MysteriousBtrain Posted January 2, 2015 Share #2701 Posted January 2, 2015 Sigh....... if anyone (including Javier) asks a question, let's just answer it. It's getting too old for this bs... And if we can't really answer a question for specified reason, let's just tell the person we can't give the answer away for that reason..... 0 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Wallyhorse Posted January 2, 2015 Share #2702 Posted January 2, 2015 Wait so the tunnel was already prebuilt? I'm confused. How about extending the to Carnasie after Ecuild Ave to provide easy access to the ? Or via the after Broadway Junction. Since the line can not have express service due to its shortness of 2 tracks, why not build a tunnel under the existing tunnels with 2 tracks that provide express service and crossover into the upstairs tunnel about where it wants to stop? The only way I would consider ANYTHING considering a second line on the would be if there somehow could be a connection from the Broadway-Brooklyn line (that the Canarsie Line DOES have an existing connection to) to the SAS after Essex Street, most likely via Chyrstie (which was mentioned to me already as being difficult, just making that clear before I get into this). If that were to happen, what I would be doing is this: Rebuild Atlantic Avenue on the current to four tracks, using the as-present unused platform from the old Fulton El days next to the existing platform. This would allow for the to be truncated to between 8th Avenue and Atlantic Avenue so it can better service the much more heavily used part of the line west of Myrtle Avenue. There would be crossovers from the existing tracks north of Atlantic Avenue (between there and Broadway Junction) to allow for switchovers before splitting and allowing the to terminate at Atlantic Avenue on the outer "local" tracks without interfering with a new Canarsie/Broadway-Brooklyn line/SAS line (save for trains heading for/coming from the Canarsie Yard that would be extended to/from East 105th Street). Connect the inner "express" tracks in this setup to the flyover that would allow for a line via Canarsie, Broadway-Brooklyn and the SAS to start at Rockaway Parkway and after Atlantic Avenue join the Broadway-Brooklyn line at Broadway Junction using the flyover, which would be in regular active service for the first time since 1968. This could be a new train running potentially between the current Rockaway Parkway terminal and 125th Street-Lexington Avenue, providing an additional midtown option to Broadway-Brooklyn riders as well as a one-seat ride to midtown from Canarsie while at the same time taking some pressure off the since some riders would be likely to take the to Myrtle and switch to the new line there (as well as those from Canarsie who would be riding the new line). There would be additional switches after the tracks shrink to two south of Atlantic Avenue to allow for switching there as well where needed. Whether this can actually happen or not is probably not likely, however, this is how I'd be looking if it were possible. 0 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
T to Dyre Avenue Posted January 2, 2015 Share #2703 Posted January 2, 2015 You would need to build a connection from the SAS to the Williamsburg Bridge near Delancey St. Not sure if that would be feasible due to the web of subway tracks that already cross through that area. 0 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
bobtehpanda Posted January 2, 2015 Share #2704 Posted January 2, 2015 It's not. We're going with Deep Chrystie because all the other options either ignore the busiest station in the area (Grand St) or require demolishing a couple of blocks of Chinatown and the neighborhood's biggest park. 0 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Javier Posted January 2, 2015 Share #2705 Posted January 2, 2015 Bobtehpanada is right, it would require demishing several blocks of Chinatown and the park, so that's why going with Deep Chrystie is more convient. 0 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Wallyhorse Posted January 2, 2015 Share #2706 Posted January 2, 2015 Yes, but that hopefully is something people could be convinced over time would be in their best interests to allow to happen (demolishing the park, but with the MTA guaranteeing it would be rebuilt as soon as the work is done) and other cut-and-cover tactics to eliminate "Deep Chrystie" and in this case allow for both Grand Street to be four tracks and two island platforms and a connection to the SAS off the Willansburg Bridge or Chrystie. People may not like it, but sometimes people need to take a step back and look at things from a long-term perspective. Too much selfishness and not enough long-term planning is the problem here. 0 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
CenSin Posted January 2, 2015 Share #2707 Posted January 2, 2015 Due to gentrification, the buildings will eventually be demolished and replaced anyway. And the park could use a makeover. The only thing I like about the "deep Chrystie" option is that the lack of a cross-platform transfer basically means one less stop subjected to holding lights. 0 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Lance Posted January 2, 2015 Share #2708 Posted January 2, 2015 The only way I would consider ANYTHING considering a second line on the would be if there somehow could be a connection from the Broadway-Brooklyn line (that the Canarsie Line DOES have an existing connection to) to the SAS after Essex Street, most likely via Chyrstie (which was mentioned to me already as being difficult, just making that clear before I get into this). If that were to happen, what I would be doing is this: Rebuild Atlantic Avenue on the current to four tracks, using the as-present unused platform from the old Fulton El days next to the existing platform. This would allow for the to be truncated to between 8th Avenue and Atlantic Avenue so it can better service the much more heavily used part of the line west of Myrtle Avenue. There would be crossovers from the existing tracks north of Atlantic Avenue (between there and Broadway Junction) to allow for switchovers before splitting and allowing the to terminate at Atlantic Avenue on the outer "local" tracks without interfering with a new Canarsie/Broadway-Brooklyn line/SAS line (save for trains heading for/coming from the Canarsie Yard that would be extended to/from East 105th Street). Connect the inner "express" tracks in this setup to the flyover that would allow for a line via Canarsie, Broadway-Brooklyn and the SAS to start at Rockaway Parkway and after Atlantic Avenue join the Broadway-Brooklyn line at Broadway Junction using the flyover, which would be in regular active service for the first time since 1968. This could be a new train running potentially between the current Rockaway Parkway terminal and 125th Street-Lexington Avenue, providing an additional midtown option to Broadway-Brooklyn riders as well as a one-seat ride to midtown from Canarsie while at the same time taking some pressure off the since some riders would be likely to take the to Myrtle and switch to the new line there (as well as those from Canarsie who would be riding the new line). There would be additional switches after the tracks shrink to two south of Atlantic Avenue to allow for switching there as well where needed. Whether this can actually happen or not is probably not likely, however, this is how I'd be looking if it were possible. You can keep pitching this until you're blue in the face. It doesn't make it any better. As Fresh Pond said in another post, you're just removing direct Midtown-Canarsie service in favor of a meandering route through the Broadway elevated, across the Williamsburg Bridge to the Lower East Side before heading up into Midtown proper. You want to help Canarsie riders? Fix the terminal at 8 Av so the line can turn more trains. 2 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
bobtehpanda Posted January 2, 2015 Share #2709 Posted January 2, 2015 Yes, but that hopefully is something people could be convinced over time would be in their best interests to allow to happen (demolishing the park, but with the MTA guaranteeing it would be rebuilt as soon as the work is done) and other cut-and-cover tactics to eliminate "Deep Chrystie" and in this case allow for both Grand Street to be four tracks and two island platforms and a connection to the SAS off the Willansburg Bridge or Chrystie. People may not like it, but sometimes people need to take a step back and look at things from a long-term perspective. Too much selfishness and not enough long-term planning is the problem here. You cannot have both the SAS serving Grand St and have it serve Nassau/Williamsburg. You can only pick one or the other. Having it serve the Williamsburg Bridge would also gridlock all of Lower Manhattan, since to do that you'd need to dig up a good portion of Delancey St, which is already a traffic mess with all the vehicles from the Williamsburg Bridge, and in the process not somehow disturb the , to say nothing of the and . In what world is demolishing several blocks of the Lower East Side, Chinatown, and the area's biggest park somehow a net benefit for the people of the city, when it's going to serve the half of the Canarsie Line that isn't even crowded and replace their fast trip to 14th St with a slow, meandering trip on the speed-limited Jamaica Line and Williamsburg Bridge? Has Robert Moses crawled out of his grave and started pitching the LOMEX while we're talking about preposterous, counterproductive ideas? (There's also really no disadvantage to Deep Chrystie. In no way would the Manhattan Bridge ever take SAS trains anyways, and with a transfer that will literally be down a flight of stairs, we're likely to see it more heavily used than West 4 St.) 0 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Wallyhorse Posted January 3, 2015 Share #2710 Posted January 3, 2015 Like I said in the original post, it would be VERY difficult to do anyway and I did make that clear. 0 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Javier Posted January 3, 2015 Share #2711 Posted January 3, 2015 To make use of the unused bullets on the R62'...: (8) Woodlawn via Local in Bronx and Manhattan to Flatbush Ave Brooklyn via Express. Harlem 148 Street to South Ferry Manhattan or from Neird Ave to South Ferry. East 180 Street to Brooklyn Bridge via Local , no longer runs to Neird Ave as Replaced by . Peak Direction Limited Express from Bowling Green to East 177 Street - ParkChester. 0 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Union Tpke Posted January 4, 2015 Share #2712 Posted January 4, 2015 To make use of the unused bullets on the R62'...: (8) Woodlawn via Local in Bronx and Manhattan to Flatbush Ave Brooklyn via Express. Harlem 148 Street to South Ferry Manhattan or from Neird Ave to South Ferry. East 180 Street to Brooklyn Bridge via Local , no longer runs to Neird Ave as Replaced by . Peak Direction Limited Express from Bowling Green to East 177 Street - ParkChester. You don't learn. 2 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Javier Posted January 4, 2015 Share #2713 Posted January 4, 2015 You don't learn. I never do do I? 0 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
P3F Posted January 4, 2015 Share #2714 Posted January 4, 2015 To make use of the unused bullets on the R62'...: (8) Woodlawn via Local in Bronx and Manhattan to Flatbush Ave Brooklyn via Express. Harlem 148 Street to South Ferry Manhattan or from Neird Ave to South Ferry. East 180 Street to Brooklyn Bridge via Local , no longer runs to Neird Ave as Replaced by . Peak Direction Limited Express from Bowling Green to East 177 Street - ParkChester. It's Nereid Avenue, not Neird Avenue. 0 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Javier Posted January 4, 2015 Share #2715 Posted January 4, 2015 Autocorrect keeps taking off the E for some reason. I would propose to decrease the fare on the subway to $2.25 and make elderly MetroCard that can be purchased for $1.50 0 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
MysteriousBtrain Posted January 4, 2015 Share #2716 Posted January 4, 2015 Autocorrect keeps taking off the E for some reason. I would propose to decrease the fare on the subway to $2.25 and make elderly MetroCard that can be purchased for $1.50 Tell that to the . I'd bet they love your idea giving we are having another fare increase in March. 0 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
bobtehpanda Posted January 4, 2015 Share #2717 Posted January 4, 2015 senior citizen half-fare cards already exist... 0 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
MTA Dude Posted January 5, 2015 Share #2718 Posted January 5, 2015 To make use of the unused bullets on the R62'...: (8) Woodlawn via Local in Bronx and Manhattan to Flatbush Ave Brooklyn via Express. Harlem 148 Street to South Ferry Manhattan or from Neird Ave to South Ferry. East 180 Street to Brooklyn Bridge via Local , no longer runs to Neird Ave as Replaced by . Peak Direction Limited Express from Bowling Green to East 177 Street - ParkChester. It would be my honors to introduce you, to the new and worsened Wallyhorse! 1 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Javier Posted January 5, 2015 Share #2719 Posted January 5, 2015 Don't you dare compare me to Wallyhorse (who I thought was NYlover). It was a suggestion, and I don't need you bragging that I'm like Wallyhorse. Where do they exist? 0 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
MTA Dude Posted January 5, 2015 Share #2720 Posted January 5, 2015 Where do they exist? Where do what exist? 0 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Javier Posted January 5, 2015 Share #2721 Posted January 5, 2015 Half Fare MetroCards. 0 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
MTA Dude Posted January 5, 2015 Share #2722 Posted January 5, 2015 Half Fare MetroCards. They have been around for forever. Well, maybe I'm exaggerating, but, I swear they have been around even when my brain was barely developed. 0 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
CenSin Posted January 5, 2015 Share #2723 Posted January 5, 2015 I remember they were around even when I was a little kid. I don't know when, but I was old enough to have witnessed the transition from tokens to MetroCards. 0 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
bobtehpanda Posted January 5, 2015 Share #2724 Posted January 5, 2015 Half Fare MetroCards. For senior citizens and for students. They've existed since Metrocards have been a thing... 0 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
T to Dyre Avenue Posted January 5, 2015 Share #2725 Posted January 5, 2015 (edited) To make use of the unused bullets on the R62'...: (8) Woodlawn via Local in Bronx and Manhattan to Flatbush Ave Brooklyn via Express. Harlem 148 Street to South Ferry Manhattan or from Neird Ave to South Ferry. East 180 Street to Brooklyn Bridge via Local , no longer runs to Neird Ave as Replaced by . Peak Direction Limited Express from Bowling Green to East 177 Street - ParkChester. As a former White Plains Rd line rider whose work stop was Brooklyn Bridge, I'd give that proposal a resounding "oh, hell no!" You would be replacing a well-used rush hour service (the 5 Thru Express) with another service that basically duplicates the and ties up the , and trains in order to cross over to get to South Ferry. No thanks! You'd still have that tie-up if the ran from 148th. And do 148th and 145th/Lenox really need that extra service? Hell, they've never even lengthened 145th's platforms from their original 5-car length. Edited January 5, 2015 by T to Dyre Avenue 3 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
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