official Subway - What If?

[LGA Link N Train]

service is rerouted up 6th Av via 53rd street to Jamaica, running express. Trains in Astoria become shuttles.

service is truncated to Times Square, and runs local in Manhattan.

service is terminates at Whitehall (late-night service pattern).

service operates as a shuttle between Times Square and Whitehall Street.

 

Other routes affected by this change:

service is rerouted to Chambers to permit the to run to Queens.

trains now run local in Queens so the can run express. This helps take some pressure off the as two express lines now run via 53rd.

So are there any SAS shuttles

 

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[R68OnBroadway]

So are there any SAS shuttles

 

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SAS shuttles wouldn't work as the body could be in the 63rd street tunnel, so power on that track would be shut down, while the IND side would remain open.

[LGA Link N Train]

SAS shuttles wouldn't work as the body could be in the 63rd street tunnel, so power on that track would be shut down, while the IND side would remain open.

Oh ok

 

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What if a category 4 or 5 hurricane hit New York causing it to be rebuilt entirely and the subway system was chosen first to rebuild by Cuomo, DeBlasio, Trump, etc.. The citizens of New York, the MTA, and engineers from all other agencies are chosen to rebuild the Subway. How and where would rebuild it???

 

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Oh ok

 

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What if a category 4 or 5 hurricane hit New York causing it to be rebuilt entirely and the subway system was chosen first to rebuild by Cuomo, DeBlasio, Trump, etc.. The citizens of New York, the MTA, and engineers from all other agencies are chosen to rebuild the Subway. How and where would rebuild it???

 

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Now before anyone says this is stupid, just answer the question first

 

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[BM5 via Woodhaven]

Some of these recent what if's, are, just wow...lol.

Edited September 15, 2017 by BM5 via Woodhaven Bl

[quadcorder]

Oh ok

 

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What if a category 4 or 5 hurricane hit New York causing it to be rebuilt entirely and the subway system was chosen first to rebuild by Cuomo, DeBlasio, Trump, etc.. The citizens of New York, the MTA, and engineers from all other agencies are chosen to rebuild the Subway. How and where would rebuild it???

 

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Now before anyone says this is stupid, just answer the question first

 

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Sorry, no can do. This is stupid, this thread is for realistic short-turn service disruptions.

[LGA Link N Train]

Sorry, no can do. This is stupid, this thread is for realistic short-turn service disruptions.

Awwwww

 

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Anyways, back on track. What if a policie investigation happened at Let's say ...... times square on the

 

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[Lawrence St]

Why does everyone go to Times Square a lot, is it because almost every subway line passes through it?

[Wallyhorse]

The power is cut from the tracks at 57 Street–7 Avenue and 5 Avenue. That means no trains up to 49 Street from below (if you can even terminate there ) and no trains turning with the switches at Lexington Avenue/59 Street since the switches are on the west end of the station towards 5 Avenue.

The power is out at 57 Street–7 Avenue as well since the third person could be either north or south of the station.

 

C'mon people… take precautions!

That's why I said LIMITED service.  Obviously, if necessary that would just be scrapped and it would be from Times Square in that scenario. 

[Wallyhorse]

What if power went out for three days at coney island yard and stations near the yard especially the Coney Island Terminal. It Effect on B/D/F/G/N/Q/R/W and it's cars.

Here goes (this assumes the max amount of cars are already out on the road at rush hour when this happens):

 

runs reduced service but does serve regular route

terminates at Bay Parkway (select trains terminate at 9th Avenue)

terminates at Kings Highway (select trains terminate at Church Avenue)

and are unaffected

terminates at Kings Highway

terminates to Brighton Beach.

Some and trains continue to Ocean Parkway and terminate there.

 

All lines affected going north run their regular routes.

[LGA Link N Train]

What if the LIRR LIC station was the New Transit Museum while that station would be replaced with a better Montauk service that is also a Manhattan Crosstown

 

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[P3F]

What if the LIRR LIC station was the New Transit Museum while that station would be replaced with a better Montauk service that is also a Manhattan Crosstown

 

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???

[Wallyhorse]

Right, getting this back on topic:

 

Rail conditions north (actually west) of 2nd Avenue makes it so all trains to/from Broadway-Lafayette MUST come from/go to the Broadway-Brooklyn line, which is unaffected by this. 

At the same time, a switch issue in the Montague tunnel makes it so all trains in the tunnel to Manhattan MUST go via Nassau (though trains from Manhattan on the Broadway line can use the Montague tunnel normally).

Lines mainly affected:

Reroute as needed.

[Wallyhorse]

runs via the to Broadway Jct or Metropolitan Av.

is suspended.

are rerouted to 95 St to replace the since R46s can't go on the Nassau or Jamaica Line. Trains run local in both directions between Marcy Av and Broadway Junction.

Southbound trains terminate at Whitehall St.

Southbound trains terminate at Bay Pkwy on the Sea Beach Line.

is extended to Coney Island to make up for rerouted trains.

75 foot trains are banned from the Eastern Division entirely.  Also, most stations in the Eastern Division are less than 600 feet (Metropolitan is only 480 feet). 

[R68OnBroadway]

trains will run as 8-car trains to Metropolitan or Broadway Jct. trains will run 8-car trains as well with R160s and some R46s. The R68s on the would be used to provide extra service on the and .

 You can't run 8-car F trains as you should have to go take some from ENY, which would take an hour if they were sitting there. You would also be deceasing capacity, and you could just transfer to the at Broadway-Laffayette and take it to Canal or Brooklyn Bridge for the / if you needed to get to Queens and Brooklyn.

 

Right, getting this back on topic:

 

Rail conditions north (actually west) of 2nd Avenue makes it so all trains to/from Broadway-Lafayette MUST come from/go to the Broadway-Brooklyn line, which is unaffected by this. 

 

At the same time, a switch issue in the Montague tunnel makes it so all trains in the tunnel to Manhattan MUST go via Nassau (though trains from Manhattan on the Broadway line can use the Montague tunnel normally).

 

Lines mainly affected:

 

Reroute as needed.

  trains are suspended.

  trains rerouted via the to 9th Av, via 4th Avenue Lcl. 

  service is rerouted to Chambers Street or Broad Street.

  operates as normal. 

  trains are rerouted over the Manhattan Bridge to Dekalb, where they resume normal service. IRT Brooklyn lines provide alternate service.

  trains to Bay Pkwy are suspended.

Edited September 16, 2017 by R68OnBroadway

[BayParkwayW]

Increased Service

Reduced Service/some trains terminate at WTC or Lefferts Blvd

runs via the line to Euclid Av, making local stops in Queens

Jamaica Ctr to Bay Ridge-95 St via 4 Av Lcl

Metropolitan Av/Bway Jct to Coney Island via Sea Beach

Suspended

Suspended

Suspended

Suspended

Some trains to Forest Hills-71 Av

Ditmars Blvd to Whitehall St, all times via local

 Some trains Forest Hills-71 Av (trains lengthened to 8-10 Cars)

[Lawrence St]

Increased Service

Reduced Service/some trains terminate at WTC or Lefferts Blvd

runs via the line to Euclid Av, making local stops in Queens

Jamaica Ctr to Bay Ridge-95 St via 4 Av Lcl

Metropolitan Av/Bway Jct to Coney Island via Sea Beach

Suspended

Suspended

Suspended

Suspended

Some trains to Forest Hills-71 Av

Ditmars Blvd to Whitehall St, all times via local

Some trains Forest Hills-71 Av (trains lengthened to 8-10 Cars)

Which what if is this for? And what the heck is serving Coney Island via Culver?

[Fresh Pond]

Right, getting this back on topic:

 

Rail conditions north (actually west) of 2nd Avenue makes it so all trains to/from Broadway-Lafayette MUST come from/go to the Broadway-Brooklyn line, which is unaffected by this.

 

At the same time, a switch issue in the Montague tunnel makes it so all trains in the tunnel to Manhattan MUST go via Nassau (though trains from Manhattan on the Broadway line can use the Montague tunnel normally).

 

Lines mainly affected:

 

Reroute as needed.

via Cranberry

normal

via bridge Manhattan bound

 

...simple

[CenSin]

via Cranberry

normal

via bridge Manhattan bound

 

...simple

Simplicity is the last thing anyone is thinking about. This place is a madhouse.

[R68OnBroadway]

via Cranberry

normal

via bridge Manhattan bound

 

...simple

Cranberry is at capacity, so I would just extend the and send the to CI via West End or Sea Beach. Besides that, it works fine. 

[Wallyhorse]

The Williamsburg Bridge is closed for another set of repairs. This affects the .

With this closure (assuming this will be for several months):

 

operates from Jamaica Center-Marcy Avenue ONLY!

 

operates in two sections:

Metropolitan Avenue-Myrtle Avenue (all times)

 

Essex Street to 71st-Continental (Weekdays, NOTE: Some trains begin and end at 2nd Avenue station and may use non-Eastern Division equipment)

 

Essex-96th Street (all other times)

 

temporarily becomes a shuttle between Broad and Essex Streets.  Late nights, line can be extended to 95th Street-Bay Ridge and can replace the in Brooklyn.

[Fresh Pond]

Cranberry is at capacity, so I would just extend the and send the to CI via West End or Sea Beach. Besides that, it works fine.

Well send every other via Crosstown then. No need to extend the and send the on some ungodly reroute

[CenSin]

Next scenario:

 

The Broadway, 7 Avenue, and Lexington Avenue lines has insufficient stormproofing. A hurricane floods…

• …South Ferry/Whitehall Street, Rector Street, and Cortlandt Street on both the Broadway and 7 Avenue lines.
• …Bowling Green and the Joralemon Street Tunnel with the initial flood pushing up to Brooklyn Bridge–City Hall temporarily. Saltwater damage has occurred again and the line is out of service from Brooklyn Bridge–City Hall to Borough Hall.
  • Water that made it to Fulton Street also flooded the () level with most of that water emptying into the Cranberry Street Tunnel.

Of course, other flooded areas out in the open include:

• Coney Island Yard (), 86 Street, Avenue, and Kings Highway ()
• Broad Channel ()

 

Reroute away!

Edited September 17, 2017 by CenSin

[R68OnBroadway]

Next scenario:

 

The Broadway, 7 Avenue, and Lexington Avenue lines has insufficient stormproofing. A hurricane floods…

• …South Ferry/Whitehall Street, Rector Street, and Cortlandt Street on both the Broadway and 7 Avenue lines.
• …Bowling Green and the Joralemon Street Tunnel with the initial flood pushing up to Brooklyn Bridge–City Hall temporarily. Saltwater damage has occurred again and the line is out of service from Brooklyn Bridge–City Hall to Borough Hall.
  • Water that made it to Fulton Street also flooded the ( ) level with most of that water emptying into the Cranberry Street Tunnel.

Of course, other flooded areas out in the open include:

• Coney Island Yard ( ), 86 Street, Avenue, and Kings Highway ( )
• Broad Channel ( )

 

Reroute away!

 A shuttle signed as runs between 116th and Far Rockaway.

service operates between Howard Beach/Lefferts and 207th Street. Trains run local in Brooklyn, and also run via Rutgers/6th Av. Some peak trains run express in Brooklyn.

trains run between 168th and WTC.

trains operate as normal.

service slightly reduced.

trains terminate at Bay Pkwy.

trains run to Flatbush Av via Eastern Pkwy Exp.

trains run as normal.

trains run as normal.

trains run between Woodlawn and Brooklyn Bridge, running local south of Grand Central.

trains run between Grand Central and Dyre Av.

operates as normal.

late-night service rerouted over Manhattan Bridge. Trains run via the to CI, with some terminating at Ocean Pkwy due to capacity issues.

operates as normal.

service via Bridge at all times.

is suspended.

 

Cranes are used to get cars to the Rockaways. CI yard is already evacuated and only cars awaiting scrapping remain.

Edited September 17, 2017 by R68OnBroadway

[Wallyhorse]

Next scenario:

 

The Broadway, 7 Avenue, and Lexington Avenue lines has insufficient stormproofing. A hurricane floods…

• …South Ferry/Whitehall Street, Rector Street, and Cortlandt Street on both the Broadway and 7 Avenue lines.
• …Bowling Green and the Joralemon Street Tunnel with the initial flood pushing up to Brooklyn Bridge–City Hall temporarily. Saltwater damage has occurred again and the line is out of service from Brooklyn Bridge–City Hall to Borough Hall.
  • Water that made it to Fulton Street also flooded the (A/C) level with most of that water emptying into the Cranberry Street Tunnel.

Of course, other flooded areas out in the open include:

• Coney Island Yard (D/N), 86 Street, Avenue, and Kings Highway N
• Broad Channel (A/S)

 

Reroute away!

Some MAJOR long-term changes here (these assume there are enough cars to handle such).

 

With Clark, Montague and Rutgers still running, here's how I would do it:

 

replaces the south of 14th Street (running normal to Chambers St.) and runs to New Lots Avenue at all times.

 

runs local between 96th and Chambers Street, normal route otherwise

 

is truncated to 14th Street at all times

 

and are both truncated, run local at all times and terminate at all times at Grand Central (some trains terminate at 59th Street)

 

runs between Dyre Avenue and 125th Street ONLY at all times (including late nights)

 

Shuttles run on the Lexington Avenue Line tracks south of Grand Central as follows and are designated :

 

Local between Grand Central and 14th Street on the downtown local track, return to Grand Central going uptown on the downtown express track.

 

Single track between 14th Street and Canal Street on the Uptown Local Track in both directions.

 

DOES NOT operate in Manhattan and does operate between Jay Street-Metrotech and Lefferts Boulevard as a local at ALL TIMES.

 

becomes a seven-day-a-week line, re-routed north of 125th Street to 168th Street (except late nights).

 

takes over full-time operations in Manhattan from 207th Street (local at ALL TIMES) and then via the Broadway-Brooklyn line south of West 4th Street to Broadway Junction, where it terminates (NOTE: Runs peak-direction express on the Broadway-Brooklyn line).

 

is unaffected unless there are car shortages.

 

is the only train south of West 4th on the 8th Avenue line in Manhattan.

 

Select trains during peak periods run via the Crosstown between Roosevelt Avenue and Bergen Street.

 

is extended to 71st-Continental (late nights to Queens Plaza).

 

The post-Sandy is brought back in the Rockaways.

 

The is brought back as an Express Shuttle between Utica Avenue and Howard Beach-JFK Airport (and if there is enough capacity to do so, such can run between Jay Street and Howard Beach and if so also as a local)

 

is truncated to Chambers Street at ALL TIMES (no service during this time and no peak-direction express service).  If there is lack of car availability in other divisions, if needed it can be extended to Coney Island depending on which line is the most hurt by lack of car availability.

 

 returns to being brown and runs Metropolitan Avenue to 95th Street-Bay Ridge at ALL TIMES

 

runs normal service.

 

and operate via the Bridge south of Canal Street at ALL TIMES.

 

operates from Canal Street (Tunnel Level) to 71st-Continental ONLY!

[CenSin]

operates as normal.

Brooklyn Bridge–City Hall is flooded. Try again.

 

 

 returns to being brown and runs Metropolitan Avenue to 95th Street-Bay Ridge at ALL TIMES

If South Ferry/Whitehall Street floods, so does the Montague Street Tunnel because gravity. I guess that should have been mentioned explicitly like I did with the Cranberry Street Tunnel and Joralemon Street Tunnel.