M. Friday 1986 Posted October 23, 2013 Share #1 Posted October 23, 2013 Today, history was made in which the last remaining R27 subway car, car number 8145 was removed from NYCT property - some 23 years after 229 of its sister cars were removed and scrapped. 8145 did her last years as a School Car, first at 36th Street Yard in the 1990s, and then later at Pitkin Yard. 8145 was joined with R30 subway car 8463, which was used in the movie "Money Train" for scenes filmed in the New York City area before also becoming a school car. The photos were taken by the 215th Street Station in Upper Manhattan. This on my way to work. R27 8145 R30 8463 Trucks and Other Parts Thank you for viewing. Enjoy. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Around the Horn Posted October 23, 2013 Share #2 Posted October 23, 2013 Which one had the New Jersey sign? Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
MHV9218 Posted October 23, 2013 Share #3 Posted October 23, 2013 Pretty wild that almost everything you photographed a little while ago in that set from the yards out in Bk has ended up being scrapped...more sad than anything. Thank god the R38s haven't been killed yet. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
realizm Posted October 23, 2013 Share #4 Posted October 23, 2013 Indeed this is something for the history books. You should copyright your pics on this one M. Friday. +1. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
M. Friday 1986 Posted October 23, 2013 Author Share #5 Posted October 23, 2013 Which one had the New Jersey sign? R27 8145. Check out first few pictures. If I recall, that one was basically hooked to one of the Arnines. So that's how someone managed to put up that paper sign. Pretty wild that almost everything you photographed a little while ago in that set from the yards out in Bk has ended up being scrapped...more sad than anything. Thank god the R38s haven't been killed yet. It was really surreal just seeing these cars go past me while I sat in my own car snapping these photos. Especially that it wasn't even a month ago that I took those pictures of them in Brooklyn. I'm sure that the R38 pair in Pitkin is definitely here to stay. We still have that R40M at CCY and those Redbirds there as well. And of course the R12/14 combo at 207. Indeed this is something for the history books. You should copyright your pics on this one M. Friday. +1. Thanks, bro. I definitely will do so. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Dj Hammers Posted October 23, 2013 Share #6 Posted October 23, 2013 Which R30s are left on TA property now? Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
M. Friday 1986 Posted October 23, 2013 Author Share #7 Posted October 23, 2013 Which R30s are left on TA property now? The ones that remain: 8429: Rail Adhesion Car, Coney Island Yard. 8558: Rail Adhesion Car, Pitkin Yard. 8481 / 8522: Transit Museum's "Museum Supply" cars at 207th Street Yard, still in the Redbird scheme. 8506: the museum R30 So there are 5 total. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Turbo19 Posted October 23, 2013 Share #8 Posted October 23, 2013 Nice set! Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
pelhamlocal Posted October 23, 2013 Share #9 Posted October 23, 2013 These deserved just a much TLC as the rest of still in service SMEE fleet, and i find it hard to believe that they retired them because they couldn't retrofit them with AC's, its all a bunch bull, they were supposed to go out by 2000 from what i've read. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
DJ MC Posted October 23, 2013 Share #10 Posted October 23, 2013 These deserved just a much TLC as the rest of still in service SMEE fleet, and i find it hard to believe that they retired them because they couldn't retrofit them with AC's, its all a bunch bull, they were supposed to go out by 2000 from what i've read. They were suppose to keep 50 of the R30s, for service increases, which explains why a number of GE R30s were still around even after their 1993 retirement (along with the WH units retired three years prior in 1990). Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
M. Friday 1986 Posted October 23, 2013 Author Share #11 Posted October 23, 2013 Nice set! Thanks bro! Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
SmallParkShuttle Posted October 24, 2013 Share #12 Posted October 24, 2013 Wow, salute to my B Div "redbirds". This is no laughing matter, Forest Whittaker! Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
MTARegional Bus Posted October 26, 2013 Share #13 Posted October 26, 2013 Wow, salute to my B Div "redbirds". This is no laughing matter, Forest Whittaker! Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
pelhamfrank dyre av Posted October 26, 2013 Share #14 Posted October 26, 2013 they will be missed Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Via Garibaldi 8 Posted October 27, 2013 Share #15 Posted October 27, 2013 Good bye and good riddance! Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
M. Friday 1986 Posted October 27, 2013 Author Share #16 Posted October 27, 2013 Good bye and good riddance! bah! Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
R10 2952 Posted November 2, 2013 Share #17 Posted November 2, 2013 Why did they scrap the last R-27 in existence? Christ. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest Lance Posted November 3, 2013 Share #18 Posted November 3, 2013 They were in terrible condition. Just based on the pictures, it looked like it would've taken a monumental effort to bring those cars back to rail-worthy status. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
ttcsubwayfan Posted November 3, 2013 Share #19 Posted November 3, 2013 Good bye and good riddance! I can clearly see how you, as a passenger, would be bothered by cars that haven't run in service for 20 years! Thank God we don't have people like you on our preservation teams and societies. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Via Garibaldi 8 Posted November 3, 2013 Share #20 Posted November 3, 2013 That's what important... What passengers want and what's practical, not want transit fans want... Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
ttcsubwayfan Posted November 3, 2013 Share #21 Posted November 3, 2013 Doesn't mean that we shouldn't preserve history, though. We should count ourselves lucky that this kind of attitude didn't prevail in Britain in the 1960s - if it did, countless locos and railways would have been scrapped and torn up 'just because'. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
M. Friday 1986 Posted November 4, 2013 Author Share #22 Posted November 4, 2013 Why did they scrap the last R-27 in existence? Christ. They were in terrible condition. Just based on the pictures, it looked like it would've taken a monumental effort to bring those cars back to rail-worthy status. As much as I've hoped for the R27's preservation, it took me until I saw these cars up close as they went by to realize why it had to be done. Like Lance said, these cars were pretty shot and it would've taken a whole lot to get these back to something somewhat presentable...maybe static display if we were lucky. In fact, I was told elsewhere that 8145 was supposed to have been scrapped - some 15 years ago. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
DJ MC Posted November 4, 2013 Share #23 Posted November 4, 2013 Doesn't mean that we shouldn't preserve history, though. We should count ourselves lucky that this kind of attitude didn't prevail in Britain in the 1960s - if it did, countless locos and railways would have been scrapped and torn up 'just because'. Same could be said over here in the US. In the 60s, the Lo-Vs that are now preserved had to be hidden in yards for years. The TA back then was hell bent on making the Lo-Vs nearly extinct, just like what they did with the Hi-Vs. When the transit museum came around, the TA decided to preserve retire equipment. It's too bad the idea didn't come sooner, since the prototype for the first steel passenger car was scrapped in February of 1956 and the first train to run on the subway was also scrapped too. As for 8145, I did hear that the R30s were known as the R27 class. We have 8506 (don't know what will be the disposition of 8522 and 8481). I think what we have now is good. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Lance Posted November 5, 2013 Share #24 Posted November 5, 2013 That's what important... What passengers want and what's practical, not want transit fans want... Riddle me this: how do cars that haven't been in passenger service in well over a decade two decades affect passenger safety? The only ones in danger with these two cars are the rodents and bugs that wind up on the trains through the open windows and cracked floors. On the subject of preservation, these cars could've been a part of some B-Div TOMC or something, but that might've been too similar to the IRT cars. EDIT: I couldn't remember if the two fleets in general was retired in the early '90s or around the turn of the millennium. It was the former. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Via Garibaldi 8 Posted November 5, 2013 Share #25 Posted November 5, 2013 Riddle me this: how do cars that haven't been in passenger service in well over a decade affect passenger safety? The only ones in danger with these two cars are the rodents and bugs that wind up on the trains through the open windows and cracked floors. On the subject of preservation, these cars could've been a part of some B-Div TOMC or something, but that might've been too similar to the IRT cars. I was speaking in general when I said that. There are some folks that would rather see a car (no matter what the car is) in service because they like the car when the car should be retired. That was my point. We've seen this with other cars that are either nearing retirement, have been retired or will be retired. It's one thing to be a rail fan and another to have deal with a particular car on a daily basis. What most passengers care about is cars that are clean, safe with adequate HVAC. I'm sure there are some that would like to see these cars in service despite all of the problems that they had. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
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