limitednyc Posted December 16, 2015 Share #1 Posted December 16, 2015 according to the mtabus/nyct 2016-19 budget both the q25 and Q70 will become sbs in 2016. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
BlazingCyndaquil155 Posted December 16, 2015 Share #2 Posted December 16, 2015 Got proof bruh? Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
limitednyc Posted December 16, 2015 Author Share #3 Posted December 16, 2015 this months mta agenda {i don't know how to post link) Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Q113 LTD Posted December 17, 2015 Share #4 Posted December 17, 2015 this months mta agenda {i don't know how to post link) Here you go: http://web.mta.info/mta/budget/pdf/MTA_2016_Budget_and_2016-2019_Financial_Plan_Adoption_Materials.pdf#page=99 SBS Routes: Two Select Bus Service (SBS) routes starting in 2016, the Q25 and Q70 will have start-up costs including: Fare machine purchase, fare maching installation, fare machine decals, bus wraps and eagle team ramp-up costs (MOU with NYCT); Annual cost: fare machine maintenance and Eagle team (MOU with NYCT) . Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
BM5 via Woodhaven Posted December 17, 2015 Share #5 Posted December 17, 2015 Would the Q70 SBS have any bus lanes in the first place? At least the cost won't be so much, since there are machines within LGA. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
TransitJusticeForAll Posted December 17, 2015 Share #6 Posted December 17, 2015 Would the Q70 SBS have any bus lanes in the first place? At least the cost won't be so much, since there are machines within LGA. I doubt it would have any bus lanes since it's LTD and runs via the BQE. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
B22viaAtlanticAv Posted December 17, 2015 Share #7 Posted December 17, 2015 Honestly this sounds like they are using the budget that was meant for the Woodhaven SBS on these easier to convert routes. Besides the Q70 already functions as a SBS just another title change similar to the S79. And as far as the Q25 goes I would compare its turns to that of the B6(there was a study on it for SBS too.) Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
QM1to6Ave Posted December 17, 2015 Share #8 Posted December 17, 2015 I don't remember seeing these on the list of upcoming SBS routes. The MTA board is getting more and more secretive in their decisions Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
JerBear Posted December 17, 2015 Share #9 Posted December 17, 2015 The Q25 was talked about alongside the Q44 at public meetings for Jamaica-to-Flushing SBS, and in the North East Queens Comprehensive Bus Study it said that the Q25 would become SBS "soon after the Q44" or something like that. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Cait Sith Posted December 17, 2015 Share #10 Posted December 17, 2015 Would the Q70 SBS have any bus lanes in the first place? At least the cost won't be so much, since there are machines within LGA. They'd still have to make separate machines. What's stupid is that those machines can't have more than 1 variant of a route for some dumb reason, hence why the M16 was changed to the M34A. They need to get a better system for those machines. As for bus lanes, I doubt it. I can see it getting signal priority, but not bus lanes. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Via Garibaldi 8 Posted December 17, 2015 Share #11 Posted December 17, 2015 They'd still have to make separate machines. What's stupid is that those machines can't have more than 1 variant of a route for some dumb reason, hence why the M16 was changed to the M34A. They need to get a better system for those machines. As for bus lanes, I doubt it. I can see it getting signal priority, but not bus lanes. Very interesting... For all of the hype about the 34th street getting SBS service, I find the frequencies to be horrible. Even with the M34 and M34A combined, the wait times are pathetic. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
JerBear Posted December 18, 2015 Share #12 Posted December 18, 2015 They'd still have to make separate machines. What's stupid is that those machines can't have more than 1 variant of a route for some dumb reason, hence why the M16 was changed to the M34A. There's no way they could do separate machines, as it would add extra confusion to the already not-great information delivery at the airport. Since the staff teaching the public about Q44 SBS now tell us that we can freely get a paper receipt but then just hop on a 20 if it comes first, they're going to let people get a ticket from the M60 machine and get on the Q70. Yeah, I know they're different agencies, but they'll create some account for both together and divy up the money based on ridership counts or something. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Cait Sith Posted December 18, 2015 Share #13 Posted December 18, 2015 There's no way they could do separate machines, as it would add extra confusion to the already not-great information delivery at the airport. Since the staff teaching the public about Q44 SBS now tell us that we can freely get a paper receipt but then just hop on a 20 if it comes first, they're going to let people get a ticket from the M60 machine and get on the Q70. Yeah, I know they're different agencies, but they'll create some account for both together and divy up the money based on ridership counts or something. If we were to use that logic that you said, the M34A would still be the M16, which it's not because of the fault in the system with the SBS machines. Until they get a better system for these SBS tickets, they'll have to make some more machines and separate them from the M60. If they were to check fare revenue between the M60 and the Q70 if folks managed to get tickets for one or the other and hop on one or the other, they would be inaccurate. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
JerBear Posted December 18, 2015 Share #14 Posted December 18, 2015 If we were to use that logic that you said, the M34A would still be the M16, which it's not because of the fault in the system with the SBS machines. Until they get a better system for these SBS tickets, they'll have to make some more machines and separate them from the M60. If they were to check fare revenue between the M60 and the Q70 if folks managed to get tickets for one or the other and hop on one or the other, they would be inaccurate. And I am saying that I think in the intervening 4 years since the 34 launched, they have realized that they just have to let it go and let people do whatever is easiest. Just a couple of years ago when I first saw the staff at the launch of an SBS (can't remember which one), they were adamant about not getting the receipt and then instead getting on the local and handing the receipt to the driver. "You are not allowed to do that!" - - Fast forward to the launch of the Q44 and now the staff that were there for the launch are telling us "Sure, get the receipt when you first arrive at the bus stop, and then if one of the 20's comes first, you can just hop on that one with your receipt." - - They changed their policy. Maybe they didn't broadcast it, but it is definitely not the same strict fare policy they used to spout. They must have gotten over this issue by now, given up, and decided that it's not worth it and it'll just be part of reality for them. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
CPBO Posted December 19, 2015 Share #15 Posted December 19, 2015 The other day somebody got on my q65 bus and showed me a paper.....I was like what is that? The fare is $2.75 was the next thing out of my mouth....so she swiped a metro card that had a transfer, and went and sat down....so if you have a transfer why show me the receipt?... Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
IAlam Posted December 19, 2015 Share #16 Posted December 19, 2015 The other day somebody got on my q65 bus and showed me a paper.....I was like what is that? The fare is $2.75 was the next thing out of my mouth....so she swiped a metro card that had a transfer, and went and sat down....so if you have a transfer why show me the receipt?... trying to see if you'd accept it There's no way they could do separate machines, as it would add extra confusion to the already not-great information delivery at the airport. Since the staff teaching the public about Q44 SBS now tell us that we can freely get a paper receipt but then just hop on a 20 if it comes first, they're going to let people get a ticket from the M60 machine and get on the Q70. Yeah, I know they're different agencies, but they'll create some account for both together and divy up the money based on ridership counts or something. Hey remember they are planing the merger Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
bobtehpanda Posted December 19, 2015 Share #17 Posted December 19, 2015 They'd still have to make separate machines. What's stupid is that those machines can't have more than 1 variant of a route for some dumb reason, hence why the M16 was changed to the M34A. They need to get a better system for those machines. As for bus lanes, I doubt it. I can see it getting signal priority, but not bus lanes. Couldn't a machine technically just print out something like M60/Q70 at only the LaGuardia stop? As for bus lanes on a highway, nope. Shoulder-running? Maybe. With all the express buses we have, I'm surprised New York doesn't have shoulder-running buses. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
NewFlyer 230 Posted December 19, 2015 Share #18 Posted December 19, 2015 Out of all the routes did they really need to waste their time with the Q70. There are plenty of routes that suffer from being slow and all that. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Fresh Pond Posted December 19, 2015 Share #19 Posted December 19, 2015 Couldn't a machine technically just print out something like M60/Q70 at only the LaGuardia stop? As for bus lanes on a highway, nope. Shoulder-running? Maybe. With all the express buses we have, I'm surprised New York doesn't have shoulder-running buses. There's HOV lanes instead Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
JerBear Posted December 21, 2015 Share #20 Posted December 21, 2015 Hey remember they are planing the merger Sorry, I don't know enough about how the agencies and their finances work to know what the merger would do. So once they've merged then this wouldn't matter. Which will come first, the merger or the new fare payment system? I know they are moving forward on both, but they were both supposed to be done years ago, right? Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Cait Sith Posted December 21, 2015 Share #21 Posted December 21, 2015 Couldn't a machine technically just print out something like M60/Q70 at only the LaGuardia stop? As for bus lanes on a highway, nope. Shoulder-running? Maybe. With all the express buses we have, I'm surprised New York doesn't have shoulder-running buses. If it was programmed as one, it could, I think. But I would think that it would mix up fare revenue factors for both lines. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
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