B35 via Church Posted August 19, 2011 Share #976 Posted August 19, 2011 - They'll find a way to screw CC out another Cy young... but then again, his last 2 starts before tonight's game might have sealed his fate in that regard, if verlander continues at the pace he's goin..... - far as rookie of the year, I can't think of anyone other than Nova.... maybe that kid Starlin Castro that's on the Cubs (think his name is).... - that HR of Morneau's that was called back, I still have yet to see anyone else's vantage points/camera angles... I'll tune into MLB network sometime before I go to bed tonight..... - as a franchise, the twins & the tigers are the most backwards assed teams in baseball right now.... I still can't get over them (tigers) gettin rid of granderson.... Verlander is more important to the Tigers this year, than Cliff Lee was to the Rangers during their push last year.... as for the twins, to build that big ass stadium when there's no burners (speed guys) that's prone to hitting doubles & triples.... Citifield made no sense the way the mets are built either, but at least they have a speedy guy like Reyes that's good for a bunch of xbh's.... Twins are filled with a bunch of power hitters & singles hitters.... - as for Boston... Epstein said it himself before the season began; he built the team this season to beat the Yankees..... I'm not surprised when they get beat in series' by teams like the mariners, rays, angels, orioles (who seem to have their number, in years past)..... generally, you beat the yankees by tryin to play them close on the scoreboard, whether you're ahead or down by like a run or two (Mo's biggest weakness is pitching in tie games, or otherwise non save situations)... you beat the red sox by outhitting them &/or running the bases like mad (whether via the SB, or stretching singles into doubles, or doubles into triples wherever possible).... Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
R68 Subway Car Posted August 19, 2011 Share #977 Posted August 19, 2011 Talk about a crappy loss by the Rangers tonight/today. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
7LineFan Posted August 19, 2011 Share #978 Posted August 19, 2011 You can't blame the dimensions for Target Field's lack of home runs. Left center and right center are closer to the plate than at Yankee Stadium. Granted, there is a high wall in right at Target, but even so, as that blog post points out, the dimensions are strikingly similar to the Metrodome. Supposedly it's the wind. Citi, though, is just ridiculous. Ok, fine, the dimensions down the line have to be at least 325, and center 400. But those "quirks" they throw in to make the park seem more "retro" like the very high wall in left or that recess in right field are just stupid. At the very least, it's not 480 to center. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
JubaionBx12+SBS Posted August 19, 2011 Share #979 Posted August 19, 2011 What happened to the art of a tape measure home run? A real power hitter should be able to hit it out of any park. I have no problem with Citi Field's dimensions. Jason Bay is an overrated hitter who was protected by a strong lineup in Boston and therefore got pitches to hit. A home run hitter in Fenway Park doesn't have to be a power guy. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
R68 Subway Car Posted August 19, 2011 Share #980 Posted August 19, 2011 My problem with Citi's dimensions is that it has killed David Wright's production. Balls that are crushed end up being flyouts where as they would be gone out of most MLB stadiums. Why couldn't the Mets keep the dimensions from Shea? As the saying goes, Keep it Simple, Stupid. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
R68 Subway Car Posted August 19, 2011 Share #981 Posted August 19, 2011 BTW, the Giants are fading fast. They cannot score runs to save their life. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
R68 Subway Car Posted August 19, 2011 Share #982 Posted August 19, 2011 In my opinion, Kirk Gibson is the Manager of the Year. He took a team who expected to finish dead last and turned them into a first place team on the verge of making the playoffs. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
JubaionBx12+SBS Posted August 19, 2011 Share #983 Posted August 19, 2011 BTW, the Giants are fading fast. They cannot score runs to save their life. I guess Beltran isn't helping them. Good Luck defending that title Giants! Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
B35 via Church Posted August 19, 2011 Share #984 Posted August 19, 2011 You can't blame the dimensions for Target Field's lack of home runs. Left center and right center are closer to the plate than at Yankee Stadium. Granted, there is a high wall in right at Target, but even so, as that blog post points out, the dimensions are strikingly similar to the Metrodome. Supposedly it's the wind. Citi, though, is just ridiculous. Ok, fine, the dimensions down the line have to be at least 325, and center 400. But those "quirks" they throw in to make the park seem more "retro" like the very high wall in left or that recess in right field are just stupid. At the very least, it's not 480 to center. yeah, but yankuh stadium is 314 to right, 318 to left.... most HR's are hit b/w the diagonals & the corners.... asking your righties (especially the ones the twins currently got; their best righty is cuddyer) to blast one 340 feet to left is a bit much.... and that wall in right aint helpin all that much for their lefties (Mauer, Morneau, Thome) either..... speakin of motha nature..... when they first opened up the new yankee stadium, supposedly it was the wind that was a huge factor as to why balls were flying over the RF wall like mad.... In my opinion, Kirk Gibson is the Manager of the Year. He took a team who expected to finish dead last and turned them into a first place team on the verge of making the playoffs. Agreed. I guess Beltran isn't helping them. Good Luck defending that title Giants! right now, Beltran's on the DL; some type of hand injury..... Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
7LineFan Posted August 19, 2011 Share #985 Posted August 19, 2011 yeah, but yankuh stadium is 314 to right, 318 to left.... most HR's are hit b/w the diagonals & the corners.... asking your righties (especially the ones the twins currently got; their best righty is cuddyer) to blast one 340 feet to left is a bit much.... and that wall in right aint helpin all that much for their lefties (Mauer, Morneau, Thome) either..... speakin of motha nature..... when they first opened up the new yankee stadium, supposedly it was the wind that was a huge factor as to why balls were flying over the RF wall like mad.... Other teams can do it. Most other ballparks are between 330 and 340 out to left. Then again, those teams aren't the Twins. Or the Mets. Point still stands, though, that since the dimensions are similar to what they had at the Metrodome you can't really call the field big. It's still not Citi Field. Gotta look into other reasons. Of course the Yankees then walk in and make the park seem small. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
B35 via Church Posted August 19, 2011 Share #986 Posted August 19, 2011 Other teams can do it. Most other ballparks are between 330 and 340 out to left. Then again, those teams aren't the Twins. Or the Mets. Point still stands, though, that since the dimensions are similar to what they had at the Metrodome you can't really call the field big. It's still not Citi Field. Gotta look into other reasons. Comparing the metrodome to target field, and then using that to tell me target field isn't big, isn't saying much of anything..... the metrodome wasn't exactly considered a small ballpark back then either.... You're makin it sound like target is your average ballpark in terms of dimensions; it's not.... Other teams can do it b/c they're built differently.... lol... The twins & the mets are not built for the ballparks they play in (personnel-wise)... that's where you blame ownership & management..... As far as lookin into other factors, I never said dimensions are the only factor..... I'm sayin it's the main factor... havin the mets, giants (which is another big ballpark), and twins all in the bottom 3rd of the league in HR totals, justifies that... Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
YankeesPwnMets Posted August 19, 2011 Share #987 Posted August 19, 2011 BTW, the Giants are fading fast. They cannot score runs to save their life. In my opinion, the big offensive teams like the Yankees and Red Sox can beat the Giants even though the Giants have dominant pitching. They are just lucky they didn't face either the Sox or the Yanks during Interleague play. The Giants have been relying on pitching for too long. Any good offensive team should be able to outslug them one day. Pitching isn't going to keep them a float for very long. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
7LineFan Posted August 19, 2011 Share #988 Posted August 19, 2011 Comparing the metrodome to target field, and then using that to tell me target field isn't big, isn't saying much of anything..... the metrodome wasn't exactly considered a small ballpark back then either.... You're makin it sound like target is your average ballpark in terms of dimensions; it's not.... Give me the dimensions, then, of what you would consider an average ballpark, because the Metrodome was definitely more homer happy than Target Field. The twins & the mets are not built for the ballparks they play in (personnel-wise)... that's where you blame ownership & management..... I think we can agree on this. This is what I see as the main problem, not the ballparks themselves. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Shortline Bus Posted August 19, 2011 Share #989 Posted August 19, 2011 In my opinion, the big offensive teams like the Yankees and Red Sox can beat the Giants even though the Giants have dominant pitching. They are just lucky they didn't face either the Sox or the Yanks during Interleague play. The Giants have been relying on pitching for too long. Any good offensive team should be able to outslug them one day. Pitching isn't going to keep them a float for very long. Being fair bro(Yanksmets)offense is very important in the regular season along with at least a descent pitching staff. It's during the post season that pitching wins your team championships. In particuarly in last 30 years or so, from Sutter, "Eck' to Rivera, bullpen 'closers' is a must have key part of that picthing staff as well. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
R68 Subway Car Posted August 19, 2011 Share #990 Posted August 19, 2011 The Cubs just B7ed Jim Hendry. About time they got rid of that idiot. Maybe this is the first step in ending this 103 Year Streak of no World Series Titles. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
cotb16 Posted August 19, 2011 Share #991 Posted August 19, 2011 - They'll find a way to screw CC out another Cy young... but then again, his last 2 starts before tonight's game might have sealed his fate in that regard, if verlander continues at the pace he's goin..... - far as rookie of the year, I can't think of anyone other than Nova.... maybe that kid Starlin Castro that's on the Cubs (think his name is).... - that HR of Morneau's that was called back, I still have yet to see anyone else's vantage points/camera angles... I'll tune into MLB network sometime before I go to bed tonight..... - as a franchise, the twins & the tigers are the most backwards assed teams in baseball right now.... I still can't get over them (tigers) gettin rid of granderson.... Verlander is more important to the Tigers this year, than Cliff Lee was to the Rangers during their push last year.... as for the twins, to build that big ass stadium when there's no burners (speed guys) that's prone to hitting doubles & triples.... Citifield made no sense the way the mets are built either, but at least they have a speedy guy like Reyes that's good for a bunch of xbh's.... Twins are filled with a bunch of power hitters & singles hitters.... - as for Boston... Epstein said it himself before the season began; he built the team this season to beat the Yankees..... I'm not surprised when they get beat in series' by teams like the mariners, rays, angels, orioles (who seem to have their number, in years past)..... generally, you beat the yankees by tryin to play them close on the scoreboard, whether you're ahead or down by like a run or two (Mo's biggest weakness is pitching in tie games, or otherwise non save situations)... you beat the red sox by outhitting them &/or running the bases like mad (whether via the SB, or stretching singles into doubles, or doubles into triples wherever possible).... For Rookie of the Year, Starlin Castro is ineligible since this is his second full season with the Cubs. I would have to go with Freddie Freeman (1st baseman from Atlanta) since he's hitting about .293 with 60 RBI and 16 HR. In the American League, it could be Mark Trumbo from the Angels (who replaced the injured Kendrys Morales at 1st base) or rookie pitching sensation Michael Pineda from Seattle. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Shortline Bus Posted August 19, 2011 Share #992 Posted August 19, 2011 The Cubs just B7ed Jim Hendry. About time they got rid of that idiot. Maybe this is the first step in ending this 103 Year Streak of no World Series Titles. Being fair, if Moses Alou makes that catch in the Steve Bartman game of the 2003 NLCS, the Cubs make the world series that year and maybe even beats the Yanks. So early on, Hendry did a good job. It in recent years by overpaying and giving those ridculus contract extensions, that Hendry set the club backwards. With new ownership the Ricketts family just taking over a couple of years ago, this is their first critical hire that could make or break the Cubs for next 5-10 years. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
B35 via Church Posted August 19, 2011 Share #993 Posted August 19, 2011 Give me the dimensions, then, of what you would consider an average ballpark, because the Metrodome was definitely more homer happy than Target Field. You keep using the old Metrodome as a metric, but to answer your little question..... 330 to each of the corners 375 to each of the diagonals 402 to straight away centerfield anything bigger than that IMO, is considered to be a big ballpark... 408 to center is not average 339 to left is not average 377 to left center is a little above average 367 to right center is small, hence the 20 something foot wall out in right center to make it a lot more difficult 328 to right is small... the wall out there makes it a little more difficult (not as easy) to hit HR's.... - It's a big ballpark... it being smaller than the old Metrodome doesn't dismiss that.... - Citi-field is ridiculous in its own right; Target field doesn't have to have citi field like dimensions to be considered big.... Justin Morneau's (a HR hitter in his own right) take on his home field.... http://sports.espn.go.com/mlb/news/story?id=5796135 You can keep downplaying field dimensions if you like.... Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
YankeesPwnMets Posted August 19, 2011 Share #994 Posted August 19, 2011 Left Field - 339 feet (103 m) Left-Center - 377 feet (115 m) Center Field left corner - 411 feet (125 m) Center Field right corner - 403 feet (123 m) Right-Center - 365 feet (111 m) Right Field - 328 feet (100 m) If you don't consider that a big ballpark, I don't know what is. Also, those insanely high walls probably require a ball hit an even LONGER distance then what is mention on Wikipedia. Right field is like a failed version of the Green Monster. It's too far and high to hit a HR over, but it's low enough that a lot of balls near the wall can still be caught by the right fielder. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Shortline Bus Posted August 19, 2011 Share #995 Posted August 19, 2011 In my opinion, Kirk Gibson is the Manager of the Year. He took a team who expected to finish dead last and turned them into a first place team on the verge of making the playoffs. Yup. For a while it looked Clint Hurdle was a lock for NL manager of the year. However since the Pirates at best will finish in 2nd place probably in NL Central, Gibson has to get it. In AL, not that many choices. Probably will go to either Manny Acta since the Indians have been in contention in AL Central all season. Another possible choice though less likely is Jim Leyland despite fact the Tigers are a slight surprise. (most where picking the Twins in pre season here) Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
7LineFan Posted August 20, 2011 Share #996 Posted August 20, 2011 If you don't consider that a big ballpark, I don't know what is. Also, those insanely high walls probably require a ball hit an even LONGER distance then what is mention on Wikipedia. Right field is like a failed version of the Green Monster. It's too far and high to hit a HR over, but it's low enough that a lot of balls near the wall can still be caught by the right fielder. So it's below average, but still too far to hit a home run over. And if the ball can be caught by the right fielder, it doesn't matter how high the wall is. You want big? How about pre-renovation Yankee Stadium. 400 feet or better from straightaway left all the way to right center, and over 450 from left center to center. Polo Grounds III. 480 to dead center. Shibe Park in 1950. I'm still of the opinion that Target only plays bigger than it really is. Teams like the Yankees march in and make the place seem like a bandbox. The problem is that it wasn't designed for the players they have. All the same, I don't want to be seeing power alley dimensions at 350 because people want more home runs. Just for clarification, my standards for a big park: Anything over: 340 down the lines 380 to the power alleys 405 to dead center Wall height between 8 and 10 feet Maybe I just have high standards. Yankee Stadium was the only stadium I knew about for a long while. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
B35 via Church Posted August 20, 2011 Share #997 Posted August 20, 2011 ^^ no one's askin for 350 to the diagonals... that's just stupid.... Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
alejr88 Posted August 20, 2011 Share #998 Posted August 20, 2011 NL MOY - Kirk Gibson AL MOY - Manny Acta AL CY - Justin Verlander NL CY - Roy Halladay AL MVP - sadly Dustin Pedroia NL MVP - Justin Upton over Matt Kemp AL ROY - Michael Pineda over Mark Trumbo NL ROY - Craig Kimbrel ALE - Yankees ALC - Indians ALW - Rangers NLE - Phillies NLC - Brewers NLW - Diamondbacks ALWC - Red Sox NLWC - Braves I'm predicting this as of August 20, 2011. My predictions could come off wrong obviously because one cannot predict baseball. @7linefan: To me those dimensions do not mean much when the Yankees are in town. I remember one time David Wright mentioned that no right handed hitter could hit an opposite home run at Citi Field until Alex Rodriguez did it in 2009. I think it was on that same game Brett Gardner had 5 hits. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
PATCOman Posted August 20, 2011 Share #999 Posted August 20, 2011 All of you talking about park dimensions, check this site out: http://www.andrewclem.com/Baseball.php Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
7LineFan Posted August 20, 2011 Share #1000 Posted August 20, 2011 ^^ no one's askin for 350 to the diagonals... that's just stupid.... Well that's what it seems like. Everyone's complaining that there are fewer home runs from these guys. How do they want to increase that number? Move the walls in. Some parks need to, some parks really don't. @alejr88 -- The Yankees can make any park seem small. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
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