Planned Subway Service Changes

[darkstar8983]

4 hours ago, Lawrence St said:

Actually why not just send the  to Broad St? Which has it's own issues but doesn't delay service nearly as much as Dungeon St...I mean Chambers St.

The  will be running rush hours and relays take time. I don’t think the Broad St Relay can handle 20 TPH. 

[Daniel The Cool]

5 hours ago, darkstar8983 said:

I think they did it last year. or maybe it was 2020. I think last year it wasn't done because of the omicron surge, and a lot of subway routes were already cut. and  

It was 2020 when they did it. Last year it wasn't done because of the shortage caused by omicron.

 

The  wasn't suspended during the omicron surge. It was only during that huge 2020 outbreak the line was suspended 

[Lawrence St]

45 minutes ago, darkstar8983 said:

The  will be running rush hours and relays take time. I don’t think the Broad St Relay can handle 20 TPH. 

Screw the . The  crossing in front of and  three times makes the moot at that point.

Side note: They need to use the  to provide alternate service to the  and  when it's cut south of Brooklyn Bridge, or frankly when the  is on Nassau.

Edited December 2, 2022 by Lawrence St

[darkstar8983]

2 minutes ago, Lawrence St said:

Screw the . The  crossing in front of and  three times makes the moot at that point.

Side note: They need to use the  to provide alternate service to the  and  when it's cut south of Brooklyn Bridge, or frankly when the  is on Nassau.

the shuttle  trains that used to run past Broad St into Brooklyn during the  train suspensions between Brooklyn Bridge and Brooklyn carried air, as did the rush hour  trains to Bay Parkway. 

[Lawrence St]

1 minute ago, darkstar8983 said:

the shuttle  trains that used to run past Broad St into Brooklyn during the  train suspensions between Brooklyn Bridge and Brooklyn carried air, as did the rush hour  trains to Bay Parkway. 

Because those shuttle's were never advertised the way  advertises alternatives now.

[R68AviaWestEndExp]

No  between Bowling Green and Crown Hts-Utica Av/New Lots Av

Jan 6 - 9, Fri 11:30 PM to Mon 5:00 AM

 trains run between Woodlawn and Bowling Green, the last stop.

 trains run to/from New Lots Av all weekend.

Travel Alternatives:

For service between Borough Hall and Franklin Av-Medgar Evers College, take the 2 or 3.

Take the  between Franklin Av-Medgar Evers College and New Lots Av.

• Transfer between the  and  trains at Fulton St.

What's happening?

We are making signal improvements

 

 replaces the  in Brooklyn

Jan 6 - 9, Fri 11:30 PM to Mon 5:00 AM

 service runs to/from New Lots Av all weekend.

What's happening?

 trains are providing alternate service in Brooklyn during weekend planned work on the  line.

[CyclonicTrainLookout]

On the weekend of January 13-16,  will not run between Myrtle-Wyckoff and 8 Av.

 trains will return to 96 St-2 Av running every 12 minutes during that time as an alternative.

Edited December 16, 2022 by CyclonicTrainLookout

[R68AviaWestEndExp]

Franklin Ave Shuttle is being replaced by shuttle buses the same weekend.

 

Franklin Av Shuttle  is replaced by free shuttle buses

Jan 14 - 15, Sat and Sun, 5:45 AM to 6:00 PM

[Calvin]

Starting Monday, December 26th: Christmas Day observed up to the last day of 2022, December 31st.  53rd St tube will be closed for repairs.  runs with the  while  goes its old Nassau St Local line from Essex St to Chambers St with the . 

[darkstar8983]

It seems that the MTA can never learn from its mistakes. This is like the fourth year the MTA has done the 53 St tunnel full closure GO between Christmas and New Years, and they keep screwing up. This was the perfect year (and next year too) to maximize work zone access, since the Christmas Eve/New Years day holidays fell on weekends. Also, there have been many signal and switch issues + mechanical breakdowns during this GO that have caused invasive reroutes which were not really necessary. For example:

 

1. This year (and next year too), the GO could have ran from December 23rd 10PM to January 2nd 5:30AM, doubling the time that the work zone is available for workers to get more projects and upgrades completed. 

2. The 6 Av Local tracks CANNOT handle 30 TPH from the  trains like Queens Blvd Express tracks can, which is why you've been seeing  trains being rerouted via Crosstown during rush hours. Its train cap is only 25 TPH. To fix this, the MTA could have just canceled the 179 St  trips, and slightly reduced the  service by cancelling the  and making sure that headways on the  were 5 minutes each (24 TPH). This would likely also mean fewer Kings Highway trips, or a slight reduction in service to/from Stillwell Av if the pattern of alternating  trains between Kings Highway and Stillwell Av has to be maintained.

3. Switch issues and train breakdowns at West 4 St have been causing reroutes on the  lines because its been a long time since these switches have been in continuous service, in exchange for "locking in" the 36 St interlocking and Queens Plaza interlocking. The tracks that are used in that West 4 St area to switch 6 Av trains back to 8 Av (southbound), and vice versa-northbound are likely seldomly used (when there are GOs and emergency reroutes), meaning they dont get as much TLC as mainline revenue tracks. Thats like saying 'lets reactivate the Nassau St connection to the Montague  tunnel'. Because of these switch issues and capacity issues along 6 Av, you've been seeing reroutes daily such as: 

-  trains express south of 59 St-Columbus Circle

-  trains rerouted to 2 Av  station

-  trains rerouted via Broadway to/from Whitehall St (which interferes with the  due to needing to switch from the express tracks to local south of 57 St-7 Av) 

-  trains bypassing Manhattan altogether by rerouting via Crosstown, which delays the  

[Daniel The Cool]

1 hour ago, darkstar8983 said:

1. This year (and next year too), the GO could have ran from December 23rd 10PM to January 2nd 5:30AM, doubling the time that the work zone is available for workers to get more projects and upgrades completed.   

You do realize the reason why the G.O is ending at 5 AM on New Year Eve is due to the New Year's Eve Service Enhancements. They did the same thing back in 2017 and 2018.

[trainfan22]

4 hours ago, darkstar8983 said:

It seems that the MTA can never learn from its mistakes. This is like the fourth year the MTA has done the 53 St tunnel full closure GO between Christmas and New Years, and they keep screwing up. This was the perfect year (and next year too) to maximize work zone access, since the Christmas Eve/New Years day holidays fell on weekends. Also, there have been many signal and switch issues + mechanical breakdowns during this GO that have caused invasive reroutes which were not really necessary. For example:

 

1. This year (and next year too), the GO could have ran from December 23rd 10PM to January 2nd 5:30AM, doubling the time that the work zone is available for workers to get more projects and upgrades completed. 

2. The 6 Av Local tracks CANNOT handle 30 TPH from the  trains like Queens Blvd Express tracks can, which is why you've been seeing  trains being rerouted via Crosstown during rush hours. Its train cap is only 25 TPH. To fix this, the MTA could have just canceled the 179 St  trips, and slightly reduced the  service by cancelling the  and making sure that headways on the  were 5 minutes each (24 TPH). This would likely also mean fewer Kings Highway trips, or a slight reduction in service to/from Stillwell Av if the pattern of alternating  trains between Kings Highway and Stillwell Av has to be maintained.

3. Switch issues and train breakdowns at West 4 St have been causing reroutes on the  lines because its been a long time since these switches have been in continuous service, in exchange for "locking in" the 36 St interlocking and Queens Plaza interlocking. The tracks that are used in that West 4 St area to switch 6 Av trains back to 8 Av (southbound), and vice versa-northbound are likely seldomly used (when there are GOs and emergency reroutes), meaning they dont get as much TLC as mainline revenue tracks. Thats like saying 'lets reactivate the Nassau St connection to the Montague  tunnel'. Because of these switch issues and capacity issues along 6 Av, you've been seeing reroutes daily such as: 

-  trains express south of 59 St-Columbus Circle

-  trains rerouted to 2 Av  station

-  trains rerouted via Broadway to/from Whitehall St (which interferes with the  due to needing to switch from the express tracks to local south of 57 St-7 Av) 

-  trains bypassing Manhattan altogether by rerouting via Crosstown, which delays the  

The TA canceled the to 179th Street trips for the PM Rush today.

[darkstar8983]

17 hours ago, Daniel The Cool said:

You do realize the reason why the G.O is ending at 5 AM on New Year Eve is due to the New Year's Eve Service Enhancements. They did the same thing back in 2017 and 2018.

They don’t even have enough workers to provide regular service yet there’s going to magically be enough to provide enhanced service?!?! 

[darkstar8983]

14 hours ago, trainfan22 said:

The TA canceled the to 179th Street trips for the PM Rush today.

On the last day they finally figure it out 😒😒

[CyclonicTrainLookout]

Planned - Suspended

 is suspended

Jan 27 - 30, Fri 9:30 PM to Mon 5:00 AM

Free shuttle buses run between Middle Village-Metropolitan Av and Delancey St-Essex St, making all station stops.

Note: No  trains between Myrtle Av and Delancey St-Essex St during this time.

What's happening?

Track maintenance

 

Planned - Part Suspended

No  between Myrtle Av and Broad St

Jan 27 - 30, Fri 9:30 PM to Mon 5:00 AM

 trains run between Jamaica Center-Parsons/Archer and Myrtle Av, the last stop.

Free shuttle buses run between Myrtle Av and Delancey St-Essex St.

Travel Alternatives:

For Flushing Av, Lorimer St, Hewes St, Marcy Av and Delancey St-Essex St, take a shuttle bus.

For Bowery, Canal St, Chambers St, Fulton St and Broad St, use nearby  stations.

For service between Brooklyn and Manhattan, consider the  or  via transfer at Broadway Junction.

Transfer stations:

Myrtle Av Shuttle Bus

Delancey St-Essex St Shuttle Bus

Broadway-Lafayette St/Bleecker St Accessbility|  local, 

Brooklyn Bridge-City Hall Accessbility | 

Travel tip:

For Hewes St and Lorimer St, take the  at nearby Broadway.

Transfer between   trains at Metropolitan Av/Lorimer St for service to/from Manhattan.

Note:  trains are not running during this time.

What's happening?

Track maintenance

[JustTheSIR]

On 12/30/2022 at 12:57 PM, CyclonicTrainLookout said:

Planned - Suspended

 is suspended

Jan 27 - 30, Fri 9:30 PM to Mon 5:00 AM

Free shuttle buses run between Middle Village-Metropolitan Av and Delancey St-Essex St, making all station stops.

Note: No  trains between Myrtle Av and Delancey St-Essex St during this time.

What's happening?

Track maintenance

 

Planned - Part Suspended

No  between Myrtle Av and Broad St

Jan 27 - 30, Fri 9:30 PM to Mon 5:00 AM

 trains run between Jamaica Center-Parsons/Archer and Myrtle Av, the last stop.

Free shuttle buses run between Myrtle Av and Delancey St-Essex St.

Travel Alternatives:

For Flushing Av, Lorimer St, Hewes St, Marcy Av and Delancey St-Essex St, take a shuttle bus.

For Bowery, Canal St, Chambers St, Fulton St and Broad St, use nearby  stations.

For service between Brooklyn and Manhattan, consider the  or  via transfer at Broadway Junction.

Transfer stations:

Myrtle Av Shuttle Bus

Delancey St-Essex St Shuttle Bus

Broadway-Lafayette St/Bleecker St Accessbility|  local, 

Brooklyn Bridge-City Hall Accessbility | 

Travel tip:

For Hewes St and Lorimer St, take the  at nearby Broadway.

Transfer between   trains at Metropolitan Av/Lorimer St for service to/from Manhattan.

Note:  trains are not running during this time.

What's happening?

Track maintenance

*has whole list*

“What’s happening? track maintenance.”

A bit funny how those 2 words can knock out a whole line

[darkstar8983]

On 1/2/2023 at 2:57 PM, JustTheSIR said:

*has whole list*

“What’s happening? track maintenance.”

A bit funny how those 2 words can knock out a whole line

The maintenance must be at the Marcy Av interlocking since Hewes St is not available to turn  trains around. A thought on this - why can’t the  trains platform at Marcy Av (ADA accessible station) even though the interlocking is there when the  normally is cut back to Hewes St?

Edited January 4, 2023 by darkstar8983

[Lawrence St]

I’m shocked they can’t run the  to Wyckoff Ave like they did before.

[CyclonicTrainLookout]

https://new.mta.info/press-release/mta-begin-construction-accessibility-project-queensboro-plaza-six-weekends-of-7-line

The  will officially start work on the Queensboro Plaza accessibility project next month during the weekends in multiple phases. First phase will suspend  service between Queensboro Plaza and 34 St-Hudson Yards. The  suspension will occur around May, though I doubt they will send the  down Queens Blvd when the suspension does happen now that they are suspending one line at a time.

The  will be suspended from 12:15 am Saturday February 4 to 5 am Monday February 6, then from 3:45 am Saturday to 10 pm Sunday on the weekends of Feb 11-12, Feb 25-26, Mar 11-12, Mar 25-26, and Apr 22-23.

Shuttle buses will run between Queensboro Plaza and Vernon Blvd-Jackson Av and between Times Sq-42 and 34-Hudson Yards during the suspension. In addition, the 42nd St  shuttle will operate overnights and the  will operate on Saturdays from 7 am to 7 pm and Sundays from 10 am to 6 pm between Astoria-Ditmars and 34-Herald Sq.

[darkstar8983]

12 minutes ago, CyclonicTrainLookout said:

https://new.mta.info/press-release/mta-begin-construction-accessibility-project-queensboro-plaza-six-weekends-of-7-line

The  will officially start work on the Queensboro Plaza accessibility project next month during the weekends in multiple phases. First phase will suspend  service between Queensboro Plaza and 34 St-Hudson Yards. The  suspension will occur around May, though I doubt they will send the  down Queens Blvd when the suspension does happen now that they are suspending one line at a time.

The  will be suspended from 12:15 am Saturday February 4 to 5 am Monday February 6, then from 3:45 am Saturday to 10 pm Sunday on the weekends of Feb 11-12, Feb 25-26, Mar 11-12, Mar 25-26, and Apr 22-23.

Shuttle buses will run between Queensboro Plaza and Vernon Blvd-Jackson Av and between Times Sq-42 and 34-Hudson Yards during the suspension. In addition, the 42nd St  shuttle will operate overnights and the  will operate on Saturdays from 7 am to 7 pm and Sundays from 10 am to 6 pm between Astoria-Ditmars and 34-Herald Sq.

Nope! don't count on seeing  trains via Queens Blvd - most likely the  will not run between Times Sq-42 St and Ditmars Blvd (which has been done before - just use some shuttle buses and done).

[trainfan22]

Currently there is an emergency one day G.O on the where it's running a shuttle bus between Broadway Junction and Myrtle Ave, 24 minute headway shuttle between Canarsie and Broadway Junction. Got caught off guard about this. Hate this one train 24 minute headway shuttle G.O.

[R32 3838]

1 hour ago, darkstar8983 said:

Nope! don't count on seeing  trains via Queens Blvd - most likely the  will not run between Times Sq-42 St and Ditmars Blvd (which has been done before - just use some shuttle buses and done).

It can happen, It'll just be R160s from Jamaica running on the . It'll either be trains replacing trains in queens or both / running together. The Shuttle train between Astoria and 39th ave is close to the 36th st station, They want people to transfer via a block ticket to 39th ave from 36th st hence the running on queens blvd to avoid confusion.

[darkstar8983]

33 minutes ago, R32 3838 said:

It can happen, It'll just be R160s from Jamaica running on the . It'll either be trains replacing trains in queens or both / running together. The Shuttle train between Astoria and 39th ave is close to the 36th st station, They want people to transfer via a block ticket to 39th ave from 36th st hence the running on queens blvd to avoid confusion.

Where would the crews come from? Are  crews CBTC trained?

To run the  that far out of the way you would need the same number of crews you'd use for weekday  service (increased route length PLUS a shuttle  in Astoria). might as well just cut the  back to Times Square and run shuttle buses from Queensboro Plaza to Ditmars Blvd and not mix QB with the GO. You all know I am all FOR R160s back on the  but I don t think this GO will work like it did back in the Bush Era 2004 last time it was done. 

[Lawrence St]

When they do work on the Bergen St interlocking, why don’t they just do the following:

 via

 extended from West 4th St to Euclid Ave.

 168th St-WTC.

[darkstar8983]

1 hour ago, Lawrence St said:

When they do work on the Bergen St interlocking, why don’t they just do the following:

 via

 extended from West 4th St to Euclid Ave.

 168th St-WTC.

What do you mean? The connection that allows trains from Jay St MetroTech to go to Bergen St via Local? Or the entire interlocking?

if it’s the former, then just do the  to/from Coney Island, the  to/from Euclid Av, and end the  at World Trade Center. Before, when the  was knocked out in the late 2000s, the MTA ran the whole  local from 168’St to Euclid Av, which I don’t think is permitted anymore during daytime and evening hours due to the increased running times especially on the Far Rockaway  trains outside late nights. If we’re concerned about increased running times on the , then short-turn the  at Delaney St-Essex St or World Trade Center  station and use the  to connect to the Coney Island .