Planned Subway Service Changes

[MysteriousBtrain]

14 minutes ago, Lawrence St said:

Does anyone known when the next  shutdown between Manhattan and Brooklyn will start? I'm dying to see that  to 96th St again.

Check the MTA website.

[Lance]

23 hours ago, Lawrence St said:

Does anyone known when the next  shutdown between Manhattan and Brooklyn will start? I'm dying to see that  to 96th St again.

23 hours ago, MysteriousBtrain said:

Check the MTA website.

Specifically, page 49 of this site.

21 hours ago, Vtrain said:

Has anyone on this site heard on when the Chambers St J/Z stop will close for rehabilitation when this was announced just not long ago?

The station will remain open for the duration of the project, most of which only pertain to making the station fully accessible. See here for more details.

[BM5 via Woodhaven]

This is a bit interesting. Anyone know what's going on here? Also, the notices posted at stations aren't this detailed (they just say that there's limited service, and to transfer to the or )

 

STATION IMPROVEMENTS | 4:45 AM Mon, Jul 30 to 10 PM Fri, Aug 3
Limited uptown   service at 145 St in Manhattan

Uptown  trains stop at 145 St during the following hours:
9:20 AM to 4 PM and 6:45 PM to 9:30 PM (service ends early each night)

4 PM to 6:45 PM and 10:45 PM to 5 AM (overnight)

All other times:
For service to this station transfer to the or at 125 St.

For service from this station, take the  to 125 St and transfer to an uptown .

Reminder: trains do not operate overnight.

Edited July 27, 2018 by BM5 via Woodhaven

[darkstar8983]

58 minutes ago, BM5 via Woodhaven said:

This is a bit interesting. Anyone know what's going on here? Also, the notices posted at stations aren't this detailed (they just say that there's limited service, and to transfer to the or )

 

STATION IMPROVEMENTS | 4:45 AM Mon, Jul 30 to 10 PM Fri, Aug 3
Limited uptown   service at 145 St in Manhattan

Uptown  trains stop at 145 St during the following hours:
9:20 AM to 4 PM and 6:45 PM to 9:30 PM (service ends early each night)

4 PM to 6:45 PM and 10:45 PM to 5 AM (overnight)

All other times:
For service to this station transfer to the or at 125 St.

For service from this station, take the  to 125 St and transfer to an uptown .

Reminder: trains do not operate overnight.

Sounds like the uptown platform at 145 St  is out of service, so any train on the local track must skip 145 St. 

The only  trains that can platform are those that reverse to Brighton Beach from 145 St and the rush hour  express.

[Far rockaway]

 Planned subway service changes for August:

: Operates Every 16 minutes between 137th St and 242nd St the Bronx: Aug 4-5

: No trains between 135th st and E 180th St: Aug 4-5,18-19,25-26

: No trains between 149th St Grand Concourse and E 180th St

: No trains between Times Square 42nd St and 34th St Hudson Yards: Aug 4-5

: Brooklyn Bound Trains run via the  between W4th St and Jay St-Metrotech

: Brooklyn Bound Trains run via the  between W4th St and Jay St-Metrotech

: No trains between 34th St Herald Square and Atlantic Ave Barclays Center: Aug 18-19

: No trains Between Queens Plaza and World Trade Center: runs via 63rd and Broadway: Aug 4-5

: Coney Island Bound Trains run via the  and  lines to Jay St-Metrotech: Aug 4-5,18-19

179th St Bound Trains run via the  from 47th-50th St to Queens Plaza: Aug 4-5

: No trains between Crescent St and Jamaica Center: Aug 4-5,11-12,18-19

      No trains between Crescent St and Myrtle Ave: Aug 25-26

: No trains between either Broadway Junction or Myrtle Wyckoff Ave and 8av/14th St: Aug 11-12th

: No trains between Metropolitan Ave and Essex St, Take the  instead: Aug 25-26

 Trains extended to 96th St-2nd Av  train station: Aug 11-12th

: Trains run via the  from 36th St to Coney-Island Stillwell Av: Aug 4-5

No trains between Queensboro Plaza and Ditmars Blvd: Aug 4-5,11-12th

You can add on to the list if there's more planned service changes

 

[Lawrence St]

Cool, the is returning to it's original terminal. Haven't heard those announcements in a while.

[Union Tpke]

STATION RENOVATION | Until 5 AM Monday, Jul 30
 Manhattan-bound  platforms at Avenue U, Avenue P, Avenue N, Bay Pkwy and Avenue I are temporarily closed

Travel Alternatives
For service to these stations, take the  to Kings Hwy or 18 Av and transfer to a Coney Island-bound .

For service from these stations, take the  to Kings Hwy or Avenue X and transfer to a Manhattan-bound .

Click here for details about the Culver Line stations renewal project.
______________________________

[Far rockaway]

Update to the list

Note:

Brooklyn bound  and trains running via the  between W4 St and Jay st metrotech is on the last weekend of August, I forget to add the date.         

 trains operate in two sections during the weekend of the 18-19

Between 205 St and 34th St herald square. 

Between Atlantic Ave Barclays Center and Coney Island StillWell Ave  

 

[Union Tpke]

TRACK MAINTENANCE | Monday to Friday, until Aug 31, 2018
Trains run at a reduced speed in the area of 149 St-Grand Concourse  
 

You may experience longer wait times and delays on the  and  trains as we repair a switch at 149 St-Grand Concourse.

For more information read our Customer Commitment and Fast Forward plan to modernize New York City Transit.

[Lance]

So, business as usual then.

[Lawrence St]

Can someone explain to me why at times it can take a whole month to repair a switch and other times it only takes a weekend?

[AlgorithmOfTruth]

1 hour ago, Lawrence St said:

Can someone explain to me why at times it can take a whole month to repair a switch and other times it only takes a weekend?

This has to do with a lack of adequate supervision, inefficient management protocol, and uneccesarily restrictive Track Worker safety procedures.

[Lance]

That may be a part of it, but running through service for two lines puts a damper on quick completion as well. If I had to wager a guess, it's the junction between White Plains Rd and Jerome Ave that's being replaced. If they suspended  service for the duration of the project, it would probably wrap up in a shorter timeframe. Of course, nobody's going to stand for those kind of operations during peak periods, which leaves us with the slow speed order. Also, from what I understand, very few of these types of projects actually finish in the span of a single weekend. It's just that they aren't critical switches, so having it out of service for a few weeks with nothing happening is not a major problem.

Shifting gears, look what's back for the end of the month:

STRUCTURAL IMPROVEMENTS | 9:30 PM Fri, Aug 24 to 5 AM Mon, Aug 27
No trains between Myrtle Av and Crescent St in Brooklyn
No trains running - Take the instead

Think they'll get it right this time?

[S78 via Hylan]

51 minutes ago, Lance said:

Shifting gears, look what's back for the end of the month:

STRUCTURAL IMPROVEMENTS | 9:30 PM Fri, Aug 24 to 5 AM Mon, Aug 27
No trains between Myrtle Av and Crescent St in Brooklyn
No trains running - Take the instead

Think they'll get it right this time?

They probably won’t , but here’s to hoping.

[Far rockaway]

STRUCTURAL IMPROVEMENTS | 9:30 PM Fri, Aug 17 to 5 AM Mon, Aug 20
No  trains running

  trains and free shuttle buses provide alternate service

 Shuttle Buses make all stops between Court Sq and Hoyt-Schermerhorn, connecting with the  at Jay St-MetroTech.

  trains make stops between Bergen St and Church Av.

• Transfer between  trains and shuttle buses at Jay St-MetroTech.

[darkstar8983]

On 8/3/2018 at 8:28 AM, Lance said:

That may be a part of it, but running through service for two lines puts a damper on quick completion as well. If I had to wager a guess, it's the junction between White Plains Rd and Jerome Ave that's being replaced. If they suspended  service for the duration of the project, it would probably wrap up in a shorter timeframe. Of course, nobody's going to stand for those kind of operations during peak periods, which leaves us with the slow speed order. Also, from what I understand, very few of these types of projects actually finish in the span of a single weekend. It's just that they aren't critical switches, so having it out of service for a few weeks with nothing happening is not a major problem.

Shifting gears, look what's back for the end of the month:

STRUCTURAL IMPROVEMENTS | 9:30 PM Fri, Aug 24 to 5 AM Mon, Aug 27
No trains between Myrtle Av and Crescent St in Brooklyn
No trains running - Take the instead

Think they'll get it right this time?

The  in its current service pattern would have to be temporarily suspended, but not necessarily mean a reduction in overall service. What could be done is:

 

 - keep as is

 - temporarily reroute to Dyre Av

 - unchanged

 - operate between Flatbush Av and some terminal along the  line (149 St, Burnside Av, Bedford Park Blvd)

 

Yes White Plains Road would lose direct Lexington Av Service and 148 St would require shuttle buses, but it temporarily de-interlines the Bronx Portion of the IRT and allows for the work to progress. Work can be completed in slightly less time IF and ONLY if the main work is along the stretch of the  to get to Jerome Av-138 St/Grand Concourse

 

[Lawrence St]

14 minutes ago, darkstar8983 said:

The  in its current service pattern would have to be temporarily suspended, but not necessarily mean a reduction in overall service. What could be done is:

 

 - keep as is

 - temporarily reroute to Dyre Av

 - unchanged

 - operate between Flatbush Av and some terminal along the  line (149 St, Burnside Av, Bedford Park Blvd)

 

Yes White Plains Road would lose direct Lexington Av Service and 148 St would require shuttle buses, but it temporarily de-interlines the Bronx Portion of the IRT and allows for the work to progress. Work can be completed in slightly less time IF and ONLY if the main work is along the stretch of the  to get to Jerome Av-138 St/Grand Concourse

 

I hope you realize that you give Jerome to much service in this case. Trains will start piling up on each other.

[Lance]

The problem I see with a lot of these ideas is that, in solving one problem, it creates another, sometimes several others. In this example, as mentioned, because the  is now rerouted to Dyre Av, there is no service to 148 St-Lenox Terminal, creating the need for shuttle buses where there previously wasn't one (expense). It also requires more cars for service than the current operations (another expense). Under this proposal, train service would continue to operate along Jerome Ave, which means only a few sets will be made available on the shortened  line, less so if service is extended far up Jerome Ave. Extending the  all the way to Dyre Av from 135 Street would require more train sets, and thus more crews to operate them (see previous) to meet normal service, possibly more than could be provided by freed up sets. Another thing this would do is invent a new transfer point as there would be no direct service between White Plains Rd and Lexington Ave, possibly overwhelming the already crowded Jerome Ave platform at peak periods. All this for a relatively minor service change seems a lot like overkill. More so since the delays themselves are relatively minor, at least on the trains I'm on in the mornings. Sometimes, the best solution is the simplest one: slow down the trains in the work zone slightly and otherwise leave service as is.

[Lawrence St]

38 minutes ago, Lance said:

The problem I see with a lot of these ideas is that, in solving one problem, it creates another, sometimes several others. In this example, as mentioned, because the  is now rerouted to Dyre Av, there is no service to 148 St-Lenox Terminal, creating the need for shuttle buses where there previously wasn't one (expense). It also requires more cars for service than the current operations (another expense). Under this proposal, train service would continue to operate along Jerome Ave, which means only a few sets will be made available on the shortened  line, less so if service is extended far up Jerome Ave. Extending the  all the way to Dyre Av from 135 Street would require more train sets, and thus more crews to operate them (see previous) to meet normal service, possibly more than could be provided by freed up sets. Another thing this would do is invent a new transfer point as there would be no direct service between White Plains Rd and Lexington Ave, possibly overwhelming the already crowded Jerome Ave platform at peak periods. All this for a relatively minor service change seems a lot like overkill. More so since the delays themselves are relatively minor, at least on the trains I'm on in the mornings. Sometimes, the best solution is the simplest one: slow down the trains in the work zone slightly and otherwise leave service as is.

Can you be our new transit president plz? Thanks.

[darkstar8983]

16 hours ago, Lance said:

The problem I see with a lot of these ideas is that, in solving one problem, it creates another, sometimes several others. In this example, as mentioned, because the  is now rerouted to Dyre Av, there is no service to 148 St-Lenox Terminal, creating the need for shuttle buses where there previously wasn't one (expense). It also requires more cars for service than the current operations (another expense). Under this proposal, train service would continue to operate along Jerome Ave, which means only a few sets will be made available on the shortened  line, less so if service is extended far up Jerome Ave. Extending the  all the way to Dyre Av from 135 Street would require more train sets, and thus more crews to operate them (see previous) to meet normal service, possibly more than could be provided by freed up sets. Another thing this would do is invent a new transfer point as there would be no direct service between White Plains Rd and Lexington Ave, possibly overwhelming the already crowded Jerome Ave platform at peak periods. All this for a relatively minor service change seems a lot like overkill. More so since the delays themselves are relatively minor, at least on the trains I'm on in the mornings. Sometimes, the best solution is the simplest one: slow down the trains in the work zone slightly and otherwise leave service as is.

I see your point, but was just trying to keep trains moving. And yes the shortened  would have caused a bit of a pile up on the  but would have meant that  trains in manhattan could have been slightly less full. 

 

With the new transit president don’t be surprised if we start seeing more invasive methods to service changes to wrap up work faster, similar to how the  ran express from Parsons Blvd/Jamaica Van Wyck to 71 Av full-time for 11 days due to track replacement. Ripping off the band aid rather than peeling it and feeling every inch of your skin hurt for a longer time

[Abba]

According the MTA site Manhattan bound  trains are via the  this weekend but according to subway time and a t/o I asked today  train service is normal this weekend in Brooklyn.

[paulrivera]

Wow, only one track open on the Manhattan Bridge next weekend:

TRACK REPLACEMENT | 10:30 PM Fri, Aug 17 to 5 AM Mon, Aug 20
Trains will not run between 34 St-Herald Sq, Manhattan and Atlantic Av-Barclays Ctr, Brooklyn
 

TRACK REPLACEMENT | 11 PM Fri, Aug 17 to 5 AM Mon, Aug 20
Astoria-bound trains run via the from 36 St, Brooklyn to Canal St, Manhattan
 

TRACK REPLACEMENT | 11 PM Fri, Aug 17 to 5 AM Mon, Aug 20
96 St-bound trains run via the from DeKalb Av, Brooklyn to Canal St, Manhattan

At this point, I would have also closed the one remaining track off to give the track workers an unimpeded work zone, and give lower Broadway a consistent 4 minute headway instead of 4 minutes heading uptown and 12 minutes heading back down. But what do I know about running a debt ridden, mismanaged, inept transit system 🤷‍♂️
 

[Daniel The Cool]

16 minutes ago, paulrivera said:

Wow, only one track open on the Manhattan Bridge next weekend:

TRACK REPLACEMENT | 10:30 PM Fri, Aug 17 to 5 AM Mon, Aug 20
Trains will not run between 34 St-Herald Sq, Manhattan and Atlantic Av-Barclays Ctr, Brooklyn
 

TRACK REPLACEMENT | 11 PM Fri, Aug 17 to 5 AM Mon, Aug 20
Astoria-bound trains run via the from 36 St, Brooklyn to Canal St, Manhattan
 

TRACK REPLACEMENT | 11 PM Fri, Aug 17 to 5 AM Mon, Aug 20
96 St-bound trains run via the from DeKalb Av, Brooklyn to Canal St, Manhattan

At this point, I would have also closed the one remaining track off to give the track workers an unimpeded work zone, and give lower Broadway a consistent 4 minute headway instead of 4 minutes heading uptown and 12 minutes heading back down. But what do I know about running a debt ridden, mismanaged, inept transit system 🤷‍♂️
 

The Track replacement project has to with the northbound tracks north of Dekalb before the split which is why  Trains aren't running between 34th Street and Atlantic Avenue as well as northbound  Trains running via the Tube. It has nothing to do with work on the Bridge.

Edited August 13, 2018 by Daniel The Cool

[Lance]

6 hours ago, paulrivera said:

At this point, I would have also closed the one remaining track off to give the track workers an unimpeded work zone, and give lower Broadway a consistent 4 minute headway instead of 4 minutes heading uptown and 12 minutes heading back down. But what do I know about running a debt ridden, mismanaged, inept transit system 

Because running three services on one track with a track change on both ends of the reroute for one of the services has never caused any problems, right? Let's do it in the other direction as well even though there's no real reason to do so.

[paulrivera]

2 hours ago, Lance said:

Because running three services on one track with a track change on both ends of the reroute for one of the services has never caused any problems, right? Let's do it in the other direction as well even though there's no real reason to do so.

As a customer I'd rather see that than wait 15 minutes for an  train, but your point is valid.