cl94 Posted March 2, 2014 Share #5801 Posted March 2, 2014 The B needs weekend service again, and send it down its old route, the West End Line to Coney Island So where the hell is the gonna go? Exactly. Brighton Local, West End, and Concourse are full-time routes. There is not a single station on the not serviced by the , , or . The assigns routes in a pattern that limits the amount of late-night shuttles, such that almost every service cut can be replaced by another service running local. If the went back to West End, the West End Shuttle would have to come back. While the would theoretically work on Brighton now (with the part-time), it won't once SAS opens. Plus, the would have to run on Broadway alone (and we all know how that goes) and Brighton riders prefer Broadway service. In the future, it would be nice to see 19/7 service to Brooklyn via Brighton. The was only on West End because the (then ) only ran during rush hours and a full-time line needed to be on Brighton. 0 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Lance Posted March 2, 2014 Share #5802 Posted March 2, 2014 Forget about when Second Ave opens. It won't work now. Flipping the B and D lines in Brooklyn would result in a significant reduction in overall service. As you mentioned, it would bring back the West End shuttle and eliminate the one-seat ride along said line. Speaking of service reductions, either the D or Q would have to become at 19/5 or 19/7 line to run on the Brighton line and maintain current service levels on 6th Ave and Broadway respectively. Either that or Brighton would have to run both the D and Q at all times, but that's not going to happen. 2 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
MHV9218 Posted March 2, 2014 Share #5803 Posted March 2, 2014 2041 has got the ill Manhattan-bound RFW, very nice. 0 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
BxM4Woodlawn Posted March 2, 2014 Share #5804 Posted March 2, 2014 Exactly. Brighton Local, West End, and Concourse are full-time routes. There is not a single station on the not serviced by the , , or . The assigns routes in a pattern that limits the amount of late-night shuttles, such that almost every service cut can be replaced by another service running local. If the went back to West End, the West End Shuttle would have to come back. While the would theoretically work on Brighton now (with the part-time), it won't once SAS opens. Plus, the would have to run on Broadway alone (and we all know how that goes) and Brighton riders prefer Broadway service. In the future, it would be nice to see 19/7 service to Brooklyn via Brighton. The was only on West End because the (then ) only ran during rush hours and a full-time line needed to be on Brighton. Run the D down the Brighton Line Local, and the Q down the Brighton Line Express during Weekdays only. Thats all the Q needs. 0 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
RollOver Posted March 2, 2014 Share #5805 Posted March 2, 2014 No. 0 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Lance Posted March 2, 2014 Share #5806 Posted March 2, 2014 Run the D down the Brighton Line Local, and the Q down the Brighton Line Express during Weekdays only. Thats all the Q needs. I'm pretty sure there are many who'd say otherwise. You're over-serving 6th Avenue at the expense of Broadway. It's not just the loss of weekend and late-night Broadway express service. Those five stops the Q skips doesn't really save that much time. It's the loss of Q service period during those times that people would really take issue with. Weekend service along the Broadway line would be cut by one-third on weekends and halved during the overnight hours. I'm not sure you're aware of this, buy every Manhattan trunk line has at least two subway lines serving them late nights. You want the N to handle Broadway all by its lonesome in the middle of the night? That will fly over like a lead balloon. I've said it before, but it bears repeating. I don't understand this fixation with returning the B and D to its pre-2001 service patterns. It barely worked then and it only did because half of the Manhattan Bridge was closed and Broadway trains couldn't access the Bridge anyhow. Transit could get away with running the Q on weekdays only because both it and the D ran on Sixth Avenue. With the Bridge fully open now, running the Q along Brighton from Broadway as a weekday-only route is pretty much a non-starter. 6 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
S78 via Hylan Posted March 2, 2014 Share #5807 Posted March 2, 2014 ^^ Exactly. Just keep things the way they are now. 1 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
cl94 Posted March 2, 2014 Share #5808 Posted March 2, 2014 (edited) What people don't seem to get is that cutting the to part-time will mean a train every 20 minutes on Broadway instead of 2 in that time period. It's how it currently is for a reason. As stated earlier, before the bridge closures the ONLY ran during rush hours. Back then, Lex also only had 1 late night service. Every trunk line has 2 now. The / didn't run to Brooklyn on weekends. Overall, service has increased because ridership has increased. As such, Manhattan needs as many full-time lines as possible while avoiding duplications of other routes. Edited March 2, 2014 by cl94 0 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
BxM4Woodlawn Posted March 2, 2014 Share #5809 Posted March 2, 2014 Back when the Q was Orange, didnt it run Weekdays only but all day? Do you remember when they had a Yellow B and a Yellow D? 0 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
lupojohn Posted March 2, 2014 Share #5810 Posted March 2, 2014 Back when the Q was Orange, didnt it run Weekdays only but all day? Do you remember when they had a Yellow B and a Yellow D? The orange ran during daytime hours only during the week. During weekday evenings and late nights, it ran as a shuttle between 57th Street and 2nd Avenue. Yes, what about the yellow and ? 0 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
cl94 Posted March 2, 2014 Share #5811 Posted March 2, 2014 The orange ran during daytime hours only during the week. During weekday evenings and late nights, it ran as a shuttle between 57th Street and 2nd Avenue. Yes, what about the yellow and ? Yellow was full-time because the only ran during the week. It's worth noting that there was no Brighton express service at this time and the infamous Brighton skip-stop was in effect. As such, the was only a that short-turned at Brighton Beach. The yellow went to Astoria during the week (not unlike the current ) and 57th on weekends. At night it was the West End shuttle. During this time, orange only ran during rush hours. 0 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
BxM4Woodlawn Posted March 3, 2014 Share #5812 Posted March 3, 2014 Yellow was full-time because the only ran during the week. It's worth noting that there was no Brighton express service at this time and the infamous Brighton skip-stop was in effect. As such, the was only a that short-turned at Brighton Beach. The yellow went to Astoria during the week (not unlike the current ) and 57th on weekends. At night it was the West End shuttle. During this time, orange only ran during rush hours. Was there mass confusion between the yellow and orange B & D. And did they run R68's back then? 0 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Calvin Posted March 3, 2014 Share #5813 Posted March 3, 2014 How come I saw the to Coney Island with Broadway Local via Whitehall on the LED sign 0 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
BxM4Woodlawn Posted March 3, 2014 Share #5814 Posted March 3, 2014 How come I saw the to Coney Island with Broadway Local via Whitehall on the LED sign It probably was on a detour 0 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
lupojohn Posted March 3, 2014 Share #5815 Posted March 3, 2014 Why does the skip 49th Street on weekends? 0 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
RollOver Posted March 3, 2014 Share #5816 Posted March 3, 2014 Why does the skip 49th Street on weekends? Because it originates/terminates at 57th Street on the center express tracks. No trains get stored between 42nd and 57th during nights and weekends. Also, so it wouldn't get in the way of both the and . 0 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Lance Posted March 3, 2014 Share #5817 Posted March 3, 2014 Was there mass confusion between the yellow and orange B & D. And did they run R68's back then? Transit felt there was enough that when those two services came back in 2001 for the final phase of Manhattan Bridge construction, instead of using the yellow B and D again, they went with the W and Q-Diamond respectively. As for your second question, the 68s ran primarily on the Coney Island (yellow) D along with the rest of the lines originating from Coney Island Yard. The 68As were just starting to arrive in 1988 when the north tracks of the Bridge were closed. How come I saw the to Coney Island with Broadway Local via Whitehall on the LED sign Q trains were running local along Broadway due to underground train storage. Obviously the "via WHITEHALL" portion was a simple mistake by the train crew choosing the wrong route in the AAS. 0 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
NewFlyer 230 Posted March 3, 2014 Share #5818 Posted March 3, 2014 At E180st on the and trains I've always wonder why there was another El structure near the station. Its like another station but abandoned. Was that used for some type of special service and the MTA decided that they didn't need it anymore? 0 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Lance Posted March 3, 2014 Share #5819 Posted March 3, 2014 It's the old station platforms from when the Dyre Avenue was part of the New York, Westchester and Boston railroad. Those platforms were used in service until the Dyre Avenue flyover connection to the White Plains Road line was built. Afterwards, it's been used for various storage purposes for the E 180 St yard. 3 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Union Tpke Posted March 4, 2014 Share #5820 Posted March 4, 2014 Also between West Farms Square East Tremont Ave and 180 St on the IRT White Plains Road Line, you can see part of the remaining structure for the route to the former teminal of 180 St – Bronx Park, which was closed in 1952. The line was originally intended to extend farther north but was changed into a terminal during construction due to protests stating that the trains running over the park would be bad for animals in the Bronx Zoo. The line's extension is the reason for the S-curve north of the East Tremont Avestation. 1 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
BxM4Woodlawn Posted March 4, 2014 Share #5821 Posted March 4, 2014 There is one spot in the Times Square station that you can see all the trains at once. 1 2 3 7 N Q R S 0 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
NYSubwayBuff Posted March 4, 2014 Share #5822 Posted March 4, 2014 And what spot is that? Sent from my SPH-L710 using Tapatalk 0 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Q43LTD Posted March 4, 2014 Share #5823 Posted March 4, 2014 I still don't understand why the has to run in two sections during a fast track 0 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
peacemak3r Posted March 4, 2014 Share #5824 Posted March 4, 2014 To my experience, many of the Asian residents I know along the Brighton corridor preferred to get off at Grand St for Chinatown and not Canal Street. But I guess the residents west of Brighton out-weight the needs of the east, eh? I sure do miss the on Brighton. 0 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Abba Posted March 4, 2014 Share #5825 Posted March 4, 2014 I still don't understand why the has to run in two sections during a fast track How would it not? 0 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
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