MTARegional Bus Posted October 24, 2012 Share #476 Posted October 24, 2012 That alone is why I don't see why folks think Obama is so great. It isn't that Romney is either, but Obama had 4 years to make some moves. He keeps talking about infrastructure for example, just as he did in his last campaign and all I hear is talk overall and very little action. We need results in this country, not hot air. Aside from spending a ton to save the auto industry, I really don't see how he ran up 1.6 trillion dollars in debt when we still have 23 million Americans unemployed. Seems like no one has anything to say about that though. I don't care what party a President is a part of, that is not acceptable and he shouldn't get a pass just because he's a Democrat, which automatically to some makes folks think that they're looking out for their best interest. Not necessarily the case. Romney IMO is much better than say John McCain who pretty much admitted that he didn't have a clue about the economy. Nether candidate doesn't know anything about the economy, Just because Romney can balance a state budget doesn't mean he can also balance the U.S budget, It is a totally different ball field. Also Trainmaster5 has a good point, if Romney Wins the Democrat will go Revenge mode by making Romney a 1 term president and yet again not getting important bills passed. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Trainmaster5 Posted October 24, 2012 Share #477 Posted October 24, 2012 VG8,Shortline,MTARegional,and Tokkemon, have all brought up points that I've tried to cover. VG8 says that Romney isn't a " true: Republican. He's right in a sense because that party is undergoing a transformation within itself and until it plays out fully with either the Tea Party types or the Lugar, Olympia Snowe types taking control they, like Romney, have no real identity except the Republican brand. In 2010 they more or less adopted the Tea Party ideas and won a lot of elections in the process causing the Republican party leaders to jump on the bandwagon and adopt a "let's get Obama out" agenda. They blocked every piece of legislation the Democrats or Obama proposed, including infrastructure,education, and jobs bills even those that would help the very constituents they now represent and those they would like to represent in the future. That's the reason for Obama's "baby steps". The US government has been operating under what's called "continuing resolutions" for at least 2 years. Why, because one faction of the Republican party wanted the POTUS to fail and in the process keeping the US government from making moves to get us out of this economic morass we find ourselves in. The Democratic Party and the electorate as a whole are also divided which only makes things worse. The only way I can see us as a country climbing out of this hole is by compromise, within the country and within the factions in both parties The upcoming election is a start but the real deal begins on January 1st. When you pick up your paychecks for that and the following weeks don't start crying because you're taking home less dinero. Federal tax rates are scheduled to increase and major cuts to all Federal programs are scheduled to kick in across the board no matter who is elected POTUS. That's the direct result of the inaction of part of our congress. You can't blame mainstream Republicans, Democrats, or Obama for that, can you? Just my perspective on this mess we're in, a mess I put squarely at the feet of a petulant wing of a political party whose leadership caved in, instead of thinking about the welfare of whole country first . I'd like to see Romney try cut taxes by 20% on day one in that scenario. The US would have to go to credit counseling and China just to pay it's bills. Carry on. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Phantom909 Posted October 24, 2012 Share #478 Posted October 24, 2012 My point was that any politician,business person, or you and I, can portray themselves as successful, when we're using other people's money and taking no real risk. its a lot better than using other people`s money (our tax money) and running up $5.8 trillion dollars in debt in 4 years which obama has done. joe Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Trainmaster5 Posted October 25, 2012 Share #479 Posted October 25, 2012 its a lot better than using other people`s money (our tax money) and running up $5.8 trillion dollars in debt in 4 years which obama has done. joe Yet no one was worried when we accumulated debt before he took office? No one spoke up about the economy tanking before he took office? Seems like selective memory is in play here. While everyone was jumping up and down waving flags while we were kicking Sadaam to the curb no one wondered how we were paying for "shock and awe", did they? I don't absolve Obama for his mistakes by a long shot, but whom exactly is responsible for the last two administrations and our present debt crisis ? It would still be here if we elected Hillary, McCain, Obama, Romney, Hoover, the Roosevelts, or Mickey Mouse. Every American wants Social Security, Medicare, and the military relatively untouched, am I right?. No one wants the home mortgage, child credit, and charitable income tax deductions removed, do they? Everyone agrees that the returning members of the military should be treated fairly, correct? Farmers don't want their subsidies taken away and the urban areas want their transit subsidized, too. Should the Federal government stop helping victims of natural disasters like tornadoes, hurricanes,drought, oil rig mishaps? Maybe we should end all types of welfare and unemployment insurance? That's coming from other people's money (our tax money) also. It's one thing to criticize a person's agenda, but at least come up with a reasonable alternative to the problem instead of naysaying and letting it go at that. From where I sit neither candidate can come up with a plan that is better than the painful alternative known as " Simpson- Bowles" set out by the presidential commision. If you have a better plan I (and America) would love to hear it before the election. The" anyone but Obama/Romney" type voters are missing the real threat IMO. It appears there will be a lot of fingerpointing and teeth gnashing come next year no matter who wins the presidency next month. The credit rating agencies and the debt holders will have the final say in the long run no matter what. Surely you can agree with that? Carry on. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Via Garibaldi 8 Posted October 25, 2012 Share #480 Posted October 25, 2012 Yet no one was worried when we accumulated debt before he took office? No one spoke up about the economy tanking before he took office? Seems like selective memory is in play here. While everyone was jumping up and down waving flags while we were kicking Sadaam to the curb no one wondered how we were paying for "shock and awe", did they? I don't absolve Obama for his mistakes by a long shot, but whom exactly is responsible for the last two administrations and our present debt crisis ? It would still be here if we elected Hillary, McCain, Obama, Romney, Hoover, the Roosevelts, or Mickey Mouse. Every American wants Social Security, Medicare, and the military relatively untouched, am I right?. No one wants the home mortgage, child credit, and charitable income tax deductions removed, do they? Everyone agrees that the returning members of the military should be treated fairly, correct? Farmers don't want their subsidies taken away and the urban areas want their transit subsidized, too. Should the Federal government stop helping victims of natural disasters like tornadoes, hurricanes,drought, oil rig mishaps? Maybe we should end all types of welfare and unemployment insurance? That's coming from other people's money (our tax money) also. It's one thing to criticize a person's agenda, but at least come up with a reasonable alternative to the problem instead of naysaying and letting it go at that. From where I sit neither candidate can come up with a plan that is better than the painful alternative known as " Simpson- Bowles" set out by the presidential commision. If you have a better plan I (and America) would love to hear it before the election. The" anyone but Obama/Romney" type voters are missing the real threat IMO. It appears there will be a lot of fingerpointing and teeth gnashing come next year no matter who wins the presidency next month. The credit rating agencies and the debt holders will have the final say in the long run no matter what. Surely you can agree with that? Carry on. We all know Bush spent like a drunken sailor. The difference is Obama promised to reduce spending and he went right on ahead and followed in Bush's steps and run up more debt and then turns around and tries to blame Bush for that too. I mean really... That's my problem with the deal. He's a hypocrite because he sat there calling out Bush... Oh he ran up trillions in debt and turns around and runs up 1.6 trillion in debt! Are we supposed to be overlook that he basically lied to the American people??? I NEVER voted for Bush (I withheld my voted for the first Bush term and voted for Nader for the second Bush term) so yeah I wasn't wild about Bush either, but Obama... I mean really... I actually had a bit of hope that things would change in Washington and he pretty much killed it in his first term, so it's time for real change. What's frightening is that he spent all of that so-called stimulus money supposedly earmarked for jobs and we still have 23 million Americans out of work. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Tokkemon Posted October 25, 2012 Share #481 Posted October 25, 2012 Check this site out: http://www.isidewith.com/presidential-election-quiz It's a great way to show where you stand with all the candidates. Post your results and show us where you stand politically! Here's my results: http://www.isidewith.com/results/181462399 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Via Garibaldi 8 Posted October 25, 2012 Share #482 Posted October 25, 2012 Check this site out: http://www.isidewith...l-election-quiz It's a great way to show where you stand with all the candidates. Post your results and show us where you stand politically! Here's my results: http://www.isidewith...sults/181462399 I'm usually up on the Liberterians, but this Gary Johnson guy I've never heard of before... Funny thing is I'm almost neck and neck with Romney & Johnson! http://www.isidewith.com/results/181795332 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
MHV9218 Posted October 25, 2012 Share #483 Posted October 25, 2012 That quiz depressed me. To think that "do you agree with the theory of evolution?" is even a question... Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Via Garibaldi 8 Posted October 25, 2012 Share #484 Posted October 25, 2012 That quiz depressed me. To think that "do you agree with the theory of evolution?" is even a question... Hey listen that was a hot topic when I had my Anthropology class in college. This one white chick was quite dismissive about the idea that she could've evolved from Africa. She just didn't see how it was possible that she could evolve from a dark skinned black person when she had light skin, blond hair and light blue eyes and thus supported the theory that everyone came about on different continents. I have to say that it has made me think as well to be honest. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
GojiMet86 Posted October 25, 2012 Share #485 Posted October 25, 2012 Hey listen that was a hot topic when I had my Anthropology class in college. This one white chick was quite dismissive about the idea that she could've evolved from Africa. She just didn't see how it was possible that she could evolve from a dark skinned black person when she had light skin, blond hair and light blue eyes and thus supported the theory that everyone came about on different continents. I have to say that it has made me think as well to be honest. Well, that kind of ignores archeology and biological evidence, which basically means evolution is very true, with some modifications every here and then. Scientist and archeologists to an extent do have arguements about our origin, but to them, evolution is already a given. I'm very surprised that I sided 78% with Jill Stein. However, I agreed with Obama 76%,so it's very close. I had Rocky Anderson at 63%, and Mitt Romney at 39%. Candidates you side with... 78% Jill Stein Green on immigration, foreign policy, environmental, and domestic policy issues 76% Barack Obama Democrat on immigration, foreign policy, healthcare, environmental, and economic issues 63% Rocky Anderson Justice on immigration, foreign policy, environmental, and economic issues 39% Mitt Romney Republican on science and social issues 55% New York Voters on immigration, foreign policy, science, domestic policy, environmental, and economic issues. 51% American Voters on immigration, foreign policy, science, domestic policy, environmental, and economic issues. Who the hell is Rocky Anderson? I'm not surprised that I sided with Romney on social issues, but I do find it strange that I sided with Romney on science. Candidates you side with by issue... Mostimportant to me Immigration I side the most with Jill Stein on immigration issues. Moreimportant to me Science I side the most with Mitt Romney on science issues. Moreimportant to me Healthcare I side the most with Barack Obama on healthcare issues. Moreimportant to me Social I side the most with Mitt Romney on socialissues. Moreimportant to me The Economy I side the most with Rocky Anderson on economic issues. Somewhatimportant to me Domestic Policy I side the most with Jill Stein on domestic policy issues. Somewhatimportant to me Foreign Policy I side the most with Jill Stein on foreign policy issues. Somewhatimportant to me The Environment I side the most with Jill Stein on environmentalissues. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
CenSin Posted October 25, 2012 Share #486 Posted October 25, 2012 These are my results: http://www.isidewith.com/results/183178093 I'm pro-science, pro-nature, pro-choice (which includes reproductive decisions and the freedom to marry a person of any gender). On foreign policy: leave the other countries alone and take care of problems back home. On health care: whatever reduces the burden on the tax payers. On the economy: the lower the capital gains taxes, the better (I have investments). I don't know who the hell Jill Stein, Gary Johnson, and Rocky Anderson are… Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Tokkemon Posted October 25, 2012 Share #487 Posted October 25, 2012 That quiz depressed me. To think that "do you agree with the theory of evolution?" is even a question... You can go be depressed somewhere else. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
CenSin Posted October 25, 2012 Share #488 Posted October 25, 2012 You can go be depressed somewhere else. It just goes to show how divided the country is. Each side believes the other to be idiots. Personally, I get the impression that conservatives equate the pursuit of science to eating the Forbidden Fruit. It's a bunch of baloney, and in this day and age it should be shocking that people choose to not know or seek the truths in this world believing that everything to know has always been serialized into a book (or set of books). Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
GojiMet86 Posted October 25, 2012 Share #489 Posted October 25, 2012 It just goes to show how divided the country is. Each side believes the other to be idiots. Personally, I get the impression that conservatives equate the pursuit of science to eating the Forbidden Fruit. It's a bunch of baloney, and in this day and age it should be shocking that people choose to not know or seek the truths in this world believing that everything to know has always been serialized into a book (or set of books). Conservatives (well, not every one of them) not believing in evolution is ironic, considering that they frequently have that "Survival of the Fittest" mentality, which to a great extent is derived from evolution. And its even more funny when they say things like "This is the real world, this is reality, deal with it". Evolution is the most realistic and most provable of all creation theories, religious or scientific. There's too much evidence in favor of it. Occasionally, things are revised, but not one piece of evidence comes that single-handedly overthrows the theory. Or maybe, they don't want to believe that they're related to those "savages" that live in the ghetto. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Threxx Posted October 25, 2012 Share #490 Posted October 25, 2012 I just took it, and I sided most with Jill Stein and President Obama, as I expected. And yes, the theory of evolution should not be a question there... smh Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
MHV9218 Posted October 25, 2012 Share #491 Posted October 25, 2012 You can go be depressed somewhere else. Do you think it's a legitimate question? Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
RTS CNG Command Posted October 25, 2012 Share #492 Posted October 25, 2012 Here are my results. The results shocked me a bit. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
GojiMet86 Posted October 25, 2012 Share #493 Posted October 25, 2012 Here are my results. The results shocked me a bit. Stein, too? Surprised me, too. Too much to the left for my taste, but whatever. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Turbo19 Posted October 26, 2012 Share #494 Posted October 26, 2012 Here are my results. A little suprised that I disagreed with Romney that much. http://www.isidewith.com/results/183365161 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Tokkemon Posted October 26, 2012 Share #495 Posted October 26, 2012 Do you think it's a legitimate question? Of course. Some folks believe it and some don't. Hence its legitimate, regardless of what your own stand is. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
MTARegional Bus Posted October 26, 2012 Share #496 Posted October 26, 2012 Do you guys think the general election maybe Move from 6 of November to other date because of the aftermath of hurricane sandy? Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
GojiMet86 Posted October 26, 2012 Share #497 Posted October 26, 2012 Of course. Some folks believe it and some don't. Hence its legitimate, regardless of what your own stand is. You might as well be asking whether or not you believe the theory that the Earth is round, or if you believe the theory of gravity. There's no legitimacy in asking if someone believes in the theory of evolution. Tell me, what other theory do you believe? Adam and Eve? Space aliens and Prometheus? If you question evolution, at least in its entirety, you might as well be questioning whether or not the Earth is round. Simple as that. My advice? Just take a walk down at the History of Natural Museum, or go talk to archaeologists, biologists, paleontologists, and actual experts whether or not they think evolution is true or false. And I'm asking this question as a Catholic. We've already made a mistake with Galileo. We've learned since then not to follow scriptures too closely, and that science is far more accurate in describing the physical world we live in. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Threxx Posted October 26, 2012 Share #498 Posted October 26, 2012 BTW, here are my results: http://www.isidewith.com/results/183282767 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
RTS CNG Command Posted October 26, 2012 Share #499 Posted October 26, 2012 Do you guys think the general election maybe Move from 6 of November to other date because of the aftermath of hurricane sandy? Depends. If the damage and/or wind are minimal, go forward with the election. If the hurricane and/or damage are too extensive, extend it. Many of the boxes are electronic in various states this year, the weather can glitch up the polls; and there are people who wouldn't be able to vote on Election Day because of severe inclement weather. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
MTARegional Bus Posted October 26, 2012 Share #500 Posted October 26, 2012 Let hope its not an issue Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
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