R68A (Q) train?

[Roadcruiser1]

That's not my problem. I am just worried about what the steel dust is doing to the NTT's that is all.

[MattTrain]

What I find retarded about some of the reason for hating the NTT trains is that they relate failure of the fleet to a frozen digital display. Why? So far I've determined that said hatred are so friggen obsessed with the subway that they can microzoom in onto the slightest flaw. So why aren't you obsessed enough to know your line by heart to the point those digital displays aren't even needed for ya? Seriously get off your period and find something to do with your lives because obviously there's too much free time there if you can make that much of a deal out of a trifling problem.

 

You hit it right on the nose! :cool:

[m7zanr160s]

Wow, based on the way this thread has gone (foamers complaining about certain car types and acting like morons over a silly train), it seems to be the perfect time for me to return and launch my attack on you suckers. I have been waiting for this for quite sometime. Here are some things I must point out based on what I have seen with my own two eyes:

 

1. Except for Zach, Luis, and a few other overweight people, Brighton riders hate the R68/68As after finally realizing how fat and slow they truly are. I live at Sheepshead Bay and go to Hunter College five days a week. I alternate between riding the and and see the same results all the time. Going northbound, Q riders look ten times happier and more active than B riders and going southbound, people run for the Q like maniacs, but back away sternly from the B. They probably do not care that the B will return to normal express service later this year because they will keep riding the Q local like me for the mere fact that it uses better cars (I always take the over the for this reason and they especially hate to see the scenario where an R68 and R160 simultaneously leave a station and the Q accelerates quicker and leaves the B behind until it reaches the next local station). So no, you will not see R68/68As on the again and they need to be taken off the right away. Brighton riders are sick of those chubby chicks. They want cars that are fast and durable and the only car type other than the R160s that rank supreme in both categories is the sleek and shiny R32s. They are perfect on the part-time line.

 

2. Conversely, R68/68As would be perfect for the (A)/©. They go through the fattest neighborhoods in the city, so they should use the system's fattest cars. The obesity rates along Eighth Avenue, Fulton Street, and the Rockaways are astronomical; 4 out of 5 people need to go on a diet and I am sick of constantly being squeezed out of my seat by those chubbos.

 

3. IDK what is wrong with all of you, but R160s are great cars, a huge upgrade over the POS they replaced, and well liked by train crew and riders alike. Workers are happiest when they are assigned to operate an R160 and riders are overjoyed and fascinated every time an R160 train pulls up to their station. The cars they replaced had flaws that resulted in negative feedback from riders:

A) R32s: despite their superb durability and cosmetic condition, they are prone to mechanical failures after being pushed way beyond their limits to provide service on the and lines, two of the most heavily used in the system. Those two lines are plagued with impatient jerks holding car doors open and doing other stuff that damages the train. They need SMS and fast if they are to last another five to six years.

B) R38s: years of operating through Jamaica Bay and some of the worst neighborhoods in the city have resulted in severe rotting on their car bodies and lots of dirty and grime in their interiors. I have been to public toilets that were cleaner than these cars.

C) R40/40Ms: the slanted design proved dangerous and hideous for riders, who also hated their uncomfortable seats and bumpy rides. Nearby residents also hated them for their excessive rumbling while train crew hated their tiny compartments.

D): R42s: cosmetically and structurally, they are the absolute worst in the system with rusted car bodies, horrible graffiti and scrachitti (the BMT Jamaica Line is plagued with gang violence and graffiti artists), ugly interiors, and uncomfortable seats. IDK why they are still in service. They are useless since ENY has enough cars to make the (J)/(Z) exclusively R160s. If anything, they should send 50 R32s from 207th Street (there are 230 of them, but only 144 run at any given time) to ENY and retire the R42s already so that J/Z riders have one less misery to deal with. When I ride them, I am the only happy person on board and the only reason why I am happy is because the miserable look on everyone else's faces is downright amusing. That is the only thing that keeps me from going insane on an R42.

E) R44s: without a doubt, the biggest failures in NYCS history. 75 footers proved to be a huge step backward and you will never see another car type of that length as a result. The R44s are fat, slow, ugly, and have too many mechanical, structural, and technical problems. Every time I rode on them, something had to malfunction, from the doors to the lights to the air-conditioning, the list goes on. The once powerful St. Louis Car Company collapsed due to their defects.

 

4. The most mature thing to do if you are in love with a particular car type is to follow it wherever it goes. If you like the R32s, move to the line (Fulton Street or 8th Avenue). If you like the R68/68As, move to the and lines (West End, Grand Street, or Grand Concourse). If you like the R160s, then you are in luck because you can get them wherever you go. However, do not sacrifice other people's convenience for your own by asking the MTA to change car assignments because you want that way, especially if your fellow riders will not. Conversely, the most mature thing to do if you hate a particular car type is to avoid it all costs and not complain about them on transit forums. If you hate the R32s, avoid the . If you hate the R46s, avoid the . If you hate the R160s, then leave New York City. I still avoid my least favorite car types no matter what and it is not too hard now that all the ugly fatty R44s have been retired and they are only 50 rusted tin cans at ENY. So if I am on the (J)/(Z) and an R42 train comes, I do what all other riders do when they are not in a hurry; we do not get on board, we simply wait for the next train, which is guaranteed to be an R160A since NYCT never schedules two R42 trains to run consecutively. Last time I did that, I must have counted 10-15 people who did the same. The facial expressions J/Z riders make every time they see that the next incoming train consists of rusted tin cans are priceless and I sometimes give the train a nice kick in the shin or butt for making the lives of those who have to ride them a living hell.

 

5. Replacing old cars is the MTA's top priority no matter how big their budget deficit is. Why else do you think their capital plan already includes ordering replacement cars for the R62/62As and R68/68As even though they can last past 2030 with their superb stainless steel car bodies?

 

Ooh, letting all that out felt really good

 

Thanks for that post! I didn't agree with everything, but it sure was funny!

[Nova RTS 9147]

1. Except for Zach, Luis, and a few other overweight people, Brighton riders hate the R68/68As after finally realizing how fat and slow they truly are. I live at Sheepshead Bay and go to Hunter College five days a week. I alternate between riding the ( and and see the same results all the time. Going northbound, Q riders look ten times happier and more active than B riders and going southbound, people run for the Q like maniacs, but back away sternly from the B. They probably do not care that the B will return to normal express service later this year because they will keep riding the Q local like me for the mere fact that it uses better cars (I always take the over the for this reason and they especially hate to see the scenario where an R68 and R160 simultaneously leave a station and the Q accelerates quicker and leaves the B behind until it reaches the next local station). So no, you will not see R68/68As on the again and they need to be taken off the right away. Brighton riders are sick of those chubby chicks. They want cars that are fast and durable and the only car type other than the R160s that rank supreme in both categories is the sleek and shiny R32s. They are perfect on the part-time line.

 

2. Conversely, R68/68As would be perfect for the (A)/©. They go through the fattest neighborhoods in the city, so they should use the system's fattest cars. The obesity rates along Eighth Avenue, Fulton Street, and the Rockaways are astronomical; 4 out of 5 people need to go on a diet and I am sick of constantly being squeezed out of my seat by those chubbos.

 

 

1. riders are just as miserable as every other subway passenger, regardless of the fleet their line has.

 

2. That's retarded.

[Urbanfortitude]

Wow, based on the way this thread has gone (foamers complaining about certain car types and acting like morons over a silly train), it seems to be the perfect time for me to return and launch my attack on you suckers. I have been waiting for this for quite sometime. Here are some things I must point out based on what I have seen with my own two eyes:

 

extreme.long_rant("");

 

Ooh, letting all that out felt really good

 

 

I refer back to my previous post especially if you been sittin like a hawk waiting just to hypocritically attack people's rants with an equally bad one yourself.

[FlushingExpress]

I ride R68's on the everyday. How are they slow. Give me a reason. Their acceleration isn't poor, they are still fine, if they are given the SMS treatment they can last much longer, they sound like they can last longer, and they are still healthy from the day they left Kawasaki, and Westinghouse. They might be a bit rusty, but they are extremely healthy.

 

I don't know why everyone likes the new cars considering how the old cars have been doing the job for years. People just like gadgets that tell you the time. There is nothing wrong with taking your cellphone out in a train to read the time, and there is nothing wrong with the R32's, R42's, R46's, R62's, and R68's. Sure they might be old, but if given the right amount of treatment they would be fine. I wonder how long the R160's would last. We already know their new technology is causing them problems with the steel dust in the tunnels.

 

if you ride the R68s every day, you will be used to all its features, including its slow speed and acceleration. Like it or not, all subway cars have to retire eventually. nothing lasts forever on earth.

 

@Flushing Express I'm not sure if you shitted your pants today or what but....

1)If Brighton riders don't want the R68/A's I'm sure the ( would be damn near close to 100% R160 or some other fleet.But the older trains characterizes the line b\c of the colored bullet as for the NTT's its just a bold letter or number in red which ain't shit.

 

a certain now-banned member of this site once told me there were rumors that the MTA was planning to make both the and exclusively R160s and the exclusively R68/68As, but then that would make it impossible to tell the difference between the B and Q.

 

I don't mean to offend anyone by this so don't take this the wrong way, but you make it sound like it's some sort of honor to be working for the MTA? For me that's the last place I'd want to end up.

 

No, I do not plan to work for the MTA (if you look at my profile, you will see what my ultimate dream is). I cannot imagine working with everyone here 20 years from now and the dysfunction their opinions will create.

 

i hear u, but if i had the chance to work for the MTA, i'd take it.

 

If you do work for the MTA, I really hope you do not actually suggest those car assignment changes you made before my post, especially since R46s are not allowed to make revenue runs on the Brighton Line.

 

I hit the "thanks" button by accident of FlushingExpress's post, I meant to reply instead:

 

I understand the likes and dislikes, that's fine, but I think the Brighton riders like the R-68/As anyways as well as the R-160A/Bs. I can't believe you called Brighton Riders "fat". Did you really have to go that far, or am I misunderstanding what you just said.

 

And the name-calling, come on now.

 

I called the R68/68As "fat," not anyone or anything else.

 

Sorry people but this is gonna be a doozy of a post...might as well vent before its locked...

 

I never realized you left

 

There hasn't been a 32 on the in over a year now. Besides, the cars are 46 years old and satill pulling service past their life expectancy. That's a true example of a subway car (don't get me wrong, I want them to retire but they're not going anywhere yet)

 

How dare you talk like that. It has been proven time after time that you'll find stuff like that EVERYWHERE. Obviously the 42s are still here so that must mean they're good for something. Not everyone is miserable when a 42 shows up. I'm actually glad they're still here

 

I have not posted since April 2010 and the only reason the R32s and R42s are still in service is because of the structural problems with the R44s. Remember, the R160s were originally meant to replace all the SMEEs.

 

So because of ONE failure you saw the entire fleet sucks? Wow that's not biased and illogical at all.

 

Not for ALL upcoming trains. The design changes with the decade. Note how all the 60s trains (R32-R42) look pretty much the same, as do all the 70s trains (R44/R46) and the 80s trains (R68/R68A). Designs change; they don't just stick around forever.

 

It's amazing how quite a few people on this forum have a knack for finding the most minor flaws and use them to claim that a certain subway car won't last 40 years. Oh yes, those NTT's will fall apart someday. That someday is about 40 years from now. Do you know how I know? Because every subway car that we know of today has been built to run for around 40 years and not a single one shows any evidence of serious structural problems while significantly under the age of 40 (the R44s were all near 40 years old).

 

The R160s do not have any significant FIND issues. I don't know why people cling onto this problem even though it was only really a problem 2 years ago. I ride the five days a week and the last time I saw an R160 with an improper or frozen FIND display (which wasn't later corrected by the C/R) was 2 months ago if not more.

 

Maybe before saying the R160s make 1,000 failures per day, try and actually ride the cars with an open mind before spewing bullshit about the cars just because you don't like them. I'm not calling out anyone here because they have a preference for subway cars; I personally don't have one myself. Please explain to me some of these problems that occur 'easily' on the R160s and '1,000 times a day' though, because as someone who commutes daily on the (E)'s R160s ever since their introduction two years ago, I have never had significant problems on these cars (hmm, kinda like how I've never had major problems on any other subway car! Amazing isn't it?)

 

Seriously guys, with some of the things that are being said here, some of you are acting as if someone called your mother a whore. They're trains. They're not that big a deal...IDK how you can go on for so many pages bashing trains...

 

Thank you, Kris. You are the only person who posted something logical since 4:00 p.m. this afternoon. it is amazing how one's simple opinion is the spark needed to erupt the raging fire inside everyone and create a gigantic flame war. I seem to be the only winner in this battle as I was the only one who got what I wanted and that was proving my point. Caitsith was right in that the internet brings the worst out of everyone because they can hide behind the safety of their privacy settings.

[Daniel The Cool]

if you ride the R68s every day, you will be used to all its features, including its slow speed and acceleration. Like it or not, all subway cars have to retire eventually. nothing lasts forever on earth.

 

 

 

a certain now-banned member of this site once told me there were rumors that the MTA was planning to make both the ( and exclusively R160s and the exclusively R68/68As, but then that would make it impossible to tell the difference between the B and Q.

 

 

 

No, I do not plan to work for the MTA (if you look at my profile, you will see what my ultimate dream is). I cannot imagine working with everyone here 20 years from now and the dysfunction their opinions will create.

 

 

 

If you do work for the MTA, I really hope you do not actually suggest those car assignment changes you made before my post, especially since R46s are not allowed to make revenue runs on the Brighton Line.

 

 

 

I called the R68/68As "fat," not anyone or anything else.

 

 

 

I have not posted since April 2010 and the only reason the R32s and R42s are still in service is because of the structural problems with the R44s. Remember, the R160s were originally meant to replace all the SMEEs.

 

 

 

Thank you, Kris. You are the only person who posted something logical since 4:00 p.m. this afternoon. it is amazing how one's simple opinion is the spark needed to erupt the raging fire inside everyone and create a gigantic flame war. I seem to be the only winner in this battle as I was the only one who got what I wanted and that was proving my point. Caitsith was right in that the internet brings the worst out of everyone because they can hide behind the safety of their privacy settings.

 

actually you wasn't just calling R68/R68As fat. You were being ignorant.

 

1. Except for Zach, Luis, and a few other overweight people

 

Thats what you said

[LRG]

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Dude, your posts are beyond absurd and stupid. Just give up, you make no sense and are a failure to the railfan community.

[Gorgor]

Just out of curiosity, who here thinks that the subway was better in the 70s when everything was full of graffiti than compared to now?

[EE Broadway Local]

I don't think the subway was better, per say, but I do think we had variety: On the I.R.T. we had R12s, R14s, R15s, R17s, R21s, R22s, R26s, R28s, R29s, R33s, R36s; On the B.M.T./IND, we had R1-R9s, R10s, R16s, R27/R30s, R32 Brightliners, R34s, R38s, R40s, R42s, R44s. Windows opened from the top. Subway station platforms had vending machines and some stations had Nedicks.

Just out of curiosity, who here thinks that the subway was better in the 70s when everything was full of graffiti than compared to now?

[DJ MC]

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[LRG]

It's effing hilarious though! Man we're brining the new year in crazy alright.

[553 Bridgeton]

[Roadcruiser1]

Well I guess this thread already hit that iceberg of foam. It's sinking fast quick better start playing "Nearer My God to Thee".

[IRT Bronx Express]

[DJ MC]

Please, watch the Nazi Banksters Crimes Ripple Effect at http://jforjustice.co.uk/banksters

[LRG]

I see. As for the NTTs well I can respect them. The only NTT cars I would list as my favorite tough are these.

 

 

 

mine are these:

 

[IRT Bronx Express]

Hey, the R110B has a nice design too.

 

[DJ MC]

Please, watch the Nazi Banksters Crimes Ripple Effect at http://jforjustice.co.uk/banksters

[DJ MC]

Please, watch the Nazi Banksters Crimes Ripple Effect at http://jforjustice.co.uk/banksters

[Roadcruiser1]

The R110B is my favorite NTT. I hope someone would build a subway car like that in the future.

[Cait Sith]

 

:lock:

 

:lock::lock::lock:

[Roadcruiser1]

Yeah it's time this thread completely sinks. Time to put the lock down before the New Year begins.

[553 Bridgeton]

This thread went straight to hell. From a R68A to R110A/B.

[Roadcruiser1]

You know the thread to the R110A, and R110B still exist you know

http://www.nyctransitforums.com/forums/showthread.php?t=25795

Carry the talk there.