M-9 Discussion

[St Louis Car 09 22]

Bombardier's Barre Vermont plant has long been closed

Really? Since when? I only heard of the Auburn N.Y plant closing a few years ago.I guess Plattsburgh is the Main U.S site.SMH.

[theaveragejoe 282]

Really? Since when? I only heard of the Auburn N.Y plant closing a few years ago.I guess Plattsburgh is the Main U.S site.SMH.

 

IIRC after the Acela order it closed down.

[manrush 0]

Those things sure are beautiful

But 3 doors means less seating and A LOT of people travel with LIRR daily and some lines already have a lof of standing people, so to have even less seating, seems a terrible idea to me.

 

I think the manufacturer will be Bombardier again. They built the current M7's for the LIRR and the MTA and most passengers are loving them (the M7's).

 

More doors equals better movement of people in and out of the train, thus leading to less idling at the station.

 

Additionally, less seating and more standing room would increase capacity on any given train and reduce overcrowding.

 

A good seating arrangement would be one similar to Australia's suburban EMUs.

 

Queensland Rail Citytrain Interurban Multiple Unit (for commuting between Brisbane and Gold Coast).

http://home.people.net.au/~jimmy88/Transport/IMU162/DSC00555%20with%20tag.JPG

 

http://ufies.org/~aleith/transit/brisbane/imu110_241004.jpg

Edited February 27, 2011 by manrush

[Vistausss 678]

Good seating arrangement is good there now. LIRR is the only commuter railroad I know (besides SEPTA) to have 3+2 arrangement, especially compared to Europe where nothing is 3+2 on commuter railroads.

 

"Additionally, less seating and more standing room would increase capacity on any given train and reduce overcrowding."

 

If you're travelling a short distance, alright. But let's say you get in in Ronkonkoma in rush hour and you need to go to Penn. Rnkkm is crowded in rush hour and with less seats, you may not find a seat. So that means you would be standing the whole time. I bet you can't barely walk when you exit at Penn.

And that is only 1 branch, but there are several other crowded ones where you would have the same problem.

[manrush 0]

Good seating arrangement is good there now. LIRR is the only commuter railroad I know (besides SEPTA) to have 3+2 arrangement, especially compared to Europe where nothing is 3+2 on commuter railroads.

 

"Additionally, less seating and more standing room would increase capacity on any given train and reduce overcrowding."

 

If you're travelling a short distance, alright. But let's say you get in in Ronkonkoma in rush hour and you need to go to Penn. Rnkkm is crowded in rush hour and with less seats, you may not find a seat. So that means you would be standing the whole time. I bet you can't barely walk when you exit at Penn.

And that is only 1 branch, but there are several other crowded ones where you would have the same problem.

 

Actually, MBCR also has a 3+2 seating arrangement.

 

Capacity is just as important for longer distances. Express lines could use the extra space so that more people would be able to board, thus reducing the need for extra-long trains and increasing overall headway.

[KNIGHTRIDER3:16 198]

Leave the Door Situation at 2 ,Since it takes seating away

[Dave160 26]

*double post* Disregard

[Dave160 26]

I was talking with a car designer for LIRR last night coming home on the M8's who's in the process of developing the M-9's (He also helped develop the M7's.) IIRC Correctly he said something about schematics have being sent to Kawasaki for the M9, so there you go. And as stated before, they will look like the M7/8

[lego606 0]

Why does the LIRR always get the castoffs...

[lilbluefoxie 820]

bring back the door closing bell from teh M1/3!

[Joel Up Front 793]

As long as they don't ride like the M7, I'm good.

 

That annoying noisy propulsion could be done away with, too. At least something from Siemens or even better, a quiet propulsion like they have on the M3s.

[Joe 781]

M3 has "quiet" propulsion system because it's DC (GE SCM). AC traction involves a frequency change that will resonate.

[Amtrak7 427]

As long as they don't ride like the M7, I'm good.

 

That annoying noisy propulsion could be done away with, too. At least something from Siemens or even better, a quiet propulsion like they have on the M3s.

 

The M7 does ride horribly, never been on the M8 so I can't compare.

 

The propulsion is OK.

[East New York 4,103]

I'm now being told that the M9 award will be going to Bombardier as I originally expected!:cool:

 

Award expected August 2012.

[VWM 404]

I think instead of the boring Red LEDs they have on M7s, they shoul have it so it can change colors depending on the rout it takes!

Ex. instead of reading Babylon, it could read Babylon!

...

They should also have comfy M3 seats instead of horrible rock M7 seats.

[T to Dyre Avenue 1,446]

I hope they don't have those wide single side doors that the M7s and M8s have. Those damn things take forever to open, close and secure. What idiot at the MTA thought that was a good idea? I hope the M9s have double doors that meet in the middle of the doorway, like the M1/2/3/4/6 series had.

[N4 Via Merrick Rd 234]

I think instead of the boring Red LEDs they have on M7s, they shoul have it so it can change colors depending on the rout it takes!

Ex. instead of reading Babylon, it could read Babylon!

...

They should also have comfy M3 seats instead of horrible rock M7 seats.

 

but it should also have head rests;)

[East New York 4,103]

Contract award delayed, and now expected for March 2013.

[BM5 via Woodhaven 5,465]

I guess why many people say the front of the M8 is ugly is because of the black and red, which IMO does not go together like that. Stripped maybe. If the whole thing was red then people wouldn't talk about it so much. Just my takes.

[VWM 404]

I just noticed there will also be an M9A order for the Metro-North.

[KeystoneRegional 246]

I just noticed there will also be an M9A order for the Metro-North.

 

 

It's going to be a small minor batch, it's not going to be as extensive as the M7A order, the LIRR order is smaller than the M7 order but larger than the M9A one. But both M9/9A orders will be noticeable in a larger scale if there is a design change.

[Fan Railer 1,578]

I'm surprised no one has posted this yet. I just found it and haven't gotten around to reading the documentation yet.

http://mta.info/lirr...rrentStatus.htm

http://mta.info/lirr...9/Documents.htm

 

It's going to be a small minor batch, it's not going to be as extensive as the M7A order, the LIRR order is smaller than the M7 order but larger than the M9A one. But both M9/9A orders will be noticeable in a larger scale if there is a design change.

 

According to the documentation from the MTA website, they are interested in procuring "676 M-9 and 160 M-9A" cars.

Edited June 29, 2012 by Fan Railer

[VWM 404]

Expected in 2016? Come on... I want to see LI's new trains!

Edited July 1, 2012 by VWM

[KeystoneRegional 246]

I'm surprised no one has posted this yet. I just found it and haven't gotten around to reading the documentation yet.

http://mta.info/lirr...rrentStatus.htm

http://mta.info/lirr...9/Documents.htm

 

 

According to the documentation from the MTA website, they are interested in procuring "676 M-9 and 160 M-9A" cars.

 

 

Well, like I said, compared to the M-7/M-7A's... Standalone, it's pretty big!

[Fan Railer 1,578]

The M7 does ride horribly, never been on the M8 so I can't compare.

 

The propulsion is OK.

 

The M8s don't ride that much better, imo. And the truck design is similar, so there's that constant noise that leads to the belief that something's loose down there. Hope they fix that with the M9s.