Jova42R

I have proposed a Queens TramLink as a joint effort with @WillF40PH. This incorporates many abandoned lines (as @LaGuardia Link N Tra @R68OnBroadway and others have proposed) , as well as new ROWs along many underutilized streets. This is a frequent, not-that-expensive to build system that would run on a frequent basis, allowing a vast expanse of Queens to have rail service that is environmentally friendly, very useful, and cheap.

Please see @WillF40PH's post below for the link to the doc and map.

I saw an Instagram post of 20803 on the 158 (coincidentally the same day I caught 9619 on the 158!)

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On 5/20/2020 at 11:04 AM, Silk City Transit said:

Very nice.  It's succinct, rational and would likely be quite useful.  The only change I would make is perhaps having the 617 going to Somerville instead of Raritan, as that is the county seat and has more offices and commerce, and maybe onward to Bridgewater Commons.  Other than that, looks pretty good.

Yes, I was considering that. Thoughts on the routing?

4 hours ago, BM5 via Woodhaven said:

The one thing I would change on the 617R is the routing in Princeton. You're missing quite a lot of most of the potential ridership generators within Princeton. I would have it go along Nassau Street (Route 27) & Harrison Street, so that it serves more of the commercial strip, more areas of Princeton University easier, and it also serves Princeton Health Center. As mentioned, I would also have it serve Somerville. You could run it via Somerset Street between Somerville towards Raritan, or you could alternatively send the route to Bridgewater Commons. 

The 614R I would restructure. Most of route 1 is highway-ish which would not lead to only a few stops placed in safe locations. Most people would likely still use the train to get to/from New Brunswick at Princeton Junction. Perhaps you could have it serve more of route 130. I would say route 27, but I believe some of it is already covered by Suburban Transit. 

Thanks for the comment about Princeton, had no idea!

with The 614R and Rt1, Keep in mind this is bus rapid transit. The stops are in the median, unlike A regular bus. However I would be open to changing the routing what do you think would be best?

32 minutes ago, B35 via Church said:

Eh, this is pretty much what I expected; straight routes on rt. 1 & rt. 33....

Pretty obvious your focus is on BRT here, but the emphasis IMO should be on basic network coverage (which is why I mentioned full service lines in a prior post)...

You mean like the #171 along rt. 4

Add this is BRT it HAS to run in a highway median. But this would be full service lines! there would be BRT passes and that’s how you would pay.

Yeah Getting on at most of the 171 stops is risking your life! This however would be in the median!

2 hours ago, B35 via Church said:

Harrington Park intermodal terminal? Using the Bay Ridge ROW to connect to Bayonne via St. George Ferry & Cape Liberty? Tearing up the hiking trail in Rockland county to ultimately connect New Jersey to Tarrytown?

What are we doing here.......

Cuomo Tappan Zee approach (NY side) & Bayonne bridge approach (SI side)......

Harrington Park: more of a transit center than a full blown terminal.

Bay Ridge: It was originally going to be just a Bay Ridge-Bayonne tunnel, but it would carry subways from St George to Bay Ridge, hence the stop in SI.

It could be a rails-by trails solution, that is quite a wide ROW.

Tappan Zee: so build a new approach - I thought that it would be ok with Light Rail trains (that is a LRT line)

Bayonne: What would be a better solution?

1 hour ago, B35 via Church said:

Most criticisms regarding NJT's bus network is that of in South Jersey, but I think Central Jersey's is worse... So lets see what you got here....

While transit in Central NJ is by no means plentiful, I believe the issue is more that the bus network (as in, its "reach") within & through that part of the state, is quite lacking.... I can get to Philly from Woodbine (google it) on one bus, yet god help you if you need to get between Red Bank & Princeton..... It's one of the reasons I came up with a Perth Amboy - Plainfield route some time ago....  Quite frankly, I thing Central NJ would benefit from full service lines (other than that of the #317)....

 

** btw, If you want people to see your map, you need to change the permissions....

Changed the permissions! Thoughts on the routes?

BTW, the frequencies would be:

• 614R
  • 10BPH
• 615R
  • 6BPH
• 616R
  • 10BPH (some short-turns at Trenton)
• 617R
  • 6BPH

All the rest is outlined in the doc.

Hi all,

Please see the Central NJ BRT proposal linked below:

https://docs.google.com/document/d/1rzGG3VVEdDdUrqGvDrRnkC4SXxCnLnBccscCMymN0Qw/edit#

Thoughts @B35 via Church @LaGuardia Link N Tra @S78 via Hylan @Cait Sith @T to Dyre Avenue @Q101 E Midtown?

1 minute ago, LaGuardia Link N Tra said:

That’s what I’m seeing in your map. 

They don't run in loops. Which loops are you seeing?

BTW, what should the service patterns be, do you think?

2 minutes ago, LaGuardia Link N Tra said:

okay.

see below vvv

7 minutes ago, Jova42R said:

But, wouldn't it be cheaper to use the High Line?

3 minutes ago, LaGuardia Link N Tra said:

It could. I just prefer the subway option over the LIRR option, that’s all. 

Ahh ok.

3 hours ago, LaGuardia Link N Tra said:

- First off, I'd like to ask "How the hell are Regional Rail Trains going to make the loops presented in your map?" Cause I can't see any Regional Rail Train being able to do that.

Why do they have to run in loops?

3 hours ago, LaGuardia Link N Tra said:

- Second, I'm gonna have to disagree with you on a Fort Hamilton Line. For the First Half of it, it imitates the Shuttle, then for the second half, it goes down Fort Hamilton Parkway and into NJ. Preferably, I'd like to see some SBS-type service or for the Franklin Shuttle to be extended to 9th Avenue via Fort Hamilton instead. 

- Third, I'd leave the high line alone. Its Better to extend the Train Up 10th Avenue. 

Ok, understood. But, wouldn't it be cheaper to use the High Line?

3 hours ago, LaGuardia Link N Tra said:

- RBB. While I agree with @bobtehpanda's idea of making it part of some C Division Class, I don't think that the line would prevail as a regional line. I know that the main push for reactivating the line is to give people at JFK a one Seat ride, but If the built the LIRR going to JFK via RBB, you wouldn't really get a big bang for your buck especially if you're coming from any terminal other than Terminal 1 because you would still have to make a transfer if you came from any of the other terminals. Personally, I think that connecting RBB to the subway would be easier (given that you Remove certain bottlenecks here and there like Queens Plaza, 59th-Columbus, and DeKalb) because it'll better serve those within the borough of Queens (especially the Rockaways which If I'm not mistaken, are the biggest advocates for reactivating the RBB). 

Could it not even work if it had track connections to the Atlantic Branch?

2 minutes ago, Via Garibaldi 8 said:

Not sure, but definitely small.  They do have decent AC most of the time except for really hot days:

This is one along Kappock Street in Spuyten Duyvil (Riverdale). 

Hudson Raillink schedules: http://web.mta.info/mnr/html/raillink/raillinkpage.htm

I've been requesting larger buses for years, but Metro-North says that our streets in Riverdale are too narrow for larger ones. We also have some residents that want eco-friendly buses that are quieter, which I would prefer as well.

 

 

Ok. Those look like 25-fters. I've been to Riverdale (and have friends who live there), and I think that 35-fters could work. And then you could run electric buses (Proterra BE35s)

On 5/11/2020 at 12:53 PM, engineerboy6561 said:

https://www.google.com/maps/d/view?mid=1zhIa6KPRstAdc6lm_hlyskX0SVHM7NPh&ll=40.7265655209285%2C-73.87552185000004&z=11

That should work. 

@bobtehpanda We'll likely need to replace the Jamaica el in 30-50 years anyway, we're getting a 2 Av line anyway, and we need a subway up 3rd anyway to keep the Lex from bursting at the seams. The marginal cost and pain in the ass of building those out with four tracks and enough junction work to provide a bunch of useful connections is likely lower than the marginal cost of building all that plus the ESA-Atlantic tunnel. I say you'll still need a whole bunch of subway trackage there because LIRR and MNR stations are somewhat farther apart than express subway stations, and you're not gonna be able to get a full 24tph through those stations because of what that does to commute time from outer suburbs (and the true capacity will be a lot lower because most MNR/LIRR trains are pretty full coming into the city, and the extra passengers from trying to use them would likely pack them pretty badly). 

Adding an ESA-Atlantic tunnel would be an awesome infrastructure project in its own right, and I would love to see it succeed, but I would do that alongside new four-track subway corridors rather than in lieu of them.

On 5/13/2020 at 12:33 AM, bobtehpanda said:

This would be accompanied by an Thameslink or Overground style service plan. Pretty much all the branches listed see, at best, half-hourly service off-peak today. Regional metro-style service would see this doubled to at least quarter-hour frequencies, and doubling the amount of trains being run would increase the number of seats even if you lopped off the middle seats. In addition, this would be accompanied by the replacement of conductors on these services with proof-of-payment, which would enable the slashing of fares.

The neat parlor trick is that this doesn't necessarily have to result in a decrease in jobs, if you can cascade the current trainsets and conductors on these regional metro lines to remaining LIRR commuter services to Huntington, PJ, Babylon, and Ronkonkoma, and boost capacity there. This also would probably be revenue positive despite the slashing in fares; we have seen that Atlantic Ticket, despite being confusing and poorly advertised, has still managed to be net positive in terms of revenue, because ridership has increased.

On 5/12/2020 at 10:10 PM, Jova42R said:

 

I'm working on a Map for this, so it will be much easier to explain then, but my BASIC plan is:

• Atlantic to GCT with a branch to Penn: 4 tracks (possibly 6)
  • branch at Broome St with a tunnel to Newport NJ, connection to HBLR.
• Penn to GCT connector: 3 tracks
  • connects to a new lower level of GCT that runs from 3 Av to Madison, has 10 tracks.
    • track connections to Sunnyside Yard
    • track connections to ESA and MNR
  • Used for some NJT and some Amtrak trains as a termination location. This frees up space in Penn for more service
• West Side Line
  • LOCAL service from Riverdale to 14th
  • re-activated High Line
    • 4 tracks, some LIRR trains will run down the center tracks and terminate at 14th St.
  • provisions for a tunnel to NJ from 14 St
• HBLR gets rebuilt with 4 tracks
  • tunnel from 34 St, via MOTBY and St George, to Bay Ridge
    • track connections to HBLR
  • connector to the Broome St Tunnel from Harborside
  • provisions to connect with a proposed Staten Island LRT System (see my post here)
• Regional Metro takeover of the following lines:
  • Port Washington
  • Far Rockaway
  • West Hempstead
  • Long Beach
• Rolling Stock would be either a TMU (tri-modal multiple unit) with the following power sources
  • Third Rail
  • Catenary
  • Diesel
    • would this be needed, or could we electrify everything?

Any thoughts? @engineerboy6561 @LaGuardia Link N Tra @Deucey @R32-DTrain @WillF40PH @Mnrr6131 @S78 via Hylan @BM5 via Woodhaven

 

On 5/12/2020 at 10:16 PM, Deucey said:

Are you always this active drawing maps, or is it just because Rona has you stuck at home?

(No diss - I used to stare at and redraw AAA maps when I was a kid in the 80s, and draw fictional maps on graph paper in the 90s.)

I finally finished my NYC Regional Metro Map!! Yay! Here's the link:

https://www.google.com/maps/d/u/0/edit?hl=en&mid=1lv3yCmRBFUWwFeuOSRyZ3vv9aTY4b8ZE&ll=40.89638287706388%2C-73.88160290112717&z=12

I added A LOT of new lines, thoughts anyone?

(NOTE: this is in addition to the takeover of the inner LIRR branches, as @bobtehpanda suggested. This map DOES NOT show that takeover. Just new lines!)

Thoughts @Jsunflyguy @LegoBrickBreaker101 @gtNovaBusRTS9369?

1 minute ago, Via Garibaldi 8 said:

The buses are Thomas Saf-T-Liner HDX buses. I don't know how many of them are uses for the Hudson Raillink, but they only run at two stations: The Riverdale station and the Spuyten Duyvil Metro-North stations, both located in Riverdale. They operate weekdays only. They at one point were parked in a garage just off of the Major Deegan. Not sure if that's the case now. The drivers and the service are both contracted out by the  . Each station has one route that runs most of the day. Route L for Spuyten Duyvil and Route C for Riverdale. During rush hour there are several lines that run to link up with specific trains. Right now during the pandemic, I believe only the main lines are running to link with each train.

 

Thanks! DO you know if they are 20' or 25' long buses?

Hi all!

Quick question - which buses does the Hudson Rail Link use?

How many of them? and what are the fleet numbers?

Any insight? @Via Garibaldi 8 as you use the service, do you know?

Thanks

@Jova42R

1 hour ago, davemackey said:

Not sure which garage they are going to but 17069 and 17070 now in NJT livery.

Those were Saddle River buses?

Correct me if I am wrong, but didn't they have a few 2001-3 buses?

1 minute ago, FamousNYLover said:

Have you taken Transport of Rockland before?

Yes, I have. Thoughts on the redesign (and the Light Rail)?

Just now, FamousNYLover said:

Garbage train derail might be realistic, but amtrak and NJT, LIRR hitting Flushing Line struction is not realistic.

15 minutes ago, Theli11 said:

I can't tell if this is a joke or irony or both..

 service is suspended, service ends at Prospect Park relaying on the middle track. 

service is from QB Plaza to Flushing, use Shuttle,   and trains for service to Manhattan. 

trains run on line from Rockefeller to 36 St via 63 Line.  trains run via the from W 4 St to Jackson Heights. Use train for Local Service to Queens Plaza

trains end at Rector St (though if it's just affecting the Loop the and shouldn't even be affected) the is running via Bridge, use  trains for Whitehall Service. 

 trains end at Bowling Green, relaying on the Uptown Bound track, (every 5 minutes), the train will run via the line. Use trains at Fulton Street. 

 

I think that all of these are realistic!

@Theli11 good reroutes!

Hi all,

I have amassed a rather large fleet of model trains (mainly wooden, but a few O Scale) over the years, and I was wondering if anyone wanted to buy or trade any trains.

I WANT (in Wooden Trains)

• Amtrak P42DC and Dash 8
• All Metro North locomotives
• Metro North Shoreliner III
• Amtrak Horizon
• VIA Rail Locomotive (any)
• Siemens S200
• Any Boston Tram
• CAF Urbos 3

I WANT (in O Scale)

• Any good or acceptable condition diesel freight locomotive (ideally a CNJ, PRR, Erie, or NH heritage unit)
• ACS-64 and AEM-7 in Amtrak colors
• Some more freight cars
• A few passenger cars

I have a VERY large fleet in wooden trains, so write below if you have one of the things I want, please tell me, and I will list what I'd trade it for

I HAVE (in O Scale)

• A 2-4-2 Steam Locomotive from Lionel
• Boxcar from UP
• Baggage Handling car from Amtrak
• Lionel "Polar Express" Set (Locomotive and 1 passenger car)
  • no tracks, use regular O Scale tracks
• Gondola from Lehigh Valley RR and Maine Central RR

P.S. @Deucey @Cait Sith @+Young+ @SevenEleven or one of the other mods, did I post this in the right place, or should I have posted it somewhere else? If the latter, feel free to move it.

On 5/14/2020 at 10:56 AM, Jova42R said:

Hi all!

This thread is now being combined with my other thread here:

Please make all your requests there!

@Deucey @SevenEleven @Harry @Cait Sith or one of the other mods, could you merge these two threads (as well as my Rollsign thread) and rename it Jova42R's Subway and Bus Signs?

Thank you!

@Jova42R

This means you can request subway signs as well here! I can do any of the following types:

• R32
• R42
• R68/A
• R62/8
• R211 (Front Sign)

15 hours ago, Maxwell179 said:

At 2:55 AM , a  southbound  overshoots 53rd St-7th Av and derails horribly causing a severe explosion temporarily knocking out all power in Manhattan from 59th St to 42nd St

How could a derailing train knock out power to half of Midtown?

Something a bit more realistic:

• A garbage train on the Bay Ridge Branch derails and spews toxic garbage onto the platform at Avenue H . This causes the closure of the station and all tracks except the NB express track (you can use that track)
• A slow moving NJT train in sunnyside Yard collides with an overspeeding Amtrak train, and they both knock into the support structures of the . As a precaution, The  line is closed Hunters Point Av to QB Plaza.
• A severe windstorm on the East River causes whirlpools between 50 St and 57 St. Because of this, the 53 St Tunnels are closed.
• A track fire inside the Bowling Green loop causes all trains in the area to not be able to pass. This affects the .

REROUTE AWAY!

15 hours ago, OIG119 said:

Perhaps the light rail system could better serve passengers if it had a branch to Nanuet and Spring Valley and/or was extended to White Plains. That might be too much of a HudsonLink duplicate, however.

As for rolling stock DMUs like the Stadler GTWs on River LINE in New Jersey would be most appropriate. I don't think the system would have enough capacity to justify electrification.

13 hours ago, Jova42R said:

According to this article, it is built with provision for rail. See below about routing:

 

Extending to White Plains would be wasting money. However, I was thinking that a branch to Nanuet (Exit 14 Park and Ride?) may be a good idea. In terms of DMUs, would GTWs be best? Maybe a railcar with a higher capacity (GTWs can only have three cars)

Thoughts on the bus routes?

Here is the revised L96:

https://www.google.com/maps/d/u/0/viewer?hl=en&mid=1iPIjl4bFkf6V_kXI-HNxBXnPEfQD3Uwh&ll=41.044106600536914%2C-74.01035990000003&z=11

And the details:

• Fleet
  • Stadler FLIRT DMU (TEXRail Spec)
  • @engineerboy6561 If I wanted to achieve the TPH l listed below, how many would I need?
• TPH
  • L96A branch: 4TPH
  • L96B branch: 4TPH
  • L96C branch: 7TPH
  • This makes for 15TPH across the bridge, and 8TPH to Sparkill.
  • In addition, during the rush, there are shuttles (designated L96S) that run from Tarrytown to Nyack-Artopee at 5TPH, so 20TPH across the bridge during the rush.

@Collin @OrionVIIonM79 @B35 via Church  @T to Dyre Avenue @MeeP15-9112 @MysteriousBtrain @LaGuardia Link N Tra @Around the Horn@limitednyc @Gotham Bus Co @Gotham Bus Co. Thoughts?

1 minute ago, B35 via Church said:

I'm sayin though....

If you have something & want to share it to the public, have at it.... If you don't want to publicly share whatever it is you have, don't publicly post that you have it.... Simple concept, really.... This is that whole, beg me for what I have, on some attention seeking crap..... If you're going to dangle something over my head like that, then you can keep it....

True. Sorry. If one of the mods could delete all these posts (mine, that is), thanks.

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Just now, Q43LTD said:

I'll keep that in mind

Ok?? I'm not just going to give out codes like crazy on here, though.

9 hours ago, OrionVIIonM79 said:

Maybe Getty Sq BxM3 and Craig/Hylan but I didn’t measure, just a guess

I'd say Craig/Hylan and Eastchester

Just now, Q43LTD said:

I meant for me. Since it's a Manhattan route, 2250 would be to the Hub, 2251 is to West Harlem or Manhattanville 

You should unsend that/delete it. Those are secret, right @Cait Sith?

Also, there is one top secret code that I know that I am not saying on here, but I will PM it to you if you want it.