Amtrak7 Posted January 1, 2010 Share #1 Posted January 1, 2010 Apparently, the B39 is just a glorifed little shuttle bus over the Williamsburg Bridge 24/7. What is its purpose anyway, considering that it reaches both stations on either side of the river? Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
SevenEleven Posted January 1, 2010 Share #2 Posted January 1, 2010 Well it is useful for when there is no service over the Willy B for whatever reason. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
R32 3348 Posted January 1, 2010 Share #3 Posted January 1, 2010 They could get rid of the B39 if they made Delancey - Essex St. ADA compliant, but that station looks like it's a bit of a hassle to make that station ADA compliant. Isn't this route slated to be axed in the upcoming service cuts though? Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
S78 via Hylan Posted January 2, 2010 Share #4 Posted January 2, 2010 They could get rid of the B39 if they made Delancey - Essex St. ADA compliant, but that station looks like it's a bit of a hassle to make that station ADA compliant. Isn't this route slated to be axed in the upcoming service cuts though? Yeah and the B51 as well. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Shortline Bus Posted January 2, 2010 Share #5 Posted January 2, 2010 dumb question. would not mergering the b39 with any nearby route such as the M14a ave branch or the b24 or q59 at the willie b terminal help? Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
NX Express Posted January 2, 2010 Share #6 Posted January 2, 2010 That would give the one less route to axe. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
R62A 1991 Posted January 2, 2010 Share #7 Posted January 2, 2010 dumb question. would not mergering the b39 with any nearby route such as the M14a ave branch or the b24 or q59 at the willie b terminal help? Depends on what you're trying to help. If you merge it with another line, it becomes subject to whatever delays that line is subject to as well (speaking from the M14A's perspective). That would maybe decrease the B39's reliability. But, it might be the only solution if it is on the chopping block. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
EE Broadway Local Posted January 2, 2010 Share #8 Posted January 2, 2010 Maybe a dumb question but is the B51 like the B39 - a short "bridge route"? Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Amtrak7 Posted January 2, 2010 Author Share #9 Posted January 2, 2010 Maybe a dumb question but is the B51 like the B39 - a short "bridge route"? Longer, but not much longer. It's weekday-only, unlike the B39. http://mta.info/nyct/bus/schedule/bkln/b051cur.pdf Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
EE Broadway Local Posted January 2, 2010 Share #10 Posted January 2, 2010 Thank You. Since the B39 runs weekdays and weekends what if it were to be extended west providing crosstown service on Spring and Prince Streets west of Allen Street (a crosstown route between the M22 and M8)? Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Zman Posted January 2, 2010 Share #11 Posted January 2, 2010 Considering the horrible traffic jams that plague the bridge Manhattan-bound, it wouldn't be prudent to extend another line to cover the B39; the replacement line would see its reliability plunge through the floor. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
EE Broadway Local Posted January 2, 2010 Share #12 Posted January 2, 2010 No, not cover the B39. What if the B39 were extended west of Allen, using, say, Spring and Prince Streets and becoming a new crosstown route between the M22 and M8? Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Zman Posted January 2, 2010 Share #13 Posted January 2, 2010 No, not cover the B39. What if the B39 were extended west of Allen, using, say, Spring and Prince Streets and becoming a new crosstown route between the M22 and M8? So when do you expect a bus to get off the bridge during rush hours? Again, the line would be unreliable. I guarantee you that today's B39 runs nowhere near the published timetable during the rush. Besides, there used to be an M8 Grand/Broome Sts crosstown, which was discontinued due to low ridership. I don't see that trend reversing itself. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Shortline Bus Posted January 2, 2010 Share #14 Posted January 2, 2010 Again even if the agreed to make essex station on the and lines accessible for the disabled and seniors it would ake 2-3 years to bulid. EE Local, only about 50-plus nyc subway stations are ada accessible for the disabled community as of dec 2009. Other than a merger i think the B39 service hours should be cut but not totally canned. IMO the B39 should run weekdays 5am-1230am weekdays saturdays 6am-11pm and sundays 8am-11pm. The often overlooks the ada issue on their bus ideas including the latest 2010 doomesday cuts. Until Acccess a Ride improves & more subway stations are ada accessible routes like the B51 and B39 are needed. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
St Louis Car 09 Posted January 2, 2010 Share #15 Posted January 2, 2010 Like I said about the B51,keep it. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Shortline Bus Posted January 2, 2010 Share #16 Posted January 2, 2010 Like I said about the B51,keep it. St Louis, if you keep the B39 would you accept my idea for compromise to reduce it to a bus rnning daily about 6am-midnight and 8am-11pm sundays? Driving by the willamsburg bridge late at night few times over last couple of years, the b39 always seems to have *zero* passengers Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
St Louis Car 09 Posted January 2, 2010 Share #17 Posted January 2, 2010 St Louis, if you keep the B39 would you accept my idea for compromise to reduce it to a bus rnning daily about 6am-midnight and 8am-11pm sundays? Driving by the willamsburg bridge late at night few times over last couple of years, the b39 always seems to have *zero* passengersI think thats a good Idea,considering that riders prefer to take the train over the bridge.And if there is still a decent amount of trains running late,then I can see reduced service in late night B39 service.For some they might prefer to take the bus into Brooklyn or Manhattan if they see it late at night to avoid the late subway ride home.:tup: Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
B35 via Church Posted January 2, 2010 Share #18 Posted January 2, 2010 dumb question. would not mergering the b39 with any nearby route such as the M14a ave branch or the b24 or q59 at the willie b terminal help? M14 has it's own nightmares it has to deal w/ in Manhattan along 14th st... that route is a lifeline for LES (lower east side) & East Village residents.... no point in merging the B39 with that... I definitely think something should happen with the B24... but sending it into manhattan, isn't it... Q59 got an extension to WBP a few mos. back... having that route head into manhattan would (further) delay that route.. remember, it still serves wythe/kent av's coming off grand, to get to/from WBP... for Q59's to access the bridge, it would require a(nother) stint of which is has to use indirect/circuitous routing... not worth it IMO..... I can't think of any extension/tweak of the B39 that would add any influx of ppl. opting to use the route.... at least on the Manhattan end anyway.... Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Shortline Bus Posted January 2, 2010 Share #19 Posted January 2, 2010 M14 has it's own nightmares it has to deal w/ in Manhattan along 14th st... that route is a lifeline for LES (lower east side) & East Village residents.... no point in merging the B39 with that... I definitely think something should happen with the B24... but sending it into manhattan, isn't it... Q59 got an extension to WBP a few mos. back... having that route head into manhattan would (further) delay that route.. remember, it still serves wythe/kent av's coming off grand, to get to/from WBP... for Q59's to access the bridge, it would require a(nother) stint of which is has to use indirect/circuitous routing... not worth it IMO..... I can't think of any extension/tweak of the B39 that would add any influx of ppl. opting to use the route.... at least on the Manhattan end anyway.... B35 in worst case scenrio other than a full cut to the route would you acceot as a compromise make this route run daily 6am-midnight until the essesx (F)subway station is ada accessible? I agree late night service should go on the b39. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
aemoreira81 Posted January 3, 2010 Share #20 Posted January 3, 2010 B35 in worst case scenrio other than a full cut to the route would you acceot as a compromise make this route run daily 6am-midnight until the essesx (F)subway station is ada accessible? I agree late night service should go on the b39. Interesting that you bring up ADA; if the MTA decides to eliminate the route, that could end up the subject of an ADA lawsuit in federal court. Disabled people who cannot climb up stairs but are not eligible for paratransit would have standing and merit to sue. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Shortline Bus Posted January 4, 2010 Share #21 Posted January 4, 2010 Interesting that you bring up ADA; if the MTA decides to eliminate the route, that could end up the subject of an ADA lawsuit in federal court. Disabled people who cannot climb up stairs but are not eligible for paratransit would have standing and merit to sue. Great point. That why i understood why about 10-12 years ago(1998-99) when the Essex Street station was being rehabed why the at that point did not install ada ramps/elevators? If they had done then, then the talk of the B39 being canned would have had more merit. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Q43LTD Posted January 4, 2010 Share #22 Posted January 4, 2010 Like I said before, if the MTA decides to cut bus routes that duplicate subway lines, there will be fines and lawsuits levied against them. Not all of their subway stations are ADA-compliant. What? Their best excuse will be, "We were trying to save money?" Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Shortline Bus Posted January 6, 2010 Share #23 Posted January 6, 2010 Like I said before, if the MTA decides to cut bus routes that duplicate subway lines, there will be fines and lawsuits levied against them. Not all of their subway stations are ADA-compliant. What? Their best excuse will be, "We were trying to save money?" Agreed. The is cutting on imo on wrong bus routes to 'balance their budget.' FYI. The B39 does get good ridership(i only seen it sro during rush hours in recent years)7 days a week. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Trainmaster5 Posted January 8, 2010 Share #24 Posted January 8, 2010 Like I said before, if the MTA decides to cut bus routes that duplicate subway lines, there will be fines and lawsuits levied against them. Not all of their subway stations are ADA-compliant. What? Their best excuse will be, "We were trying to save money?" It will cost them big time , no doubt about it. These buses and subway cars were purchased with federal monies (all or in part) and if you are not compliiant with the stipulations I can see the being forced to reimburse every last dime. You think the has a budget shortfall now ? Just wait for the s..t to hit the fan. I don't think our US Senators can help the get out of that fix. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Fresh Pond Posted January 8, 2010 Share #25 Posted January 8, 2010 How about this idea... Combine it with the B60 and turning it into a limited? If you look at at, its possible. And at nights just end service at the plaza. How's that sound? Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
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