danielhg121 Posted March 17, 2017 Share #5176 Posted March 17, 2017 (edited) This has been discussed before. It could definitely work but you could be holding trains up at Queensboro Plaza clearing ppl out. Also, the main problem might be those trains can't fit into the schedule at 60th street tube. Edited March 17, 2017 by danielhg121 0 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
CenSin Posted March 17, 2017 Share #5177 Posted March 17, 2017 This has been discussed before. It could definitely work but you could be holding trains up at Queensboro Plaza clearing ppl out. Also, the main problem might be those trains can't fit into the schedule at 60th street tube. Even if they could fit into the 60 Street Tunnel, the said holding of trains to clear them out would decrease capacity meaning you would be right back to where you started. 0 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
BreeddekalbL Posted March 18, 2017 Share #5178 Posted March 18, 2017 if this has been discussed ok but would there be any problems say switching the back to 53rd street and have the go to 63rd street and weekends have half of the trains go there cause i saw an article where when the was moved to 63rd street it was very controversial Last week, there were two express trains (the E and the F) running along Queens Boulevard to 53rd Street and Lexington Avenue, the station where many people catch the Lexington line. Now, there is only one express (the E) and a local (the V) going to that popular station. And the other express (the F) detours to a less popular station, 63rd and Lexington, where you cannot transfer to the Lexington Avenue Line without walking outside for a few blocks.So the questions being asked privately, and sometimes very publicly, in Queens stations yesterday were: Do I take a train not going where I'm going and — God forbid — transfer? Do I take a relatively uncrowded train that goes where I'm going but that gives me the scenic tour of subterranean Queens? http://www.nytimes.com/2001/12/18/nyregion/tunnel-vision-lonesome-newcomer-taking-it-slowly-seeks-riders.html 0 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
LongLiveRock Posted March 18, 2017 Share #5179 Posted March 18, 2017 if this has been discussed ok but would there be any problems say switching the back to 53rd street and have the go to 63rd street and weekends have half of the trains go there cause i saw an article where when the was moved to 63rd street it was very controversial http://www.nytimes.com/2001/12/18/nyregion/tunnel-vision-lonesome-newcomer-taking-it-slowly-seeks-riders.html Why bother? Nobody's complaining about it now Besides, with the SAS now stopping at Lex-63rd, it's now a more popular station, and certainly a valuable transfer to have. 0 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
danielhg121 Posted March 18, 2017 Share #5180 Posted March 18, 2017 That must've been a old article, it talks about the V. Considering the Q is now an option, this article is irrelevant. Sent from my iPhone using NYC Transit Forums mobile app 0 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
BreeddekalbL Posted March 18, 2017 Share #5181 Posted March 18, 2017 That must've been a old article, it talks about the V. Considering the Q is now an option, this article is irrelevant. Sent from my iPhone using NYC Transit Forums mobile app it is definitely old from when the Changes happened in 2001 0 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
R143 8277 Posted March 21, 2017 Share #5182 Posted March 21, 2017 I've got an idea: Why not extend the to South Ferry? Seeing as a connection already exists between Bowling Green and South Ferry I can't see why not. Maybe the could use the new station, and the could use the outer loop that the is currently using. 0 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Around the Horn Posted March 21, 2017 Share #5183 Posted March 21, 2017 I've got an idea: Why not extend the to South Ferry? Seeing as a connection already exists between Bowling Green and South Ferry I can't see why not. Maybe the could use the new station, and the could use the outer loop that the is currently using. The merge at Brooklyn Bridge is gonna be a mess... 3 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Wallyhorse Posted March 22, 2017 Share #5184 Posted March 22, 2017 (edited) I've got an idea: Why not extend the to South Ferry? Seeing as a connection already exists between Bowling Green and South Ferry I can't see why not. Maybe the could use the new station, and the could use the outer loop that the is currently using. The merge at Brooklyn Bridge is gonna be a mess... Which is exactly why I would ONLY do it at off hours (between 8:00 PM and 5:30 AM weekdays and 8:00 PM Friday to 5:30 AM Monday) and revive the BG-SF shuttle to cover the rest of the time (with actually the and both running to old SF when the isn't running to Brooklyn. Edited March 22, 2017 by Wallyhorse 0 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
RR503 Posted March 22, 2017 Share #5185 Posted March 22, 2017 Which is exactly why I would ONLY do it at off hours (between 8:00 PM and 5:30 AM weekdays and 8:00 PM Friday to 5:30 AM Monday) and revive the BG-SF shuttle to cover the rest of the time (with actually the and both running to old SF when the isn't running to Brooklyn. And, pray, what market does this serve? Is the 500 foot journey between stations that perilous? The delays on lex from the merge will be awful, rush hour or not, and if you're running a shuttle whose uselessness has been hashed and rehashed over and over again on here and elsewhere during rush hours, I don't see this being of any use. Give up. The MTA is never starting BG SF up again. 0 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Around the Horn Posted March 22, 2017 Share #5186 Posted March 22, 2017 Which is exactly why I would ONLY do it at off hours (between 8:00 PM and 5:30 AM weekdays and 8:00 PM Friday to 5:30 AM Monday) and revive the BG-SF shuttle to cover the rest of the time (with actually the and both running to old SF when the isn't running to Brooklyn God damn it man... We already told you why this bullshit fantasy of yours wont work... 0 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
bobtehpanda Posted March 22, 2017 Share #5187 Posted March 22, 2017 Thought exercise: what if we rerouted the via 63rd St? 0 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Fresh Pond Posted March 22, 2017 Share #5188 Posted March 22, 2017 Thought exercise: what if we rerouted the via 63rd St?This just opens up other questions... -Where would the go? Only thing this would do is cause merging problems at Lex-63. - What about the lost transfer connection at Lex-59? Now people are gonna half to walk 4 blocks for trains, or backtrack to 57 St. -What about Queens Plaza? No direct Broadway connection anymore, gonna have to go around the world now via Court Sq/Queensboro Plaza. Only gonna cause more problems than it would solve. 1 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
bobtehpanda Posted March 22, 2017 Share #5189 Posted March 22, 2017 (edited) This just opens up other questions... -Where would the go? Only thing this would do is cause merging problems at Lex-63. - What about the lost transfer connection at Lex-59? Now people are gonna half to walk 4 blocks for trains, or backtrack to 57 St. -What about Queens Plaza? No direct Broadway connection anymore, gonna have to go around the world now via Court Sq/Queensboro Plaza. Only gonna cause more problems than it would solve. Would it really cause merging problems? IIRC the and operate at similar frequencies, though I could be wrong in that regard. I'm wondering if they're ever going to have to do that to make some room in the 60th St tubes. Edited March 22, 2017 by bobtehpanda 0 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Wallyhorse Posted March 22, 2017 Share #5190 Posted March 22, 2017 God damn it man... We already told you why this bullshit fantasy of yours wont work... I was simply pointing out why we won't see the run to SF and why we won't see that again. This just opens up other questions... -Where would the go? Only thing this would do is cause merging problems at Lex-63. - What about the lost transfer connection at Lex-59? Now people are gonna half to walk 4 blocks for trains, or backtrack to 57 St. -What about Queens Plaza? No direct Broadway connection anymore, gonna have to go around the world now via Court Sq/Queensboro Plaza. Only gonna cause more problems than it would solve. Add to that the having to merge with the at 57th/7th and outside of emergencies it's not something that should be done. 0 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Lawrence St Posted March 22, 2017 Share #5191 Posted March 22, 2017 Here's the problem with your SF idea since you obviously can't understand what we're trying to tell you: First off, The platform is 5 CARS ONLY!! It is against regulations to allow trains other then the to stop there. Second, NO body is going to wait for a dam shuttle when they could just walk to South Ferry in a minute and a half. Third, Who in their righr mind would just run service over there during off hours WHEN RIDERSHIP ISN'T EVEN HIGH AT THAT POINT. Should I continue? 1 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Around the Horn Posted March 22, 2017 Share #5192 Posted March 22, 2017 I was simply pointing out why we won't see the run to SF and why we won't see that again. Bullshit... That was your standard spiel whenever you are proposing it for the hundred time again... 3 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
RR503 Posted March 22, 2017 Share #5193 Posted March 22, 2017 I was simply pointing out why we won't see the run to SF and why we won't see that again. Please point to where you say that. 1 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
P3F Posted March 22, 2017 Share #5194 Posted March 22, 2017 (edited) Here's the problem with your SF idea since you obviously can't understand what we're trying to tell you: First off, The platform is 5 CARS ONLY!! It is against regulations to allow trains other then the to stop there. Second, NO body is going to wait for a dam shuttle when they could just walk to South Ferry in a minute and a half. Third, Who in their righr mind would just run service over there during off hours WHEN RIDERSHIP ISN'T EVEN HIGH AT THAT POINT. Should I continue? The first and third points don't really matter. People do, in fact, take the ferry at night. If the shuttle was convenient, people would take it. It was not convenient in the 1970s, and if the 1970s operation were to be revived, it would remain inconvenient. For the shuttle to be viable, the shuttle platform at Bowling Green would need to be extended to 5 cars' length, so that the first half of southbound and trains would have a cross-platform transfer to the shuttle. If the shuttle used the outer loop, it would be quite convenient since the central exit from that platform used to lead directly into the ferry terminal (and currently leads to a space a few feet away from a door into the ferry terminal.) As has been mentioned, the exit from the new station is much less convenient. Extending the to South Ferry on late nights isn't a bad idea. It would provide more service to Fulton Street, Wall Street, Bowling Green, and South Ferry, and wouldn't really cause delays since the already runs local on the Lexington Line with the at that time. On weekends, it may be better to have a shuttle instead of extending the train, simply because the has to fumigate at Bowling Green, and the addition of the would almost certainly cause delays. Edited March 22, 2017 by P3F 0 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Lance Posted March 22, 2017 Share #5195 Posted March 22, 2017 Thought exercise: what if we rerouted the via 63rd St? This just opens up other questions... -Where would the go? Only thing this would do is cause merging problems at Lex-63. - What about the lost transfer connection at Lex-59? Now people are gonna half to walk 4 blocks for trains, or backtrack to 57 St. -What about Queens Plaza? No direct Broadway connection anymore, gonna have to go around the world now via Court Sq/Queensboro Plaza. Only gonna cause more problems than it would solve. Shifting the from 60th Street to 63rd Street would not only move the merge from west of Queens Plaza to east of 21 Street. It would also create new merge points at 57 Street where trains would merge with the to reach 63rd Street and just west of Lexington Av where it meets up with the in order to run to/from Queens Blvd. Those additional merges would undoubtedly slow down an already slow line. Then there are the customer impacts as Turtle mentioned. Lexington Av-59 St and 5 Avenue would only be served by the during off-hours whereas the 63rd Street corridor would be over-served with both the and running along the line during all periods except late nights. You're likely right when it comes to 60th Street being at or near capacity. However, removing a line from that section is definitely not the answer, not when the three stations affected by this are quite busy stations that cannot afford to lose any service. 1 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
R143 8277 Posted March 22, 2017 Share #5196 Posted March 22, 2017 Maybe we should extend the to 10th Av and extend the to 14th Street. Just a thought. 0 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
LongLiveRock Posted March 22, 2017 Share #5197 Posted March 22, 2017 I do wonder why there hasn't been much discussion about light rail for NYC... I understand this isn't the best city for it, but for areas in Queens, Bronx, Brooklyn currently underserved I could see its appeal... 0 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
pringle5095 Posted March 22, 2017 Share #5198 Posted March 22, 2017 I do wonder why there hasn't been much discussion about light rail for NYC... I understand this isn't the best city for it, but for areas in Queens, Bronx, Brooklyn currently underserved I could see its appeal... Especially considering BQX, that's supposed to connect LIC to the 4 Av Line, apparently quicker than the existing rail service Sent from my iPhone using Tapatalk 0 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
LongLiveRock Posted March 22, 2017 Share #5199 Posted March 22, 2017 Especially considering BQX, that's supposed to connect LIC to the 4 Av Line, apparently quicker than the existing rail service Sent from my iPhone using Tapatalk I have no idea if this is at all feasible, but the Bx12 route would be the most obvious proposition, seeing how well ridden the bus system is. However, I know nothing about the layout of Pelham Parkway (and the other roads it'd travel on), so perhaps this is a dumb idea. I'd also consider it on 3rd Avenue in the Bronx, in the former location of the el. 0 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Lawrence St Posted March 22, 2017 Share #5200 Posted March 22, 2017 They should have never torn down the EL's in the Bronx in the first place. 0 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
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