Planned Subway Service Changes

[T to Dyre Avenue]

23 hours ago, NBTA said:

Reading into this..makes me think that the  and  are definitely gonna get swapped after everything is done. Makes the QBL mergers a lot easier. 

It would definitely eliminate the madness at 36th and QP, but then again this is the MTA we’re talking about here. Only time will tell if riders at Queensbridge and Roosevelt Island adjust to having shorter and less-frequent  trains come May through October.

[lekamsk]

19 hours ago, R32 3838 said:

They are going to start CBTC work east of Union Turnpike so the Lay ups between Union turnpike and 169th are going to be moved over to the Express Tracks between Forest Hills and Roosevelt ave. Because of this the has to terminate at Queens Plaza after a certain time.

Does this mean the and will have to run local on QBL on weekends alongside the ? That may not be a bad thing...

[CyclonicTrainLookout]

On times when the  runs via 63rd St at the same time of the CBTC installation east of 71 Av, during early evening hours starting 9:45 pm, the  will instead terminate at Roosevelt Av, as is the case for the weekends of April 8-9 and April 15-16 when 71 Av-bound trains are rerouted via the  making express stops

[Lawrence St]

Why do they force  riders to have an additional 8 minute trip to run 4th Avenue local to accommodate Culver signal work??

Edited March 17, 2023 by Lawrence St

[Kingsbridgeviewer382]

On 3/14/2023 at 4:45 PM, Chris89292 said:

I’m not sure why the MTA decided to do this, but I could possibly be that the crews will make structural repairs on the express track, the project includes track component repairs so I believe it could possibly be that, it’ll affect  express from running in the middle track, it is subject to change, as schedules are still being planned to satisfy riders

From reading the  Train plan, Manhattan-bound trains will run on the express track when work on 52nd, 61st, and 69th Street starts. Flushing-bound trains start doing it when the Manhattan-bound platform work is complete so no work is being done on the center track.

[BM5 via Woodhaven]

40 minutes ago, Lawrence St said:

Why do they force  riders to have an additional 8 minute trip to run 4th Avenue local to accommodate Culver signal work??

The  is generally the closest subway line to the in Southern Brooklyn. It's done that way so you can transfer at 9th Street - 4th Avenue if you need the  or . The other options don't provide you those same transfer opportunities.

The  to the  transfer at Atlantic is just not practical (and the next transfer opportunity to the 6th Avenue line is 34th Street), and it doesn't connect to the . It's the best possible option given the circumstances. You can reroute the  via Sea Beach and  via West End, but then you'd create more problems.

Edited March 17, 2023 by BM5 via Woodhaven

[Lawrence St]

22 minutes ago, BM5 via Woodhaven said:

The  is generally the closest subway line to the in Southern Brooklyn. It's done that way so you can transfer at 9th Street - 4th Avenue if you need the  or . The other options don't provide you those same transfer opportunities.

The  to the  transfer at Atlantic is just not practical (and the next transfer opportunity to the 6th Avenue line is 34th Street), and it doesn't connect to the . It's the best possible option given the circumstances. You can reroute the  via Sea Beach and  via West End, but then you'd create more problems.

I would rather they extend the  or  to cover 4th Ave local then inconvenience people who have places they need to be.

[CyclonicTrainLookout]

1 hour ago, Lawrence St said:

I would rather they extend the  or  to cover 4th Ave local then inconvenience people who have places they need to be.

Extending those two lines requires more trains and crew members on a weekend, and the MTA already has enough problems with crew shortage the past couple of months, whereas an  local won't have that problem, or at least keep the issue to the minimum. 8 minutes isn't that much of an inconvenience honestly, just leave a little bit early.

[BM5 via Woodhaven]

4 hours ago, Lawrence St said:

I would rather they extend the  or  to cover 4th Ave local then inconvenience people who have places they need to be.

Well the same thing could be said for  riders on the Culver Line, and I'd argue that even with the local, they'd be spending even more additional time. That's the case with all these G.O's, someone's going to be inconvenienced. Otherwise we'd be in an even worse situation with even more track and signal problems left and right. 

The additional mileage incurred, trains and crews needed to extend the  out to Coney Island just isn't practical given that the  is already there. Neither  or have any business being that far out there for the sake of providing connections within Brooklyn (especially southern Brooklyn). 

[Lawrence St]

44 minutes ago, BM5 via Woodhaven said:

Well the same thing could be said for  riders on the Culver Line, and I'd argue that even with the local, they'd be spending even more additional time. That's the case with all these G.O's, someone's going to be inconvenienced. Otherwise we'd be in an even worse situation with even more track and signal problems left and right. 

The additional mileage incurred, trains and crews needed to extend the  out to Coney Island just isn't practical given that the  is already there. Neither  or have any business being that far out there for the sake of providing connections within Brooklyn (especially southern Brooklyn). 

You can use the crews from the  that aren’t working due to the suspension of service from Church Ave to Coney Island. The  or  would need only three additional trains to maintain service on Nassau-Bway and extend into Brooklyn at 9th Ave.

[BM5 via Woodhaven]

5 hours ago, Lawrence St said:

You can use the crews from the  that aren’t working due to the suspension of service from Church Ave to Coney Island. The  or  would need only three additional trains to maintain service on Nassau-Bway and extend into Brooklyn at 9th Ave.

This makes even less sense. Who does this help exactly? There's no connection to the most impacted stations (18th Avenue to Kings Highway), where the closest train stations are either a long walk or a bus ride away. Just run the local and call it a day. No need to complicate things for no apparent reason.

Also I have my doubts that only three extra trains would be needed, that sounds very, very tight, especially for the . Again, neither has any business going down there to begin with.

Edited March 18, 2023 by BM5 via Woodhaven

[Lawrence St]

10 hours ago, BM5 via Woodhaven said:

This makes even less sense. Who does this help exactly? There's no connection to the most impacted stations (18th Avenue to Kings Highway), where the closest train stations are either a long walk or a bus ride away. Just run the local and call it a day. No need to complicate things for no apparent reason.

Also I have my doubts that only three extra trains would be needed, that sounds very, very tight, especially for the . Again, neither has any business going down there to begin with.

How does it make less sense?

In the past the  has gone to Prospect Park to provide alternate service for the  and . In this instance, extending either the  or , and I’d rather the  since it’s shorter, will provide whoever’s going to Culver with alternate service from Essex St to the entire 4th Ave Line,

[LegoBrickBreaker101]

1 hour ago, Lawrence St said:

How does it make less sense?

In the past the  has gone to Prospect Park to provide alternate service for the  and . In this instance, extending either the  or , and I’d rather the  since it’s shorter, will provide whoever’s going to Culver with alternate service from Essex St to the entire 4th Ave Line,

That's comparing apples to oranges.

 

With the supplementing the , the affected area was between Manhattan and Brooklyn (namely Brooklyn Bridge and Atlantic Avenue). It makes sense in that case to send a between those two stops, as folks can transfer to the to connect between those two stops.

 

With the  suspension, the affected area is within Brooklyn, between Church Avenue and West 8th Street. The  is either within walking distance or a quick bus ride away from most stops in that section, so it makes sense to redirect them there. Running it local allows for a connection at 4th - 9th, which means that those customers between Church Avenue and West 8th now have easier access to stops in Park Slope and Gowanus, rather than having to backtrack to Downtown Brooklyn or further north just to go back down.  

Extending the and  down to 9th Avenue does nothing for those folks, because they don't need a connection from Manhattan to Brooklyn. They need service within Brooklyn. It would really only work if those trains ran further south, which isn't feasible given the current crew shortage.

[CyclonicTrainLookout]

6 hours ago, LegoBrickBreaker101 said:

That's comparing apples to oranges.

 

With the supplementing the , the affected area was between Manhattan and Brooklyn (namely Brooklyn Bridge and Atlantic Avenue). It makes sense in that case to send a between those two stops, as folks can transfer to the to connect between those two stops.

 

With the  suspension, the affected area is within Brooklyn, between Church Avenue and West 8th Street. The  is either within walking distance or a quick bus ride away from most stops in that section, so it makes sense to redirect them there. Running it local allows for a connection at 4th - 9th, which means that those customers between Church Avenue and West 8th now have easier access to stops in Park Slope and Gowanus, rather than having to backtrack to Downtown Brooklyn or further north just to go back down.  

Extending the and  down to 9th Avenue does nothing for those folks, because they don't need a connection from Manhattan to Brooklyn. They need service within Brooklyn. It would really only work if those trains ran further south, which isn't feasible given the current crew shortage.

I actually don't know but even with the  extension for  coverage (wasn't it actually just Chambers-Prospect Park shuttle?), the  largely carried air hence why they stopped it and opted an extended  service instead?

[Lawrence St]

26 minutes ago, CyclonicTrainLookout said:

I actually don't know but even with the  extension for  coverage (wasn't it actually just Chambers-Prospect Park shuttle?), the  largely carried air hence why they stopped it and opted an extended  service instead?

They stopped it cause no one knew it was happening.

 

6 hours ago, LegoBrickBreaker101 said:

That's comparing apples to oranges.

 

With the supplementing the , the affected area was between Manhattan and Brooklyn (namely Brooklyn Bridge and Atlantic Avenue). It makes sense in that case to send a between those two stops, as folks can transfer to the to connect between those two stops.

 

With the  suspension, the affected area is within Brooklyn, between Church Avenue and West 8th Street. The  is either within walking distance or a quick bus ride away from most stops in that section, so it makes sense to redirect them there. Running it local allows for a connection at 4th - 9th, which means that those customers between Church Avenue and West 8th now have easier access to stops in Park Slope and Gowanus, rather than having to backtrack to Downtown Brooklyn or further north just to go back down.  

Extending the and  down to 9th Avenue does nothing for those folks, because they don't need a connection from Manhattan to Brooklyn. They need service within Brooklyn. It would really only work if those trains ran further south, which isn't feasible given the current crew shortage.

Let's agree to disagree. If I was going to Brooklyn on the  and saw service was suspended south of Church Ave, I would go to Essex and take the  then do the adventure of climbing down all the way to the .

[Wallyhorse]

On 3/18/2023 at 5:55 PM, Lawrence St said:

They stopped it cause no one knew it was happening.

 

Let's agree to disagree. If I was going to Brooklyn on the  and saw service was suspended south of Church Ave, I would go to Essex and take the  then do the adventure of climbing down all the way to the .

This to me is another argument to move the to Nassau and make it a "Brown ," running it from 95th Street to a rebuilt Canal Street (abandoned platforms at Canal and Bowery on Nassau would be re-activated) where the  would terminate on weekdays (with scheduled in-service yard runs from and to Broadway Junction as this  would be based out of East New York).  Late nights and weekends, this  would replace the shuttles and run Metropolitan-95th, making this a regular line.  The  can become full-time to replace the  in Manhattan and Queens to 71st-Continental. 

[nightmare402]

Downtown departures originating at Dyckman St will begin service at 190 St instead

Mon to Fri, 4:15 PM to 5:15 PM until Apr 28

What's happening?

Switch repairs

Posted: 03/28/2023 05:16 PM

Station Notice

The last stop for some uptown trains is 190 St or Dyckman St

Mon to Fri, 9:15 AM to 11:45 AM and 8:00 PM to 9:15 PM until Apr 28

What's happening?

Switch repairs

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Edited March 29, 2023 by nightmare402

[NBTA]

There’s a G.O coming up for the R to be the sole QBL express, and it’s gonna terminate at Jackson Heights..?

[darkstar8983]

26 minutes ago, NBTA said:

There’s a G.O coming up for the R to be the sole QBL express, and it’s gonna terminate at Jackson Heights..?

I think all three are express , and after 9:45PM, you'll get the conga line of  all backing up since the 63 St switch that connects to QB will be locked in the express configuration. 

The GO states that the  will end earlier than 71 Av after 9:45PM every night (but that the fumigation will be moved to Roosevelt Av on Saturday night and Sunday night). The will run local from Queens Plaza to 71 Av ONLY from 10PM to midnight Friday night, then express from 36 St to Roosevelt Av after midnight, but local to 71 Av after Roosevelt Av every night. On Saturday and Sunday nights, the  will only run local service from Roosevelt Av to 71 Av headed towards Jamaica.

Edited March 29, 2023 by darkstar8983

[Lex]

What possible excuse is there for bastardizing the  this weekend?

[darkstar8983]

59 minutes ago, Lex said:

What possible excuse is there for bastardizing the  this weekend?

Mmm maybe the MTA doesn’t want too many trains passing thru the work area. Even the  is reduced to every 12 minutes: I don’t know why but what is it with the MTA always cutting service in the Bronx only to every 16 or even 20 minutes when there is work on the ELs. You don’t see this anywhere else (when the  has EL work, they run it at the least frequent every 8 minutes). 
If we were to use the logic we see in the Bronx then we should see the following reductions elsewhere

- No  service to one of the two Queens Branches, with those trains terminating at Euclid Av

- alternating  trains ending at 9 Av instead of going to Stillwell Av

- alternating  Trains ending at Prospect Park

- Alternating  trains terminating at Times Square (headed towards Astoria) or 59 St/4 Av (towards Stillwell Av)

 

Edited March 30, 2023 by darkstar8983

[Lex]

35 minutes ago, darkstar8983 said:

Mmm maybe the MTA doesn’t want too many trains passing thru the work area. Even the  is reduced to every 12 minutes: I don’t know why but what is it with the MTA always cutting service in the Bronx only to every 16 or even 20 minutes when there is work on the ELs. You don’t see this anywhere else (when the  has EL work, they run it at the least frequent every 8 minutes). 
If we were to use the logic we see in the Bronx then we should see the following reductions elsewhere

- No  service to one of the two Queens Branches, with those trains terminating at Euclid Av

- alternating  trains ending at 9 Av instead of going to Stillwell Av

- alternating  Trains ending at Prospect Park

- Alternating  trains terminating at Times Square (headed towards Astoria) or 59 St/4 Av (towards Stillwell Av)

 

The reduction in  service is unrelated to the work in the Bronx. Also, the  and  are passing through that area as I type this with the same closures (it's also happening tomorrow).

[darkstar8983]

34 minutes ago, Lex said:

The reduction in  service is unrelated to the work in the Bronx. Also, the  and  are passing through that area as I type this with the same closures (it's also happening tomorrow).

Oh no no. I understand that the  is reduced due to the work in Manhattan, but it gives operations a chance to have nearly uninterrupted access to the track with only 5 TPH in both directions and what I assume will be a slow speed order along most of White Plains Road or Southern Blvd

[N6 Limited]

Planned - Part Suspended

The last stop for Queens-bound is Queens Plaza 

Mar 31 - Apr 2, Fri to Sun, beginning at 9:45 PM

Transfer at 34 St-Herald Sq to a Queens-bound * or for local service in Queens.  

Shuttle Bus Free shuttle buses run between Queens Plaza and 21 St-Queensbridge.

Transfer between shuttle buses and trains at Queens Plaza | or 21 St-Queensbridge |    

*Queens-bound trains run via the to 21 St-Queensbridge.  

For continued service, please ask for a transfer ticket from the station agent at Court Sq, Queens Plaza or 21 St-Queensbridge.

Reminder: trains do not run in Queens overnight. 

What's happening?

We're modernizing signals on the Queens Blvd Line

 

Posted: 03/24/2023 02:57 PM

Planned - Local to Express

Forest Hills-bound skips 36 St, Steinway St, 46 St, Northern Blvd and 65 St 

Apr 1 - 2, Sat and Sun, 6:30 AM to 9:45 PM

For service to these stations, take the to Jackson Hts-Roosevelt Av and transfer to a Bay Ridge-bound .  

For service from these stations, take the to Queens Plaza and transfer to a Forest Hills-bound .  

What's happening?

Structural maintenance

——

How does one “take the  train to Roosevelt Ave and transfer to a Bay Ridge-bound “ if the last stop is Queens Plaza over the weekend? 

[Lex]

7 minutes ago, N6 Limited said:

Planned - Part Suspended

The last stop for Queens-bound is Queens Plaza 

Mar 31 - Apr 2, Fri to Sun, beginning at 9:45 PM

Transfer at 34 St-Herald Sq to a Queens-bound * or for local service in Queens.  

Shuttle Bus Free shuttle buses run between Queens Plaza and 21 St-Queensbridge.

Transfer between shuttle buses and trains at Queens Plaza | or 21 St-Queensbridge |    

*Queens-bound trains run via the to 21 St-Queensbridge.  

For continued service, please ask for a transfer ticket from the station agent at Court Sq, Queens Plaza or 21 St-Queensbridge.

Reminder: trains do not run in Queens overnight. 

What's happening?

We're modernizing signals on the Queens Blvd Line

 

Posted: 03/24/2023 02:57 PM

Planned - Local to Express

Forest Hills-bound skips 36 St, Steinway St, 46 St, Northern Blvd and 65 St 

Apr 1 - 2, Sat and Sun, 6:30 AM to 9:45 PM

For service to these stations, take the to Jackson Hts-Roosevelt Av and transfer to a Bay Ridge-bound .  

For service from these stations, take the to Queens Plaza and transfer to a Forest Hills-bound .  

What's happening?

Structural maintenance

——

How does one “take the  train to Roosevelt Ave and transfer to a Bay Ridge-bound “ if the last stop is Queens Plaza over the weekend? 

Look at the times.