Wallyhorse Posted April 17, 2017 Share #101 Posted April 17, 2017 Not again.... Next thing you know you're going to say let's bring back the K..... ....wait a sec..... This post is familiar..... Sent from my LGLS755 using Tapatalk I know that was not going to happen, I was simply noting it's too bad there was not enough capacity to do that as doing so would in this case have more easily allowed for a Culver Express AND given Coney Island riders an 8th Avenue option. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Far Rock Depot Posted April 17, 2017 Share #102 Posted April 17, 2017 I know that was not going to happen, I was simply noting it's too bad there was not enough capacity to do that as doing so would in this case have more easily allowed for a Culver Express AND given Coney Island riders an 8th Avenue option.But as ive mentioned on FB, what does that leave Fulton St with no C?????? Sent from my LGLS755 using Tapatalk Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Around the Horn Posted April 17, 2017 Share #103 Posted April 17, 2017 But as ive mentioned on FB, what does that leave Fulton St with no C?????? Sent from my LGLS755 using Tapatalk He'll probably say the again... Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Lance Posted April 17, 2017 Share #104 Posted April 17, 2017 He'll probably say the again... Half of the trains, which will run express along 8th Avenue. Don't want to leave out the important details, now do we? Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Lawrence St Posted April 17, 2017 Share #105 Posted April 17, 2017 I'm pretty sure if Wally horse lead the department of routing options, half of NYC would go on a rampage. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
RailRunRob Posted April 17, 2017 Share #106 Posted April 17, 2017 The one thing I have to give the guy is he's hella consistent. He might have a chance It'd been funny if he one day is running operations haha. Sent from my iPhone using NYC Transit Forums mobile app Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Wallyhorse Posted April 17, 2017 Share #107 Posted April 17, 2017 The one thing I have to give the guy is he's hella consistent. He might have a chance It'd been funny if he one day is running operations haha. Sent from my iPhone using NYC Transit Forums mobile app Lets just say there's a better chance of the real Elvis showing up alive than my running transit operations. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
N6 Limited Posted April 17, 2017 Share #108 Posted April 17, 2017 Not again.... Next thing you know you're going to say let's bring back the K..... ....wait a sec..... This post is familiar..... Sent from my LGLS755 using Tapatalk Why not? to Lefferts, to JF /Far Roc away Easy for marketing. NO confusion because they have different southern terminals. No need to ask "Is this train going to Lefferts or Far Rockaway?" Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
LTA1992 Posted April 17, 2017 Share #109 Posted April 17, 2017 Why not? to Lefferts, to JF /Far Roc away Easy for marketing. NO confusion because they have different southern terminals. No need to ask "Is this train going to Lefferts or Far Rockaway?" Well, a few of us here for years have said that the Lefferts should be renamed . On that note, I propose the rush hour to Nereid should be renamed (8). Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
RR503 Posted April 17, 2017 Share #110 Posted April 17, 2017 Why not? to Lefferts, to JF /Far Roc away Easy for marketing. NO confusion because they have different southern terminals. No need to ask "Is this train going to Lefferts or Far Rockaway?" Actually, not a bad idea... Tourists suck at comprehension, so making it easy for them to get to the airport would be a plus. The number of times I've explained the many terminals of the to tourists defies imagination.... It's even worse when the side signs on the R46s or R32s are broken. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
N6 Limited Posted April 17, 2017 Share #111 Posted April 17, 2017 Well, a few of us here for years have said that the Lefferts should be renamed . On that note, I propose the rush hour to Nereid should be renamed (8). to JFK is much easier to relay to people. As for the (8). The should run express as it has more riders and stops north of E180th. And there should less crossover delays around E180th. Actually, not a bad idea... Tourists suck at comprehension, so making it easy for them to get to the airport would be a plus. The number of times I've explained the many terminals of the to tourists defies imagination.... It's even worse when the side signs on the R46s or R32s are broken. Right when the signs are broken you have no idea, the conductor is barely audible and they only mention it right when after the doors open. It'll also give the impression of more service: South of 59th: North of 59th: When the R179's come: "This is a Lefferts Blvd bound train" "This is a Far Rockaway bound train" And during rush hours the occasional: "This is a Rockaway Park bound train" (as for other arguments) The should stay at Euclid because when issues happen in Queens (Rockaway Blvd signal problems, etc) the is not affected and keeps service running, people wait for the because it's "faster" but when the countdown clocks start working it will more pronounced when the is in the station and the next is in 15 minutes. When I use the Fulton St line, If the comes first I jump on, because you don't know WHEN the will show up. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
LTA1992 Posted April 17, 2017 Share #112 Posted April 17, 2017 to JFK is much easier to relay to people. K for Kennedy? No. is the first letter of the alphabet we use. And thus THAT is easier to relay. Not to mention the is the longest subway route and world famous. I'm sure many repeat tourists use the when they get here. For that airport service to be renamed would cause quite the confusion. No one goes to Lefferts. Rename that. Off topic, so I'll stop and head to work. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
LongLiveRock Posted April 17, 2017 Share #113 Posted April 17, 2017 K for Kennedy? No. is the first letter of the alphabet we use. And thus THAT is easier to relay. Not to mention the is the longest subway route and world famous. I'm sure many repeat tourists use the when they get here. For that airport service to be renamed would cause quite the confusion. No one goes to Lefferts. Rename that. Off topic, so I'll stop and head to work. The Lefferts Boulevard station alone has more riders than most of the Rockaways combined, and most trains run to Lefferts, not Far Rockaway. The airport connection isn't *that* well used (I assume Sutphin is more commonly used, though could be wrong). Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Around the Horn Posted April 17, 2017 Share #114 Posted April 17, 2017 The airport connection isn't *that* well used (I assume Sutphin is more commonly used, though could be wrong). That would be correct. IIRC more Airtrains run to Jamaica than Howard Beach anyway. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Deucey Posted April 17, 2017 Share #115 Posted April 17, 2017 K for Kennedy? No. is the first letter of the alphabet we use. And thus THAT is easier to relay. Not to mention the is the longest subway route and world famous. I'm sure many repeat tourists use the when they get here. For that airport service to be renamed would cause quite the confusion. No one goes to Lefferts. Rename that. Off topic, so I'll stop and head to work. The problem I see is phonetics. and can be misheard, just like . Not much of a problem for CPW trains since and stop at the same stations in the tourist zones, and go to the same place in the Bx. Same with and . Plus, those trains are familiar since they've been around since forever and now have different rolling stock. Ay and Kay? Problem there. But that's where could use NATO phonetics - = Alfa, = Kilo - to identify, call them Blue Line Express to Lefferts or JFK/Rockaways, or redesignate all trains so daytime expresses are numbered and locals are lettered. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
LTA1992 Posted April 18, 2017 Share #116 Posted April 18, 2017 The Lefferts Boulevard station alone has more riders than most of the Rockaways combined, and most trains run to Lefferts, not Far Rockaway. The airport connection isn't *that* well used (I assume Sutphin is more commonly used, though could be wrong). Wrong phrasing. I meant from a destination point of view. The Rockaway Branch has the Airport(Not a destination, but a major location none the less), Casino, and Beaches. People all over the city go to those destinations and it would be easier to keep that the so no one has to deal with anymore confusion than there already is. The problem I see is phonetics. and can be misheard, just like . Not much of a problem for CPW trains since and stop at the same stations in the tourist zones, and go to the same place in the Bx. Same with and . Plus, those trains are familiar since they've been around since forever and now have different rolling stock. Ay and Kay? Problem there. But that's where could use NATO phonetics - = Alfa, = Kilo - to identify, call them Blue Line Express to Lefferts or JFK/Rockaways, or redesignate all trains so daytime expresses are numbered and locals are lettered. Except that wasn't much of a problem when the existed back in the day so why should it now? Or back when the K/KK and J ran together that short time after Chrystie came into existence? Similar routes for most of the way. This is similar to that time Bobthepanda tried to tell me that the signs on stations should not be modified to include trunk colors on the left side of station signs because certain colors cause issues for colorblind people. Like Red and Green don't already embrace for most of their existences on the subway map. Despite the rarity. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
BreeddekalbL Posted April 18, 2017 Share #117 Posted April 18, 2017 Since your meriting the basis of spliting the branches why not extend the to lefferts rather than create a new letter? Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Jemorie Posted April 18, 2017 Share #118 Posted April 18, 2017 The Lefferts Boulevard station alone has more riders than most of the Rockaways combined, and most trains run to Lefferts, not Far Rockaway. The airport connection isn't *that* well used (I assume Sutphin is more commonly used, though could be wrong). false, the alternates between Lefferts Blvd and Far Rockaway all day and evening long (example: off-peak service being 10 + 10 = 20 minute headways on both Lefferts Blvd and Far Rockaway branches). Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Lawrence St Posted April 18, 2017 Share #119 Posted April 18, 2017 How did this go from talking about the express to the and ...? Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
GojiMet86 Posted April 18, 2017 Share #120 Posted April 18, 2017 It always comes down to this. It is the single eventuality of all reality. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
N6 Limited Posted April 18, 2017 Share #121 Posted April 18, 2017 How did this go from talking about the express to the and ...? The IND is a team. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
T to Dyre Avenue Posted April 19, 2017 Share #122 Posted April 19, 2017 Eh. Too confusing -- like the train. suffices, IMHO I suppose if the express is limited to rush hours only, then it would probably be better to use an designation (which is not on the R46 cars, so the would have to run R160s only). I've always understood the diamond bullets to denote rush hours-only services. But if it runs all day and into the early evening hours, then I think it should get a different letter like , because it would be running for a substantially longer time each weekday. And if the is too confusing, then wouldn't the be just as confusing? Yet we still have a train. The functioned exactly the same way the does. K for Kennedy? No. is the first letter of the alphabet we use. And thus THAT is easier to relay. Not to mention the is the longest subway route and world famous. I'm sure many repeat tourists use the when they get here. For that airport service to be renamed would cause quite the confusion. No one goes to Lefferts. Rename that. Off topic, so I'll stop and head to work. But there's no in Kennedy! Yes, Airport starts with A, but " for Kennedy" is pretty easy to remember. Easier than " for Airport" because we have more than one. Besides, Kennedy Airport didn't even exist when Billy Strayhorn composed "Take the Train" back in 1939. And the was extended to Lefferts Blvd years before it was also extended to the Rockaways, so as the older service, Lefferts should get to keep the letter . Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
T to Dyre Avenue Posted April 19, 2017 Share #123 Posted April 19, 2017 Since your meriting the basis of spliting the branches why not extend the to lefferts rather than create a new letter?If the were to be extended to Lefferts, it would have to merge with the at Euclid, on top of the two existing merges at Canal and Hoyt-Schermerhorn. Renaming the Rockaways trains as trains doesn't necessarily change the number of express trains running and doesn't require local and express to merge a third time. Also makes it much simpler for airport-bound riders to remember which train serves (K)ennedy Airport. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
BreeddekalbL Posted April 19, 2017 Share #124 Posted April 19, 2017 If the were to be extended to Lefferts, it would have to merge with the at Euclid, on top of the two existing merges at Canal and Hoyt-Schermerhorn. Renaming the Rockaways trains as trains doesn't necessarily change the number of express trains running and doesn't require local and express to merge a third time. Also makes it much simpler for airport-bound riders to remember which train serves (K)ennedy Airport. why would you name the Rockaway service to a different letter they associated the train with the Rockaways since the beginning of time , say you are a noob to nyc and you wanted to go to the airport you would take the train not any other train, in that sense then you can rename the lefferts service to either an extended or your malarkey idea of Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Fresh Pond Posted April 19, 2017 Share #125 Posted April 19, 2017 How did this go from talking about the express to the and ...?Idk, but let's stick to the topic at hand here Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
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