SUBWAY - Random Thoughts Topic

[j express]

Running the  to Broadway Junction would delay the . (M)s are running every 20 minutes and have to relay at Marcy due to Queens bound  trains using the middle track. Plus the TA at Myrtle must make sure that there are no passsengers on the  before relaying. Flagging would cause more congestion.

[lupojohn]

Why is it that whenever the has problems, it terminates at Avenue X? I'm guessing because the yard is so close.

[NYSubwayBuff]

Yeah the trains could easily switch into the yard

 

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[lupojohn]

 

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This is the second time i've incurred this, but the last time, they used the CI-bound tracks for the Avenue X-Coney Island shuttle. This time, they used the Jamaica-bound tracks for the shuttle and the CI-bound tracks for trains turning back to Jamaica. 

[Priincenene]

off topic but scaped.net is down

[Wallyhorse]

Running the  to Broadway Junction would delay the . (M)s are running every 20 minutes and have to relay at Marcy due to Queens bound  trains using the middle track. Plus the TA at Myrtle must make sure that there are no passsengers on the  before relaying. Flagging would cause more congestion.

If it were up to me, I would insisted on those G.O.'s being moved up or pushed back one week so there were NO such G.O.'s this weekend with the same in June on Belmont Stakes Day (June 7), another day that brings a lot of out-of-towners into NYC.  The special between 168th and Broadway Junction platform would have in my view helped make it easier on people traveling to Aqueduct for the Wood Memorial if the work could not work, as Wood Memorial Day is the biggest day of the year for the Big A and should have been taken into account.

 

I remember in 1997 when a G.O. on the knocking out most service after Euclid caused major problems on Wood Memorial Day for Aqueduct and cost NYRA at least 5-10,000 as many people who planned to be at Aqueduct wound up not getting there because many turned back at Euclid and were disgusted.  If I were at NYRA at the time, I would have sued the for damages saying that G.O. could have been moved back to after the Aqueduct meet ended as it did cost NYRA a lot of people, especially on Wood Memorial Day.

[Fresh Pond]

If it were up to me, I would insisted on those G.O.'s being moved up or pushed back one week so there were NO such G.O.'s this weekend with the same in June on Belmont Stakes Day (June 7), another day that brings a lot of out-of-towners into NYC. The special between 168th and Broadway Junction platform would have in my view helped make it easier on people traveling to Aqueduct for the Wood Memorial if the work could not work, as Wood Memorial Day is the biggest day of the year for the Big A and should have been taken into account.

 

I remember in 1997 when a G.O. on the knocking out most service after Euclid caused major problems on Wood Memorial Day for Aqueduct and cost NYRA at least 5-10,000 as many people who planned to be at Aqueduct wound up not getting there because many turned back at Euclid and were disgusted. If I were at NYRA at the time, I would have sued the for damages saying that G.O. could have been moved back to after the Aqueduct meet ended as it did cost NYRA a lot of people, especially on Wood Memorial Day.

Aqueduct Racetrack is ranked 413 out of 421 in terms of ridership...there's more than one way to get to the racetrack/casino which are...

 

-car

-the Q37

-free shuttle buses

 

You wanna delay G.Os for a station that gets higher ridership than only 8 measly stations (and one of them is closed at that) plus reroute trains that would confuse the living hell out of people for what?

 

I'm definitely glad you're not in charge...

[Wallyhorse]

On normal days, this is not an issue, but the Wood Memorial is the biggest day of the entire year at Aqueduct.  My point was, that should have been taken into account when planning such service disruptions.

Quite a number of people I know in Horse Racing groups are not thrilled with what is going on even if the work is necessary.  This is a G.O. that could have been done two weeks ago or last weekend (or work done on Sunday only this week) to accommodate people going to Aqueduct for the Wood. 

[CenSin]

On normal days, this is not an issue, but the Wood Memorial is the biggest day of the entire year at Aqueduct.  My point was, that should have been taken into account when planning such service disruptions.

Quite a number of people I know in Horse Racing groups are not thrilled with what is going on even if the work is necessary.  This is a G.O. that could have been done two weeks ago or last weekend (or work done on Sunday only this week) to accommodate people going to Aqueduct for the Wood.

 

News flash: very few people give a crap about Aqueduct. Even on Aqueducts busiest day, I would beet a horse that "nobody" cares. Measure the public outrage response.

[CenSin]

If it were up to me, I would insisted on those G.O.'s being moved up or pushed back one week so there were NO such G.O.'s this weekend with the same in June on Belmont Stakes Day (June 7), another day that brings a lot of out-of-towners into NYC. The special between 168th and Broadway Junction platform would have in my view helped make it easier on people traveling to Aqueduct for the Wood Memorial if the work could not work, as Wood Memorial Day is the biggest day of the year for the Big A and should have been taken into account.

If Aqueduct needs such special treatment for a tiny minority of people, I argue that Astoria needs free livery cabs this weekend.

[Lance]

The work has to get done Wallyhorse. Preferably before the summer beach season. They lost several weekends to inclement weather, so they don't really have a choice as to which weekend to suspend unfavorable GOs. Riders will have to deal with it.

[Snowblock]

If it were up to me, I would insisted on those G.O.'s being moved up or pushed back one week so there were NO such G.O.'s this weekend with the same in June on Belmont Stakes Day (June 7), another day that brings a lot of out-of-towners into NYC.  The special between 168th and Broadway Junction platform would have in my view helped make it easier on people traveling to Aqueduct for the Wood Memorial if the work could not work, as Wood Memorial Day is the biggest day of the year for the Big A and should have been taken into account.

 

You know what the BIGGEST problem with your crackpot proposals is? Customers, PARTICULARLY out of towners, do not pay attention to service changes. The C/R and D/A can make all the announcements they want and nobody is going to pay any attention to them up until the moment that their usual train isn't stopping at their usual stop. Running a to Broadway Junction is going to run completely empty - the ONLY people who will ride that train over the bridge are foamers and customers who thought it was a . Meanwhile all customers trying to get to the racetrack are going to be taking their usual train, not suspecting a thing is wrong until they're well past W4.

[Snowblock]

I remember in 1997 when a G.O. on the knocking out most service after Euclid caused major problems on Wood Memorial Day for Aqueduct and cost NYRA at least 5-10,000 as many people who planned to be at Aqueduct wound up not getting there because many turned back at Euclid and were disgusted.  If I were at NYRA at the time, I would have sued the for damages saying that G.O. could have been moved back to after the Aqueduct meet ended as it did cost NYRA a lot of people, especially on Wood Memorial Day.

Was this GO announced in advance? You can't possibly think that the racetrack had NO IDEA that this GO was going to happen before the day of the event. What justification would they have for suing the MTA? The NYCTA is not a personal shuttle for racetrack customers, nor do they have a special contract with them guaranteeing normal service at all times.

[Wallyhorse]

Was this GO announced in advance? You can't possibly think that the racetrack had NO IDEA that this GO was going to happen before the day of the event. What justification would they have for suing the MTA? The NYCTA is not a personal shuttle for racetrack customers, nor do they have a special contract with them guaranteeing normal service at all times.

The problem with that G.O. in 1997 was the fact the bus drivers on the shuttle buses ROYALLY messed up the route they were going.  I remember that day vividly, I wound up having to ride TWICE from Euclid to get there and others I know simply went back to Manhattan after the first attempt after experiencing similar problems.  NYRA likely knew, but probably could not have done anything about it. 

 

The attendance that day was the lowest ever for the Wood Memorial and some in the media reporting from outside New York were completely unaware of the doing that G.O., with many knocking NYRA for low attendance for the Wood when in reality that was NOT NYRA's fault.  Those of us who tried to get to Aqueduct knew the real problems, and that was something others could not understand, with people knocking New York horseplayers for not being at Aqueduct for that Wood Memorial when many wanted to be there, but had problems bad enough with getting there because of major snafus on the 's end with shuttle bus service that they didn't.  I did manage to get there that day, but others I know didn't specifically because of that. 

 

That's why I said what I did before.  The Wood is considered to be the first major race of the year in New York, and that's why the should have moved this set of G.O.'s up or pushed them back one week (or only did them on Sunday) to accommodate those going to Aqueduct for the Wood.

Edited April 3, 2014 by Wallyhorse

[Lance]

You're comparing events between almost 20 years. Technology has changed drastically in the intervening years and communicating GOs has become much better than it was in the '90s. Also, you said that the event in '97 occurred concurrently with a Rockaways shutdown. This year's race will still have subway access, just not direct from Manhattan. It's not the end of the world.

[Trainmaster5]

Let's be totally honest here Wallyhorse. You don't want to be inconvenienced by any G.O. that concerns Aqueduct racetrack or the casino. Newsflash....... the State of New York, the , NYCT, and the LIRR don't give a rat's behind about the dump known as Aqueduct. The state has even proposed closing the track and moving the racing calendar to Belmont Park which is 100x better than the pit on Conduit. I'm wondering if you have some sort of financial attachment to the Big A or Genting. No one else defends Aqueduct like you do. Carry on.

[lupojohn]

Although I will not be attending the Wood, i'll just say this as someone who follows horse racing: you can't comment on the impact the Wood has on the state unless you're a horse racing expert. You really have no idea what it means unless you're a diehard and I suggest not commenting unless you're as such and merely ignore Wally.

[Trainmaster5]

Although I will not be attending the Wood, i'll just say this as someone who follows horse racing: you can't comment on the impact the Wood has on the state unless you're a horse racing expert. You really have no idea what it means unless you're a diehard and I suggest not commenting unless you're as such and merely ignore Wally.

I certainly don't consider myself among the "improvers of the breed" but I'm well aware of the Wood Memorial and it's history. I've followed racing, including harness, on and off, for over 40 years. I've also been a New York taxpayer for over 50 years so I think my personal opinion should count for something. My comment was concerning the dump in South Ozone Park and transit. I have visited Aqueduct, Belmont Park, and Jamaica racetrack since the '50s but I don't consider myself a diehard or a historian. I do know when I see waste, however, and Aqueduct (not the Wood Memorial) is a waste, IMO, That's why there has been talk about making Belmont Park the sole downstate racecourse. BTW my visits to Jamaica were as a lucky charm for my uncles and not as a bettor. I may have a Medicare card but I'm not that old.  Carry on.

Edited April 3, 2014 by Trainmaster5

[Fresh Pond]

Although I will not be attending the Wood, i'll just say this as someone who follows horse racing: you can't comment on the impact the Wood has on the state unless you're a horse racing expert. You really have no idea what it means unless you're a diehard and I suggest not commenting unless you're as such and merely ignore Wally.

The way he is making it out to be is like is the only way there. There's multiple ways of getting there including FREE shuttle buses from Jamaica and midtown, driving, taking a cab, and even the Q37.

 

It's not the end of the world...

[lupojohn]

I do not mean to insult anyone's knowledge and i'm glad no one(so far)has taken it that way. I can see it from both points of view:

 

The (MTA)should know better than to schedule a G.O. the weekend of the Wood. The date is set well in advance. The inclement weather postponing the G.O. is obviously understandable, but again, this is the biggest day in NY racing save the Belmont. My comment simply meant you had to be a member of the racing community to get that, as racing is not mainstream like most major sports here. On the other hand, politicians can't complain unless they are willing to do something about it themselves. The (MTA)does things they want to and there's nothing local officials, racing fans, or racing officials can do. What would concern me and what should NOT be brushed aside as I see here is the out-of-towners. We that live in NYC know how G.O.'s work, but they don't. It is not good for anyone if, as was mentioned here above, if they turn away at the first sign of discouragement or frustration because they need to understand, but no one explained it to them. I've encountered these types and most have understood, but not everyone is smart enough to realize this. Not their fault. Just the way it is. Simply put, there should be compromise for everyone involved in a situation like this.

[YankeesPwnMets]

The problem with that G.O. in 1997 was the fact the bus drivers on the shuttle buses ROYALLY messed up the route they were going.  I remember that day vividly, I wound up having to ride TWICE from Euclid to get there and others I know simply went back to Manhattan after the first attempt after experiencing similar problems.  NYRA likely knew, but probably could not have done anything about it. 

 

The attendance that day was the lowest ever for the Wood Memorial and some in the media reporting from outside New York were completely unaware of the doing that G.O., with many knocking NYRA for low attendance for the Wood when in reality that was NOT NYRA's fault.  Those of us who tried to get to Aqueduct knew the real problems, and that was something others could not understand, with people knocking New York horseplayers for not being at Aqueduct for that Wood Memorial when many wanted to be there, but had problems bad enough with getting there because of major snafus on the 's end with shuttle bus service that they didn't.  I did manage to get there that day, but others I know didn't specifically because of that. 

 

That's why I said what I did before.  The Wood is considered to be the first major race of the year in New York, and that's why the should have moved this set of G.O.'s up or pushed them back one week (or only did them on Sunday) to accommodate those going to Aqueduct for the Wood.

The work has to be done. Beach season starts soon, and I can tell you that they're a million times more beach goers than race goers. The Rockaways area was severely damaged by Sandy and some of the equipment there still may not be fixed. If it has to occur on that specific weekend, then it is what it is. The MTA is a PUBLIC BENEFIT corporation, not a private entity. They are not obligated to serve race-goers, but they ARE obligated to do what is most convenient for the majority of the public, which is to get the work done on the track before faulty equipment gets a train stuck for an hour during the middle of the rush.  If the NYRA has a problem with it, then they can take the initiative and send their own private shuttle buses up from Times Square or whatever and shuttle passengers themselves.

 

I don't know the specifics of how the MTA determines GO dates, but I'm pretty sure it's not arbitrary. I don't think you can simply say "oh well just move the GO to weeknights or the next weekend or the previous weekend" blah blah blah because there is probably meticulous planning that goes into GOs. Changing the GO could require the to pay overtime for certain workers, take away off day for other workers, etc etc. Moving GO dates around probably requires a ton of logistics planning, rescheduling just one GO could create headaches for the MTA in terms of planning, and it could possibly be very expensive as well because some workers will be receiving overtime pay. Sometimes, alternates are not feasible and you're just going to have to continue with the original plan.

Edited April 4, 2014 by YankeesPwnMets

[lupojohn]

The work has to be done. Beach season starts soon, and I can tell you that they're a million times more beach goers than race goers. The Rockaways area was severely damaged by Sandy and some of the equipment there still may not be fixed. If it has to occur on that specific weekend, then it is what it is. The MTA is a PUBLIC BENEFIT corporation, not a private entity. They are not obligated to serve race-goers, but they ARE obligated to do what is most convenient for the majority of the public, which is to get the work done on the track before faulty equipment gets a train stuck for an hour during the middle of the rush.  If the NYRA has a problem with it, then they can take the initiative and send their own private shuttle buses up from Times Square or whatever and shuttle passengers themselves.

 

I don't know the specifics of how the MTA determines GO dates, but I'm pretty sure it's not arbitrary. I don't think you can simply say "oh well just move the GO to weeknights or the next weekend or the previous weekend" blah blah blah because there is probably meticulous planning that goes into GOs. Changing the GO could require the to pay overtime for certain workers, take away off day for other workers, etc etc. Moving GO dates around probably requires a ton of logistics planning, rescheduling just one GO could create headaches for the MTA in terms of planning, and it could possibly be very expensive as well because some workers will be receiving overtime pay. Sometimes, alternates are not feasible and you're just going to have to continue with the original plan.

Let's be honest: the only cares about the , regardless of what Wally says.

[Culver]

9088-9102 might as well have square wheels. Some shitty maintenance there. Train was damn near rattling from the flatspots.

[trainfanrod]

I hate how the trains run in queens it's the worst borough for trains

[pjbr40]

The only thing the MTA is doing is working at Hoyt Street. They advised people to take the J to Broadway Junction to pick up the A train from there. No service is lost at Aqueduct. The MTA is aware of the Wood Memorial.

Edited April 4, 2014 by pjbr40