map DOES NOT include HudsonLink or the 3 TOR loops.

    map: 
    https://www.google.com/maps/d/u/0/viewer?hl=en&mid=1r1riyOY2yOI-0cmDIDbiNgdLMkCEdE0T&ll=41.12856620718155%2C-74.02538485000002&z=11

     

    Thoughts?

    One edit: I changed the name of the Light rail to the L96, not R96, to distinguish it from the buses.

    @B35 via Church @Lex @engineerboy6561 @Kriston Lewis @WillF40PH @Mnrr6131 Thoughts?

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    Rockland County Bus Redesign

    in Other Transit Systems

    Posted

    Hi all!

    I have made a redesign of Transit of Rockland’s bus routes. The goal is to improve service within the county, without having way too many routes. In addition, I have proposed a Rockland LRT that would run fromTarrytown to Sparkill, before splitting and running to Blauvelt and Harrington Park. This would most likely run DMUs, although @Collin and @B35 via Church would know better than me.

    This map DOES NOT include HudsonLink or the 3 TOR loops.

    map: 
    https://www.google.com/maps/d/u/0/viewer?hl=en&mid=1r1riyOY2yOI-0cmDIDbiNgdLMkCEdE0T&ll=41.12856620718155%2C-74.02538485000002&z=11

     

    Thoughts?

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    Department of Subways - Proposals/Ideas

    in New York City Subway

    Posted

    10 hours ago, Deucey said:

    Are you always this active drawing maps, or is it just because Rona has you stuck at home?

    (No diss - I used to stare at and redraw AAA maps when I was a kid in the 80s, and draw fictional maps on graph paper in the 90s.)

    Yes I am quite active drawing maps!

    This map is just so big that I have to work on it for a long time. Most maps I make are quite small, so this is a big-ish project

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    Department of Subways - Proposals/Ideas

    in New York City Subway

    Posted

    7 hours ago, bobtehpanda said:

     

    I think that a Part B of this (whichever one gets executed first is honestly whatever) is a second pair of tracks going parallel to the ESA - Atlantic tracks, but linking GCT to Hoboken and Staten Island.

    I personally like MNR-NJT better simply because those agencies have already proven to be able to work together and there is already equipment that operates on both networks.

    I've only suggested ESA to Atlantic since it allows for upgrading of northern LIRR lines as well, and because ESA has the benefit of being 150 feet under the ground, so it's a lot easier to weave that onto 3rd or something where there's room for a north-south rail tunnel.

     

    6 hours ago, engineerboy6561 said:

    That would be absolutely amazing to have; if you ran GCT-HOB via a new rail tunnel you could comfortably through run Morris and Essex/Gladstone/Montclair-Boonton trains up to CT using a mix of ALP45DP/46s, MLVIIIs and M8s (through running NEC and NJCL service would be limited to MLVIIs and ALP45DP/46s because of the transformer issue with the M8s. That would also get the NEC a backup route through NY if things went all to hell; dealing with the old Hudson River tubes would be much less of an issue because you could take them offline and route NEC service through GCT if needed (it would be a really ugly crunch if ESA had to deal with peak NYP volume from NJ, but you could do things like single track the tunnels during non-peak and weekend times without impacting service too heavily by just sending everything through GCT.

    I'm working on a Map for this, so it will be much easier to explain then, but my BASIC plan is:

    • Atlantic to GCT with a branch to Penn: 4 tracks (possibly 6)
      • branch at Broome St with a tunnel to Newport NJ, connection to HBLR.
    • Penn to GCT connector: 3 tracks
      • connects to a new lower level of GCT that runs from 3 Av to Madison, has 10 tracks.
        • track connections to Sunnyside Yard
        • track connections to ESA and MNR
      • Used for some NJT and some Amtrak trains as a termination location. This frees up space in Penn for more service
    • West Side Line
      • LOCAL service from Riverdale to 14th
      • re-activated High Line
        • 4 tracks, some LIRR trains will run down the center tracks and terminate at 14th St.
      • provisions for a tunnel to NJ from 14 St
    • HBLR gets rebuilt with 4 tracks
      • tunnel from 34 St, via MOTBY and St George, to Bay Ridge
        • track connections to HBLR
      • connector to the Broome St Tunnel from Harborside
      • provisions to connect with a proposed Staten Island LRT System (see my post here)
    • Regional Metro takeover of the following lines:
      • Port Washington
      • Far Rockaway
      • West Hempstead
      • Long Beach
    • Rolling Stock would be either a TMU (tri-modal multiple unit) with the following power sources
      • Third Rail
      • Catenary
      • Diesel
        • would this be needed, or could we electrify everything?

    Any thoughts? @engineerboy6561 @LaGuardia Link N Tra @Deucey @R32-DTrain @WillF40PH @Mnrr6131 @S78 via Hylan @BM5 via Woodhaven

     

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    Department of Subways - Proposals/Ideas

    in New York City Subway

    Posted

    1 minute ago, engineerboy6561 said:

    Here's the map; it's really ambitious and there are a few things I'd change now (namely reverse-branching the trunk with 2 Av and 6 Av services, and sending a couple of the 2 Av services via the Manhattan Bridge to provide 2 Av with access to  the Atlantic-Pacific transfer complex. The 10 Av corridor was mostly about "I have spare tph and am not sure where to put them; this would essentially fill the gap that the (7) extension would have filled if it hadn't been neutered, and the (Q) to LGA setup would require six tracks from 86 St to 72 St to allow for 60 2 Av tph plus the (Q). I added the (B) rearrangement to get one service out of DeKalb Av, and the (brownM) rearrangement makes room for a (V) to Church to allow for full time (F) express service between Church and Bergen.

    https://www.google.com/maps/d/drive?state={"ids"%3A["1zhIa6KPRstAdc6lm_hlyskX0SVHM7NPh"]%2C"action"%3A"open"%2C"userId"%3A"114356854643211448619"}&usp=sharing

    Still can't access it...

    I like the gist of the plan, but there are a few things that a map would really clear up. Maybe try copy-pasting the link directly form your browser?

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    Draft/(Unofficial) Long Island bus redesign

    in Nassau Inter-County Express

    Posted

    @lirr42 before I even get in to the buses (I don't know LI that well, @67thAve @BM5 via Woodhaven and others would know better), I have 3 major gripes with this plan:

    1. How on earth are you going to build some of your LRT/BRT lines. Some are fine, but some are running down roads that are packed with traffic and have virtually no room for a median-running line. And as @B35 via Church and @engineerboy6561 have said, IF IT DOESN'T HAVE ITS OWN MEDIAN, ITS NOT LRT\BRT
    2. Why is there such a complicated numbering scheme? Just make 2-3 letters per county and cap it at that (maybe N and A for Nassau and S and U for Suffolk)?
    3. Why are there no buses to Queens? That is a MAJOR source of revenue. In addition, any good NICE redesign would have an express bus to Manhattan.

     

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    Department of Subways - Proposals/Ideas

    in New York City Subway

    Posted

    32 minutes ago, bobtehpanda said:

    Build a tunnel between ESA and Atlantic, extend all LIRR platforms to 12-car LIRR lengths, and operate a London Underground/Crossrail type regional metro service, and boom you've got 24TPH of 1050-ft long trains barreling through Queens and Brooklyn. 

    If we actually do this, I think that it should 100% be looped in with TriboroRX, Lower Montauk, and Rockaway Beach. However, how would this work in terms of service patterns?

    Thoughts?

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    Department of Subways - Proposals/Ideas

    in New York City Subway

    Posted

    On 5/9/2020 at 10:23 PM, Trainmaster5 said:

    Re: your first sentence. Doesn’t the (1) travel in the West Bronx too ? Am I missing something ? Just curious. Carry on.

    It does not serve the University Av Corridor, which is where my proposed tram goes.

    @engineerboy6561 @Collin @Mnrr6131, or @WillF40PH would know better than me, but would it be better to extend the line up Goulden Av (the ROW of the aqueduct) to a terminus by Bainbridge Hospital, or is the current proposed terminus at VA Hospital better?

    Also, y'all may know this better than me: South of Tremont Av, is there room for a tram in the median or not?

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    Draft/(Unofficial) Long Island bus redesign

    in Nassau Inter-County Express

    Posted

    1 hour ago, lirr42 said:

    In a similar vein with the local bus network redesigns currently underway in the city, I thought it would be an interesting exercise to work out some ideas for redesigning the NICE/SCT/HART bus networks on Long Island.  I am curious if anyone here has any comments or thoughts...  The map below shows (roughly) the realigned routes and the particulars about frequency, connections, etc. shown in the descriptions.

    DRAFT LI Bus Redesign (v3)

     

    The draft network was imagined as a "clean slate", starting over from scratch with a much greater focus towards feeding the LIRR (instead of running largely duplicative routes), connecting rail lines to existing job hubs, and filling in the gas in the rail network (e.g. frequent north-south routes), along with an overall eye towards increasing frequency and decreasing the length of runs to improve reliability and save on down-time.  The redesigned network is meant to be viewed holistically and as part of a larger modernization effort for LI transit (including increasing frequency/speed and standardizing service patterns on the LIRR, and reducing fares to more affordable levels).  In other words, it shouldn't be thought of only in the context of existing routes, where there is demand for bus ridership now, etc.

    I'm curious to hear your thoughts and suggestions... Thanks

    I cannot access the map.

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    Department of Subways - Proposals/Ideas

    in New York City Subway

    Posted

    WEST BRONX LIGHT RAIL

    The Rationale

    The West Bronx is rather underserved, with the (4) being the only subway line, all the way on Jerome Av. Therefore, the :bus_bullet_bx3:, the main bus line through the area is usually packed with people. In addition, there is the old ROW of the Croton Aqueduct, running right alongside University Av. So, this corridor has massive ridership potential (as seen from paced :bus_bullet_bx3: buses), an already built ROW, and has no direct subway service. These are great criteria for a LRT line, so I think that it is warranted.

    The Specifics

    • Fleet
      • CAF Urbos 3
        • As there would not be catenary wires along 181 St (east of FW Av), the Urbos 3 is the best model to run.
    • TPH
      • Rush: 15TPH
      • Non-rush: 10TPH
      • Overnight: 5TPH
    • Yard
      • Half of Devoe Park becomes yard. All maintenance is done here, however there will be 2 layup tracks at 181 St for trams to lay up.

    The Map

    https://www.google.com/maps/d/drive?state={"ids"%3A["18Yvv-UrWQ1Qad6xwbRDq6O8akhjNjSu2"]%2C"action"%3A"open"%2C"userId"%3A"107668199648967475686"}&usp=sharing

     

    Thoughts @T to Dyre Avenue @engineerboy6561 @Collin @BreeddekalbL?

     

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