Union Tpke Posted August 5, 2016 Share #326 Posted August 5, 2016 I doubt government would grant a FOIA request for that. It would seem suspicious in today's world. Sent from my N9132 using Tapatalk I asked, and hopefully they will say yes. 0 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Take a Ride on the 1 Posted August 21, 2016 Share #327 Posted August 21, 2016 No matter what, the G will be full length when Canarsie shuts down, regardless of the car type(s) assigned to the line. So why is the currently 4 cars? 0 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Around the Horn Posted August 21, 2016 Share #328 Posted August 21, 2016 So why is the currently 4 cars? The does not have ridership that warrants full sized trains. 1 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
LegoBrickBreaker101 Posted August 21, 2016 Share #329 Posted August 21, 2016 The does not have ridership that warrants full sized trains. ^^^ THIS As well as the fact that using a shorter train allows for more cars to be used. If the G was a full length route and it used the same amount of cars it has today, there'd be half as many trains running on the route. 0 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Union Tpke Posted August 21, 2016 Share #330 Posted August 21, 2016 ^^^ THIS As well as the fact that using a shorter train allows for more cars to be used. If the G was a full length route and it used the same amount of cars it has today, there'd be half as many trains running on the route. OPTO 0 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
cl94 Posted August 21, 2016 Share #331 Posted August 21, 2016 Granted, 600 foot trains doesn't stop Washington from running OPTO at all times. It's horribly inefficient, as the doors don't open at an island platform until the T/O gets over to the other side of the car, but they still do it. In fact, the only systems I can think of other than New York that don't run OPTO for everything are Toronto and PATH, the former of which is almost identical to the IND in dimensions with a C/R doing the doors from the back. 0 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Around the Horn Posted August 21, 2016 Share #332 Posted August 21, 2016 Granted, 600 foot trains doesn't stop Washington from running OPTO at all times. It's horribly inefficient, as the doors don't open at an island platform until the T/O gets over to the other side of the car, but they still do it. In fact, the only systems I can think of other than New York that don't run OPTO for everything are Toronto and PATH, the former of which is almost identical to the IND in dimensions with a C/R doing the doors from the back. The length of the train doesn't prevent OPTO as you have pointed out. However, there is a union rule on the books, where a train longer than 300 feet requires a second crew member. Interestingly a 5 car train of R160s is technically 302 feet long (so it will be interesting to see , when the R68s get replaced if the unions are willing to fight over two inches.) Sent from my iPod touch using NYC Transit Forums mobile app 0 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Amtrak41 Posted August 21, 2016 Share #333 Posted August 21, 2016 PATH is actually most like IRT locals back when they had 7 and 8 car trains, also is FRA, who I do not think would ever allow OPTO. Why in the world did PATH go for full-width cabs is beyond me, other than to piss some of us off, especially with that solid steel door. The conductor positions are out in the open. 0 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
cl94 Posted August 21, 2016 Share #334 Posted August 21, 2016 PATH is actually most like IRT locals back when they had 7 and 8 car trains, also is FRA, who I do not think would ever allow OPTO. FRA regulations severely limit OPTO, but there is not an outright ban. A second crew member is required for any reverse moves, for example. Most US railroads (especially the Class Is and virtually all Class IIs) operate with 2 crew members on board. In Europe, OPTO is common at all levels of freight and passenger rail. 0 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Far Rock Depot Posted August 22, 2016 Share #335 Posted August 22, 2016 OPTOOPTO is only on the weekends. Sent from my SM-N920P using Tapatalk 1 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
East New York Posted September 14, 2016 Author Share #336 Posted September 14, 2016 (edited) R211 program update coming tomorrow. I just need a bit more time to confirm some things. Edited September 14, 2016 by East New York 7 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Around the Horn Posted September 14, 2016 Share #337 Posted September 14, 2016 R211 program update coming tomorrow. I just need a bit more time to confirm some things. No problem. Looking forward to it! 0 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
rbrome Posted September 14, 2016 Share #338 Posted September 14, 2016 Granted, 600 foot trains doesn't stop Washington from running OPTO at all times. It's horribly inefficient, as the doors don't open at an island platform until the T/O gets over to the other side of the car, but they still do it. In fact, the only systems I can think of other than New York that don't run OPTO for everything are Toronto and PATH, the former of which is almost identical to the IND in dimensions with a C/R doing the doors from the back. Philly is all OPTO, I believe. It certainly is on the MFL (blue line). Philly uses video for OPTO on the MFL. Every platform has at least three cameras, which transmit to an in-cab screen via a short-range radio system. The cabs aren't even full-width. The single operator in a small right-side cab never even has to stand up nor open a window. On a separate note -- and this might be a silly question -- but why does any train operator have to see the platform to open the doors? I get someone needing to supervise door closing, obviously. But opening? The operator can see quite clearly that they're lined up with the platform. In fact they can see that better from the cab than by looking out the window. So what are they checking for before opening the door? Spontaneous platform collapse (because they happens so often)? Vampires? What? Even if there's a fight or other situation on the platform, but wouldn't that be visible to the operator as the train pulls in? 0 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
jon2305 Posted September 14, 2016 Share #339 Posted September 14, 2016 R211 program update coming tomorrow. I just need a bit more time to confirm some things. I'll tone into it. Thanks for the updates. 0 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
bobtehpanda Posted September 14, 2016 Share #340 Posted September 14, 2016 Philly is all OPTO, I believe. It certainly is on the MFL (blue line). Philly uses video for OPTO on the MFL. Every platform has at least three cameras, which transmit to an in-cab screen via a short-range radio system. The cabs aren't even full-width. The single operator in a small right-side cab never even has to stand up nor open a window. On a separate note -- and this might be a silly question -- but why does any train operator have to see the platform to open the doors? I get someone needing to supervise door closing, obviously. But opening? The operator can see quite clearly that they're lined up with the platform. In fact they can see that better from the cab than by looking out the window. So what are they checking for before opening the door? Spontaneous platform collapse (because they happens so often)? Vampires? What? Even if there's a fight or other situation on the platform, but wouldn't that be visible to the operator as the train pulls in? This is less of an issue here, but there have been issues in DC where operators have opened the doors without all cars platforming. 0 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
jon2305 Posted September 15, 2016 Share #341 Posted September 15, 2016 Any updates regarding the R211 program? 0 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Metro CSW Posted September 16, 2016 Share #342 Posted September 16, 2016 I think ENY needs time to sort things out. We can wait. Sent from my SM-G920P using Tapatalk 0 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Union Tpke Posted September 16, 2016 Share #343 Posted September 16, 2016 Maybe this was already posted, but I found this amusing. https://www.change.org/p/metropolitan-transportation-authority-do-not-give-the-r211-contract-to-bombardierThis is a petition to not give the R211 contract to Bombardier. 0 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
jon2305 Posted September 17, 2016 Share #344 Posted September 17, 2016 Maybe this was already posted, but I found this amusing. https://www.change.org/p/metropolitan-transportation-authority-do-not-give-the-r211-contract-to-bombardierThis is a petition to not give the R211 contract to Bombardier. Besides, isn't Bombardier in enough hot water with the MTA for further disqualification anyways, regardless of the R179s arrival. 0 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
beelinefan Posted September 17, 2016 Share #345 Posted September 17, 2016 Maybe this was already posted, but I found this amusing. https://www.change.org/p/metropolitan-transportation-authority-do-not-give-the-r211-contract-to-bombardierThis is a petition to not give the R211 contract to Bombardier. I thought that bombaradier was already disqualified from the R211 order. 0 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Metro CSW Posted September 17, 2016 Share #346 Posted September 17, 2016 I thought that bombaradier was already disqualified from the R211 order.It's still true. That petition is two months old. But I have a feeling that it might change soon, but highly doubt it at the same time. Sent from my SM-G920P using Tapatalk 0 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
East New York Posted September 22, 2016 Author Share #347 Posted September 22, 2016 Sorry for the delay. I was trying to get a bit more information, so we will continue this discussion Friday afternoon. There should be an update on the expected timeline for the trains, so it makes more sense for me to just post when the new information is available. 4 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Union Tpke Posted September 22, 2016 Share #348 Posted September 22, 2016 Sorry for the delay. I was trying to get a bit more information, so we will continue this discussion Friday afternoon. There should be an update on the expected timeline for the trains, so it makes more sense for me to just post when the new information is available. In my dream last night, you posted some sort of update on the R211s. 1 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
jon2305 Posted September 22, 2016 Share #349 Posted September 22, 2016 MTA board meetings are coming up next week. Will there be a piece on the R211 program? 0 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
rbrome Posted September 29, 2016 Share #350 Posted September 29, 2016 So... nothing on this yet? 0 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
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