official Subway - What If?

[TheSubwayStation]

I've mentioned Essex as a terminal before (here and elsewhere) and I've gotten mentions about how that station is no longer suited to be a terminal.

 

While in my scenario I do have four lines between Broadway-Lafayette and West 4th, do keep in mind I only have half of the line (Lefferts branch) running through there, while the I have going through there to replace the Obviously, delays would be expected, especially when you have to work around TWO problems at once

 

What it really shows is what happens when you have a double whammy like this scenario happens and you try to keep as much service overall as possible.

 

Remember, though, you're putting about 39-40 TPH onto one track.

[Threxx]

NEXT:

 

The Manhattan Bridge fails, and the lower level has a hole ripped apart in it, crippling service. however, under the strangest of strange circumstances, the upper level survives and is passable by vehicles. Reroute the , and keep in mind vehicles can still travel on the upper level.

 

 

Ok...

 

and trains run via tunnel. trains run via Broadway Line to 34th Street, and run via 6th Avenue line 34th Street-205th Street or Bedford Park Blvd, combined w/the . trains run w/ trains as mentioned. Brooklyn trains terminate at Atlantic Avenue.

 

Shuttle buses operate between Bowery station and Atlantic Avenue-Barclays Center to help replace Sixth Avenue bridge service.

[Brighton Express]

NEXT:

The Manhattan Bridge fails, and the lower level has a hole ripped apart in it, crippling service. however, under the strangest of strange circumstances, the upper level survives and is passable by vehicles. Reroute the , and keep in mind vehicles can still travel on the upper level.

 

 

2 Av to Bedford Park Blvd (6 Av Express/CPW/Grand CC Local)

Coney Island to 205 St (Culver/PS/Viaduct/6 Av/CPW/Grand CC Express)

Astoria Ditmars to Coney Island (Astoria/Broadway/4 Av/Sea Beach Local)

Astoria Ditmars to Coney Island (Astoria/West End Local/Broadway/4 Av Express)

Atlantic Av to Coney Island (Brighton Local)

 

NOTE

[RUSH HOUR] Trains run 4 Av Express/West End Local to Bay Parkway/Coney Island

[RUSH HOUR] Trains run West End Express between 9 Av and Coney Island

[sOUTHBOUND SELECT] Trains may turn at Whitehall St

[RUSH HOUR SELECT] Trains run Brighton Express between Prospect Park and Ocean Pkwy

[TrainFanInfinity]

Atlantic Av to Coney Island (Brighton Local)

 

 

Trains can't terminate at Atlantic Avenue, the switch was removed.

[Brighton Express]

Trains can't terminate at Atlantic Avenue, the switch was removed.

 

 

I guess you have never seen the trains when they go to Atlantic Av. Smh. I will explain.

 

trains, in this case, will switch to the required track while entering Prospect Park. Some will wrong rail going into Atlantic Av, some will wrong rail going out. Trains can terminate at Prospect Park to reduce clogging.

[TrainFanInfinity]

NEXT:

 

The Manhattan Bridge fails, and the lower level has a hole ripped apart in it, crippling service. however, under the strangest of strange circumstances, the upper level survives and is passable by vehicles. Reroute the , and keep in mind vehicles can still travel on the upper level.

 

 

No service b/w West 4 Street & Brooklyn.

Two sections:

The Bronx to West 4 Street.

Times Square-42 Street to Brooklyn via Broadway Express.

Via Tunnel.

 

TPH:

Rush Hour:

: 8 TPH

6 TPH

Total = 30TPH

Noon:

: 8 TPH each = 24 TPH

 

 

I guess you have never seen the trains when they go to Atlantic Av. Smh. I will explain.

 

trains, in this case, will switch to the required track while entering Prospect Park. Some will wrong rail going into Atlantic Av, some will wrong rail going out. Trains can terminate at Prospect Park to reduce clogging.

 

 

I get you now. Thanks for telling me.

Edited September 16, 2012 by TrainFanInfinity

[Brighton Express]

Two sections:

The Bronx to West 4 Street.

Times Square-42 Street to Brooklyn via Broadway Express.

 

 

Might as well send them all the way up to 57 St, or let the stop at 49 St to reduce clogging.

[TrainFanInfinity]

Might as well send them all the way up to 57 St, or let the stop at 49 St to reduce clogging.

 

 

's usually stop at 49 Street, so I didn't say it. I can understand why you got confused, though.

[NX Express]

I guess you have never seen the trains when they go to Atlantic Av. Smh. I will explain.

 

trains, in this case, will switch to the required track while entering Prospect Park. Some will wrong rail going into Atlantic Av, some will wrong rail going out. Trains can terminate at Prospect Park to reduce clogging.

 

 

When that happens they run every 15 minutes if both tracks are in use. That's nowhere near enough to replace the .

 

My solution to the Manhattan Bridge problem:

 

No trains between 34 St and Brighton Beach.

Trains run in two sections: 205 St to 34 St and 34 St to Coney Island via Broadway and tunnel.

No trains between Atlantic Av/Barclays and Astoria-Ditmars.

Trains run via the tunnel and Broadway Local at 15 tph.

Selected northbound trains terminate at Atlantic Av.

 

NEXT

The Clark St tube is impassable. In addition, Fulton St is impassable.

Reroute:

Duration: 2 years

[Wallyhorse]

If you suspend the , what's going to replace it on the Brighton line

 

The , which runs full time Coney Island-145th Street and normal rush hours. This also during overnights if this is prolonged allows the to temporarily run express.

 

Other options are the borrows cars from the and runs Essex or Chambers-Coney Island OR the is temporarily re-routed to Coney Island to replace the in Brooklyn.

Edited September 16, 2012 by Wallyhorse

[NX Express]

There's not enough tph for the to handle Brighton alone, and the should not be changed for an incident that does not affect it. Besides, the has 480' trains, unlike the .

 

And no, the will not run to Botanic Gardens.

Edited September 16, 2012 by NX Express

[TrainFanInfinity]

NEXT

The Clark St tube is impassable. In addition, Fulton St is impassable.

Reroute:

Duration: 2 years

 

 

No service b/w Wall Street (7th Avenue) & Wall Street (Lex. Av)

No service b/w Brooklyn Bridge & Brookyln. Select trains terminate at Grand Central-42 Street.

Edited September 16, 2012 by TrainFanInfinity

[Quill Depot]

Next: There is a failure on the track the uses to terminate at Court Square, no trains can run on it. Currently, there a switch problems at 71st Avenue, causing and trains to run to Jamaica-179th via Hillside Avenue local. trains are running Hillside Avenue express. trains run on the express track so they skip Van Wyck Blvd and 75th Avenue. Reroute the and other lines if necessary. Also trains are running 18tph.

Edited September 16, 2012 by Quill Depot

[TrainFanInfinity]

Next: There is a failure on the track the uses to terminate at Court Square, no trains can run on it. Currently, there a switch problems at 71st Avenue, causing and trains to run to Jamaica-179th via Hillside Avenue local. trains are running Hillside Avenue express. trains run on the express track so they skip Van Wyck Blvd and 75th Avenue. Reroute the and other lines if necessary. Also trains are running 18tph.

 

 

No service b/w Greenpoint Avenue & Court Square, use free shuttle bus.

 

Don't even think about extending the to Jamaica Center or 179 Street.

Edited September 16, 2012 by TrainFanInfinity

[Eric B]

NEXT:

 

The Manhattan Bridge fails, and the lower level has a hole ripped apart in it, crippling service. however, under the strangest of strange circumstances, the upper level survives and is passable by vehicles. Reroute the , and keep in mind vehicles can still travel on the upper level.

That's just this: http://www.nyctransitforums.com/forums/topic/30996-subway-what-if/page__st__2400?do=findComment&comment=581248

And since you specified the upper level roadway still being usable, then we would add a lot of bus service across. I think one plan called for B99 from Atlantic (now, Barclay's Center) to City Hall. Perhaps also to Bway Laf, or W4 if you extend the and there.

[NYCRailfan523]

I have another try in this good thread........

14th Street - Union Square station is closed for rehabilitation, along with Lexington Avenue / 59th Street.

Reroute the trains.

[Quill Depot]

I have another try in this good thread........

14th Street - Union Square station is closed for rehabilitation, along with Lexington Avenue / 59th Street.

Reroute the trains.

 

 

If it is impassible:

trains run from Woodlawn to 125th Street. No service 125th Street. Street to Utica Avenue.

trains run 7tph via 7th Avenue/Broadway.

trains run 10tph from 3rd Avenue to Pelham Bay Park. Shuttle buses run to 138th Street, Grand Concourse from there.

No service.

trains terminate at 3rd Avenue.

trains run in two sections, Ditmars Blvd to Queensboro Plaza and Whitehall Street to Coney Island via 4th Avenue Local.

trains suspended.

trains run via 63rd Street, 6th Avenue Express and Bridge.

trains run Brighton Local to Coney Island via Montague.

Edited September 17, 2012 by Quill Depot

[TrainFanInfinity]

I have another try in this good thread........

14th Street - Union Square station is closed for rehabilitation, along with Lexington Avenue / 59th Street.

Reroute the trains.

 

 

 

No service b/w 8 Avenue & 3 Avenue.

No service b/w Canal Street and Queensboro Plaza.

Via 6th Avenue Express to 57 Street/6 Avenue.

Via Bridge - 6th Avenue Local - 63 Street.

No service b/w Brooklyn Bridge & 86 Street.

No service b/w East 180 Street & Brooklyn.

No service b/w 86 Street & Brookyln Bridge.

[Quill Depot]

No service b/w 8 Avenue & 3 Avenue.

No service b/w Canal Street and Queensboro Plaza.

Via 6th Avenue Express to 57 Street/6 Avenue.

Via Bridge - 6th Avenue Local - 63 Street.

No service b/w Brooklyn Bridge & 86 Street.

No service b/w East 180 Street & Brooklyn.

No service b/w 86 Street & Brookyln Bridge.

 

 

A few questions, how does 40tph run over the 6th Avenue side of the bridge?

How do trains terminate at 57th Street if the runs through it.

 

NEXT:

 

The 8th Avenue line is closed for improvements between 14th Street and 42nd Street-PABT. Reroute the and trains. Make service increments and cuts if necessary.

 

Duration: 5 years

[RookiePhenom]

A few questions, how does 40tph run over the 6th Avenue side of the bridge?

How do trains terminate at 57th Street if the runs through it.

 

NEXT:

 

The 8th Avenue line is closed for improvements between 14th Street and 42nd Street-PABT. Reroute the and trains. Make service increments and cuts if necessary.

 

Duration: 5 years

 

 

Free up the other side of Lex/63; otherwise suspend and send to 145. This is a bit extreme, but it might alleviate that bottleneck.

 

 

Solution:

Two sections: 207 - 59; Canal to Brooklyn

via to Brighton Beach (CPW, 6av Express, Bridge, Brighton), suspended

via , switch at West 4th Street.

 

Shuttles along 8th Avenue (or use make M20 run all night).

[Donald]

trains go over the and terminate at Second Ave

go over the from 59th St. to Broadway Lafayette and then over the until Jay St

trains operate in two sections: from 168 St. to 42 St. and from WTC to 14 St.

 

All service is suspended

[TrainFanInfinity]

A few questions, how does 40tph run over the 6th Avenue side of the bridge?

How do trains terminate at 57th Street if the runs through it.

 

NEXT:

 

The 8th Avenue line is closed for improvements between 14th Street and 42nd Street-PABT. Reroute the and trains. Make service increments and cuts if necessary.

 

Duration: 5 years

 

 

Select trains terminate at Canal Street and Whitehall Street.

The uses the other side, as he said.

 

-------------------------------------------------------------------------------------

 

Non-Rush

Via 6th Avenue Local. Select trains run via 6th Avenue Express.

Via 6th Avenue Express.

 

Rush

Via 6th Avenue Local.

No service b/w 168 Street & Chambers Street.

Via 6th Avenue Express. (12TPH).

Most trains terminate at Chambers Street.

Edited September 17, 2012 by TrainFanInfinity

[TrainFanInfinity]

NEXT: Due to a wall collapse, 53 Street between 6th 1/2 Avenue & 9th Avenue is impassible.

 

Affected:

 

BONUS: Reroute the buses too!

 

Affected: M7 SB, M11 NB, M20, M104

[VWM]

NEXT: Due to a wall collapse, 53 Street between 6th 1/2 Avenue & 9th Avenue is impassible.

 

Affected:

 

BONUS: Reroute the buses too!

 

Affected: M7 SB, M11 NB, M20, M104

 

Run in two sections

14 Street - Brooklyn

59 Street - Upper Manhattan

At 59 Street, the uses the eastern platform and the the western one

Suspended

runs to Jamaica Center via 53 Street and QBL Express

Suspended

Extended to Forest Hills

runs in 2 sections:

Astoria - Lexington Ave

42 Street - Brooklyn

runs to 42 Street

No service between 137 and 34 Street

no service between 96 and 14 Street

 

BONUS:

M7 SB: Detoured on to 5 Av between 59 and 49/50 Streets

M11 SB: Detoured on to 11 Av between 59 and 49/50 Streets

M20/M104: use 10/11 Av between 59 and 49/50 Streets

Edited September 18, 2012 by VWM

[NYCRailfan523]

I have another idea:

 

Fourth Avenue / Ninth Street on the IND Culver Line / BMT Fourth Avenue Line is closed for rehabilitation. Reroute the . Along with this, rains in Queens made Roosevelt Avenue / 74th Street impassable. Reroute the .