Via Garibaldi 8 Posted October 11, 2013 Share #1 Posted October 11, 2013 I've been looking at several local bus routes and I'm pretty surprised to see how few of them offer overnight service. With the addition of Bus Time, it makes me wonder if the will consider overnight service for some lines that have seen it go by the waste side. IMO once the system is up in the five boroughs, it is something that should be looked into by the once they see how ridership goes, which I believe will increase, provided that bunching is dealt with and service becomes more reliable. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
MHV9218 Posted October 11, 2013 Share #2 Posted October 11, 2013 What routes do you have in mind? Overnight services in subway-covered areas in particular tends to be overkill, as riders out at 2am are rarely the elderly or disabled. The Manhattan overnight service setup is pretty well-configured, I think, but the further away from the city the worse it gets. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Via Garibaldi 8 Posted October 11, 2013 Author Share #3 Posted October 11, 2013 What routes do you have in mind? Overnight services in subway-covered areas in particular tends to be overkill, as riders out at 2am are rarely the elderly or disabled. The Manhattan overnight service setup is pretty well-configured, I think, but the further away from the city the worse it gets. Some crosstown routes for example don't have any overnight service and there are no subways that can cover those routes. Then you have routes in the outer boroughs that have no overnight service. I certainly wouldn't go overkill, but the has killed overnight service on quite a few routes leaving some communities with no bus service at all or anything else for that matter. In some cases, it would be a matter of adding 3 or 4 buses at the most. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Q43LTD Posted October 11, 2013 Share #4 Posted October 11, 2013 Current Manhattan crosstown routes that have overnight service: M14 M23 M42 M79 M86 M96 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
MHV9218 Posted October 11, 2013 Share #5 Posted October 11, 2013 That leaves the M8, the M21, M22, the M66, the M72, the M106, and the M116. The M106 and M116 are probably the least excusable of those, as there aren't many options up there and there are a fair amount of people trying to get around at those times. The 66 and 72 have decent access to the 79 and F train, and tend to serve a crowd that isn't likely to be prowling the streets at 4am. The 21 and 22 -- the 22 is pretty well-covered by the 15 on the East Side, and nobody is even out in BPC past 8pm, let alone 2am...no ridership there; the 21 has such low ridership in the first place that there'd have to be a real reason for that service. The M8, I personally think the last buses around 1:30 AM are pretty reasonable, especially since the 14 isn't too far and the M2's still running across 8th to the Broadway and Lex lines at late times too. Besides, Quill has occasionally run unannounced overnight service on the M8 well into 3/4 AM on nights when service is necessary. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Via Garibaldi 8 Posted October 11, 2013 Author Share #6 Posted October 11, 2013 Current Manhattan crosstown routes that have overnight service: M14 M23 M42 M79 M86 M96 Yeah that's not exactly great by any means... Nothing between 42nd to 79th street and nothing along 34th street seems a bit extreme to me. I'm also interested in routes that had their overnight service axed where there are few to no alternatives. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
bobtehpanda Posted October 11, 2013 Share #7 Posted October 11, 2013 Queens has a fairly basic overnight service available, which is appropriate given the lack of subway coverage out there. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Q43LTD Posted October 11, 2013 Share #8 Posted October 11, 2013 Yeah that's not exactly great by any means... Nothing between 42nd to 79th street and nothing along 34th street seems a bit extreme to me. I'm also interested in routes that had their overnight service axed where there are few to no alternatives.Manhattan crosstown routes that had overnight service cut in 2010M8 M16 M22 M50 M66 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Via Garibaldi 8 Posted October 11, 2013 Author Share #9 Posted October 11, 2013 Manhattan crosstown routes that had overnight service cut in 2010 M8 M16 M22 M50 M66 Uh huh... The M66 was one that I was thinking of. That explains the huge gap then... Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
B35 via Church Posted October 12, 2013 Share #10 Posted October 12, 2013 They won't increase bus service during the overnight hours because BusTime exists... Anyway, if someone's bored enough, can someone compile a list of all the routes in the boroughs that does not run overnights..... Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
lupojohn Posted October 12, 2013 Share #11 Posted October 12, 2013 I'd personally run the M98 overnight. Then again, i'd revamp M98 service altogether. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
lupojohn Posted October 12, 2013 Share #12 Posted October 12, 2013 No overnight service: Manhattan M1 M3 M4 M5 M10 M11 M14A/D (no overnight service to Abingdon Square terminus) M15 has no SBS overnight. M20 M22 M31 M34 M34A M35 M50 M57 M66 M72 M100 M106 M116 Bronx Bx4 Bx4A Bx6 service termiinates at 155th Street/Amsterdam Avenue Bx7 Bx15 local service is extended to West 125th Street and 12th Avenue during late nights and weekends when LTD service isn't running. Bx22 overnight service ends at Pelham Parkway/Boston Road. Bx27 does not serve Westchester Avenue evenings and overnight, ending at Morrison-Soundview. Bx38 Bx46 Queens Q1 overnight service operates to Bellrose, then to Queens Village via Jamaica Avenue. Q10 No overnight Limited-stop service. Q11 Overnight southern terminal is Pitkin Avenue at Cross Bay Boulevard. Q13 Q15 Q16 Q18 Q19 no evening service, as well. Q20A Q20B Q30 Q39 had overnight service ADDED in August 2007. Q53 overnight service ADDED in September 2013. Q60 overnight service ADDED in August 2007. Q64 overnight service ADDED in September 2013. Brooklyn B2 discontinued overnight service in 1995. B4 B6 LTD also has no Sunday service. B7 discontinued overnight service in 2010. B9 B11 discontinued overnight service in 2010. B13 B16 discontinued overnight service in 1995. B20 B31 B32 also has no late-night service. B35 LTD B38 only serve the Catalpa terminal. B44 LTD B46 LTD B49 B57 B65 B67 B69 B70 B74 B83 B84 Staten Island S44 S52 S57 S59 S61 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
S78 via Hylan Posted October 12, 2013 Share #13 Posted October 12, 2013 You missed the S76 and S79 SBS. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
MHV9218 Posted October 12, 2013 Share #14 Posted October 12, 2013 No overnight service: Manhattan M14A/D (no overnight service to Abingdon Square terminus) Bit of a stretch...the M14A along Ave A and M14D along Ave D run all night long. It's just that after 1am the 14A goes to Chelsea Piers, but it's still service. The M8 is the crosstown that doesn't run at night in the Village area. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Mysterious2train Posted October 12, 2013 Share #15 Posted October 12, 2013 @B35 asking for a list of every route with no overnight service: Challenge accepted Bronx: Bx1, Bx2, Bx3, Bx4, Bx5, Bx7, Bx8, Bx11, Bx13, Bx16, Bx17, Bx18, Bx20, Bx23, Bx24, Bx26, Bx29, Bx30, Bx31, Bx32, Bx33, Bx34*, Bx38, Bx39+, Bx42, Bx46 Note: Bx34 lost overnight service in June 2010 Note: Bx39 gained overnight service between in June 2010, between Gun Hill Road and 241 St only, to replace truncated Bx41 service Brooklyn: B2, B4, B7*, B9, B11, B13, B16, B20, B24, B31*, B32, B39^, B45*, B49, B57*, B64*, B65*, B67*, B70, B74, B83, B84, B100, B103 Note: B7, B31, B45, B57, B64, B65 and B67 lost overnight service in June 2010. B39 also ran overnight prior to being eliminated in June 2010, but does not run overnight after being restored in 2013. Manhattan: M1*, M3, M4, M5, M8*, M9, M10, M11, M20, M21, M22*, M31, M34SBS/M34ASBS*, M35, M50*, M57, M66*, M72, M98, M100, M106, M116 Note: M1, M8, M22, M50 and M66 lost overnight service in June 2010, as did the M34ASBS, previously known as the M16. Queens: Q7, Q8, Q9, Q13, Q15/Q15A, Q16, Q18, Q19, Q20Q/Q20B, Q21, Q22, Q23, Q26, Q29, Q30, Q31, Q32, Q34, Q37, Q38, Q40, Q41, Q42, Q47, Q48, Q49, Q50, Q52, Q67, Q69, Q72, Q76, Q77, Q84, Q88, Q102, Q103, Q112 Note: Q53 and Q64 gained overnight service in September 2013 Staten Island: S42, S44, S52, S54, S55, S56, S57, S59, S60, S61, S66, S76, S79SBS, as well as all Limited counterparts (S81, S84, S86, S89, S91, S92, S93, S94, S96, S98) Express Bus: No overnight service across the board, except the X1, which gained it in January 2013. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
lupojohn Posted October 12, 2013 Share #16 Posted October 12, 2013 @B35 asking for a list of every route with no overnight service: Challenge accepted Bronx: Bx1, Bx2, Bx3, Bx4, Bx5, Bx7, Bx8, Bx11, Bx13, Bx16, Bx17, Bx18, Bx20, Bx23, Bx24, Bx26, Bx29, Bx30, Bx31, Bx32, Bx33, Bx34*, Bx38, Bx39+, Bx42, Bx46 Note: Bx34 lost overnight service in June 2010 Note: Bx39 gained overnight service between in June 2010, between Gun Hill Road and 241 St only, to replace truncated Bx41 service Brooklyn: B2, B4, B7*, B9, B11, B13, B16, B20, B24, B31*, B32, B39^, B45*, B49, B57*, B64*, B65*, B67*, B70, B74, B83, B84, B100, B103 Note: B7, B31, B45, B57, B64, B65 and B67 lost overnight service in June 2010. B39 also ran overnight prior to being eliminated in June 2010, but does not run overnight after being restored in 2013. Manhattan: M1*, M3, M4, M5, M8*, M9, M10, M11, M20, M21, M22*, M31, M34SBS/M34ASBS*, M35, M50*, M57, M66*, M72, M98, M100, M106, M116 Note: M1, M8, M22, M50 and M66 lost overnight service in June 2010, as did the M34ASBS, previously known as the M16. Queens: Q7, Q8, Q9, Q13, Q15/Q15A, Q16, Q18, Q19, Q20Q/Q20B, Q21, Q22, Q23, Q26, Q29, Q30, Q31, Q32, Q34, Q37, Q38, Q40, Q41, Q42, Q47, Q48, Q49, Q50, Q52, Q67, Q69, Q72, Q76, Q77, Q84, Q88, Q102, Q103, Q112 Note: Q53 and Q64 gained overnight service in September 2013 Staten Island: S42, S44, S52, S54, S55, S56, S57, S59, S60, S61, S66, S76, S79SBS, as well as all Limited counterparts (S81, S84, S86, S89, S91, S92, S93, S94, S96, S98) Express Bus: No overnight service across the board, except the X1, which gained it in January 2013. Didn't I just list them all? Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Mysterious2train Posted October 12, 2013 Share #17 Posted October 12, 2013 Your list is incomplete and missing several routes (for example, the Bx29 and Bx30 in the Bronx, and the B100 and B103 in Brooklyn). You also mentioned some Limited and Select services as well as branches that don't run overnight, which I don't really see the point of. I mean, if you're going to mention that Limited and Select routes don't run overnight, and list some of them, shouldn't you essentially list every single Limited and Select route? Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
lupojohn Posted October 12, 2013 Share #18 Posted October 12, 2013 Your list is incomplete and missing several routes (for example, the Bx29 and Bx30 in the Bronx, and the B100 and B103 in Brooklyn). You also mentioned some Limited and Select services as well as branches that don't run overnight, which I don't really see the point of. I mean, if you're going to mention that Limited and Select routes don't run overnight, and list some of them, shouldn't you essentially list every single Limited and Select route? No, because some Limited and Select do run overnight. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Fresh Pond Posted October 12, 2013 Share #19 Posted October 12, 2013 No, because some Limited and Select do run overnight. No SBS routes run overnight. They all have local counterparts instead except for the S79, M34 & M34A which have no service whatsoever The ONLY limited buses that run overnight are the Q53 and Q100 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
GreatOne2k Posted October 12, 2013 Share #20 Posted October 12, 2013 Bx3, Bx11, Bx13, Bx17, and Bx33 lost overnight service in 1995. Bx41 gained overnight service in 2003. Bx1, Bx3, Bx5, and Bx13 were proposed for late night service in 2007 (to be implemented in 2008). Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Vistausss Posted October 12, 2013 Share #21 Posted October 12, 2013 @Mysterious2Train: Well, your list is incomplete too. You missed the M15SBS which doesn't run overnight. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Mysterious2train Posted October 12, 2013 Share #22 Posted October 12, 2013 But the M15 does run at night. My list included only routes that have no service at all overnight. Barring the Q53 and Q100, none of the Limited or Select routes run at night, but many of them have local counterparts that are still running. If I listed every the M15SBS, then I would have to list every single Limited and Select route (again, barring the Q53 and Q100) for completeness' sake, which is not only a waste of space, but is something that doesn't merit mentioning, because again, most of them still have local service running, which is the exact same route.My post from last page: Your list is incomplete and missing several routes (for example, the Bx29 and Bx30 in the Bronx, and the B100 and B103 in Brooklyn). You also mentioned some Limited and Select services as well as branches that don't run overnight, which I don't really see the point of. I mean, if you're going to mention that Limited and Select routes don't run overnight, and list some of them, shouldn't you essentially list every single Limited and Select route?On a side note, since every page is only 10 posts now, that means we burned through a whole page just talking about lists. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Fresh Pond Posted October 12, 2013 Share #23 Posted October 12, 2013 But the M15 does run at night. My list included only routes that have no service at all overnight. Barring the Q53 and Q100, none of the Limited or Select routes run at night, but many of them have local counterparts that are still running. If I listed every the M15SBS, then I would have to list every single Limited and Select route (again, barring the Q53 and Q100) for completeness' sake, which is not only a waste of space, but is something that doesn't merit mentioning, because again, most of them still have local service running, which is the exact same route.My post from last page: On a side note, since every page is only 10 posts now, that means we burned through a whole page just talking about lists. Pretty much... Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
NYSubwayBuff Posted October 12, 2013 Share #24 Posted October 12, 2013 I think B31 needs to have overnight service because it's the only connection to the subway for Gerstein Beach riders Sent from my SGH-T989 using Tapatalk now Free Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
aemoreira81 Posted October 12, 2013 Share #25 Posted October 12, 2013 Current Manhattan crosstown routes that have overnight service: M14 M23 M42 M79 M86 M96 And Bx6, Bx15, Bx19, and M60. (All of them are crosstown in Manhattan.) What I would openly wonder though is: should there be a separate overnight route network? Toronto has a special "Blue Route" network of overnight routes. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
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