Planned Subway Service Changes

[N6 Limited]

On 3/30/2023 at 6:35 PM, Lex said:

Look at the times.

They should say “beginning at 9:45PM each night”

[zacster]

Does anybody know what work is being done on the Brighton Line this weekend that they shut the line down?  I know they are doing station work at Cortelyou Road but they don' t need to shut the whole 4 track line down to do station work on a side platform.   I walked home in the rain last night from the F because of it.

[Trainmaster5]

2 hours ago, zacster said:

Does anybody know what work is being done on the Brighton Line this weekend that they shut the line down?  I know they are doing station work at Cortelyou Road but they don' t need to shut the whole 4 track line down to do station work on a side platform.   I walked home in the rain last night from the F because of it.

I thought it was track work being done on the line. There were shuttle buses running from Atlantic Avenue to the south. Carry on.

[Kamen Rider]

4 hours ago, zacster said:

Does anybody know what work is being done on the Brighton Line this weekend that they shut the line down?  I know they are doing station work at Cortelyou Road but they don' t need to shut the whole 4 track line down to do station work on a side platform.   I walked home in the rain last night from the F because of it.

track work important enough the line has a 10 MPH slow zone in effect at all times between prospect and 7th for the next three weeks. 

[Lawrence St]

Is there a reason why the  is ending on the 4th Ave platforms at Atlantic instead of the brighton platforms?

[Lawrence St]

On 3/30/2023 at 9:44 AM, Lex said:

What possible excuse is there for bastardizing the  this weekend?

At this point I don't even know why they run the thing south of East 180th on weekends anymore. It's always split in half or running every 20 minutes, how does that help anybody?

[Vulturious]

57 minutes ago, Lawrence St said:

Is there a reason why the  is ending on the 4th Ave platforms at Atlantic instead of the brighton platforms?

I would assume because of the lack of any switches to turn trains around on the Brighton platform. Although, they really should an x-switch over there if ever possible and I want to say the same thing by adding some extra switches for the 4 Av platforms.

[zacster]

3 hours ago, Kamen Rider said:

track work important enough the line has a 10 MPH slow zone in effect at all times between prospect and 7th for the next three weeks. 

Thanks.  I hope it doesn't extend to next weekend.  I better check.

[Lawrence St]

My head hurts reading this  service change.

So queens bound  trains are running via the  from 57th St-7th Ave and ending at Roosevelt Ave, while Manhattan bound  trains run normal???

[darkstar8983]

14 hours ago, Lawrence St said:

My head hurts reading this  service change.

So queens bound  trains are running via the  from 57th St-7th Ave and ending at Roosevelt Ave, while Manhattan bound  trains run normal???

No. The  is going to 71 Av until 9:45PM. The last 10-12  trains end at Roosevelt Av, then lay up between Roosevelt and 71 Av.

[Lawrence St]

7 minutes ago, darkstar8983 said:

No. The  is going to 71 Av until 9:45PM. The last 10-12  trains end at Roosevelt Av, then lay up between Roosevelt and 71 Av.

At that point just send the  to 96th St.

[darkstar8983]

2 minutes ago, Lawrence St said:

At that point just send the  to 96th St.

Those  trains are needed for daily service on the , and need to be moved so that the  can run express. Before this service change, no one noticed it because the last  trains of the evening would lay up on the express tracks east of 71 Av towards 179’St, then run on the  the next day

Edited April 9, 2023 by darkstar8983

[Calvin]

Next Weekend, West End line on the  will be taken over by the  line, partially the  too because it'll run to Coney Island southbound only. Brighton line between Prospect Park and Coney Island will have a Shuttle train and the bus between Prospect Park and Atlantic Av-Barclays Center, the Q90. 

Edited April 9, 2023 by Calvin

[Chris89292]

On 3/13/2023 at 2:41 PM, Chris89292 said:

It looks like we’re going to have some service changes coming to the  soon, Station renewals coming to 82 St and 111 St, construction expected May 2023, as well as the other stations, Woodside 61 Street Renewal in June 2023, 52 st and 69 st in 2024, and lastly 103 st Corona plaza in 2025, eventually the  express service will be affected, it’ll only run from Main St to 74 St during days of renovations at 61 Street

So there is a snapshot of the design of the stations on the Queens community board 3 Twitter, the  will receive the usual design used in previous renovations on other subway lines as expected, May 13th 2023 has been the start date of this project, 82nd Street Jackson Heights and 111 Street will be closed on the Manhattan bound platform first, also it’s been confirmed that the  express service will be suspended from 74th street to Queensboro plaza during station work at 61 Street

[Lawrence St]

But why not just suspend the in its entirety at that point? What are you saving by running it from 74th St to Main St, 3 minutes?

[Chris89292]

16 minutes ago, Lawrence St said:

But why not just suspend the in its entirety at that point? What are you saving by running it from 74th St to Main St, 3 minutes?

Yeah, but I think it’s to avoid crowds at junction Blvd, but still express service will be pretty much useless at that point as it’ll only skip 2 stops, there is also a plan to build temporary platforms at 46, 40 and 33 street stations, I’m not sure why this is the case, we’ll get more info once the project begins

 

[darkstar8983]

9 hours ago, Chris89292 said:

Yeah, but I think it’s to avoid crowds at junction Blvd, but still express service will be pretty much useless at that point as it’ll only skip 2 stops, there is also a plan to build temporary platforms at 46, 40 and 33 street stations, I’m not sure why this is the case, we’ll get more info once the project begins

 

I think it’s because of the switch configuration at Flushing Main St and the interlocking at Mets Willets Point. There is a capacity constraint of only 25-27 trains per hour on the local tracks in the north section of the  line. If they do all-local service, then you can only run 25-27 trains per hour on the whole line, but if there is “express” service, then you can run 29-30 TPH.

 

in my opinion the all local service makes more sense, and they should do all the Manhattan bound platforms simultaneously- 111 St, 103 St, 90 St, 82 St, 69 St, and 52 St in one go. Then switch to flushing bound, instead of staggering it. If ridership is the issue; then do what the MTA did in Astoria- alternate station closures. Do 111 St, 82 St, 69 St, and 52 St then do 103 St, 90 St, and 61 St. Each closure should take 8 months (similar to how Astoria’s timeline was done). A

Edited April 11, 2023 by darkstar8983

[Chris89292]

On 4/11/2023 at 7:27 AM, darkstar8983 said:

I think it’s because of the switch configuration at Flushing Main St and the interlocking at Mets Willets Point. There is a capacity constraint of only 25-27 trains per hour on the local tracks in the north section of the  line. If they do all-local service, then you can only run 25-27 trains per hour on the whole line, but if there is “express” service, then you can run 29-30 TPH.

 

in my opinion the all local service makes more sense, and they should do all the Manhattan bound platforms simultaneously- 111 St, 103 St, 90 St, 82 St, 69 St, and 52 St in one go. Then switch to flushing bound, instead of staggering it. If ridership is the issue; then do what the MTA did in Astoria- alternate station closures. Do 111 St, 82 St, 69 St, and 52 St then do 103 St, 90 St, and 61 St. Each closure should take 8 months (similar to how Astoria’s timeline was done). A

People can transfer at 74th street for  service, MTA will run more trains during the project, I’m sure  line riders wouldn’t mind such service pattern, renovations have to happen to repair defects, the stations are decaying, also 90th Street wasn’t included in the project

[darkstar8983]

1 hour ago, Chris89292 said:

People can transfer at 74th street for  service, MTA will run more trains during the project, I’m sure  line riders wouldn’t mind such service pattern, renovations have to happen to repair defects, the stations are decaying, also 90th Street wasn’t included in the project

Actually running the same service frequency all on local service would require more crews during rush hours / shorter breaks / and more trains on the road, reducing the rush hour spare factor. This will likely be written into the new pick, which is why I think I saw the express service will be ended around late June (on time for summer pick). Also remember that there will be reduced  service from May to November due to 63 St track reconstruction.  Queens is in for hell this year (Skip-Stop Express cut back to Crescent St, the Queens Blvd mess, now the flushing line, and Astoria is starting up its weekday  train GOs that reroute trains to 96 St, and closing one direction of  service (I think track replacement on the Astoria-bound local track))

Edited April 13, 2023 by darkstar8983

[CyclonicTrainLookout]

Planned - Express to Local

Jamaica Center-bound  runs local in Queens

May 12 - 14, Nights, beginning at 10 PM

No  service at Court Sq-23 St and Queens Plaza at this time.

What's happening?

We're modernizing signals on the Queens Blvd Line

 

There seems to be no mention of  running along 63rd Street that time. Is the  going to remain on 53rd Street but bypass those two stops?

[Calvin]

With this weekend for the  , the weekend after the 16th, on the 22nd and 23rd: the Brighton line will still have its Shuttle route between Coney Island and Prospect Park. However, the trains from 96 St will also be a Shuttle to and from Midtown-57 St. 

[Kamen Rider]

It would seem that it is impossible for them to turn the Q at Atlantic on F3.

While I don’t see the GO paperwork in the system yet, it looks like the interlocking will be locked in place southbound.

D will be directed over the bridge and through the bypass and express to 36th, while the N is using the tunnel and running local.

turning the Q at Whitehall is just… no… please sweet merciful GOD no… the interlocking there is already problematic given how it operates with two lines … with three lines, I don’t want to be anywhere near it.

the other logical location would be TSQ or 34, like what they did with the 63rd street shuttle in 1999… which leads me to believe there is another GO shutting down the Broadway Express tracks.

[Daniel The Cool]

12 minutes ago, Kamen Rider said:

the other logical location would be TSQ or 34, like what they did with the 63rd street shuttle in 1999… which leads me to believe there is another GO shutting down the Broadway Express tracks.

The  is turning at 34th Street that weekend due to the Train G.O

[ABCDEFGJLMNQRSSSWZ]

10 hours ago, Kamen Rider said:

It would seem that it is impossible for them to turn the Q at Atlantic on F3.

While I don’t see the GO paperwork in the system yet, it looks like the interlocking will be locked in place southbound.

D will be directed over the bridge and through the bypass and express to 36th, while the N is using the tunnel and running local.

turning the Q at Whitehall is just… no… please sweet merciful GOD no… the interlocking there is already problematic given how it operates with two lines … with three lines, I don’t want to be anywhere near it.

the other logical location would be TSQ or 34, like what they did with the 63rd street shuttle in 1999… which leads me to believe there is another GO shutting down the Broadway Express tracks.

Whitehall Street is a really annoying terminal from my experience. Since there's only 1 center track, if you're on a  train that happens to be close behind another, you might have to wait a bit which then backs up  as well. Also with the current way the signaling is set up, the  also often seems to wait in Montague for the  to leave even though it's pulling in on a completely different track.

I know the MTA won't do this unless neccessary, but I think they should consider making City Hall the  terminal as it'd have higher capacity and would just lead to fewer problems. A lot of de-interlining plans call for the elimination of the , but I don't think we're at a point where ridership would demand a maximally de-interlined BMT.

[Daniel The Cool]

Interesting G.O coming up on Memorial Day Weekend. All Northbound  Trains will be rerouted on 8th Avenue.