Hound Posted November 27, 2012 Share #226 Posted November 27, 2012 That statement is an oxymoron, more use would result in more maintenance and wear and tear costs. How wold they be cutting costs by running the one bus hard instead of pulling out a fres bus??? Unless this is being done on the V's, if so, smart move! Squeeze every drop of shampoo out of the bottle before you throw it out. Smart, run the V's until they drop, then retire them. Yea, they don't know how to operate in NY where there's traffic, they're used to operating in small towns where's there no traffic like Atlanta, LA, Maryland MTA, Las Vegas, Phoenix, San Diego, Sacramento, , etc etc... No traffic in these towns. You need to get out of Nassau County every now & then.. LMAO It's not that there's not traffic in the cities you mentioned(and I've driven a bus in all of them),but it's the punishment they take in NYC & Long Island from the amount of passengers carried,the condition of roadways,unsynchronized traffic lights,and generally poor & aggressive drivers. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
jgood6195 Posted November 27, 2012 Share #227 Posted November 27, 2012 I agree, NICE should of came in with a better game plan and conducted studies in the MTA Long Island bus system months in advance. This would of prevented some of the headaches now. Nassau should of had the MTA stay until atleast June when Veolia could of wrapped up their reseach. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
User Posted November 27, 2012 Share #228 Posted November 27, 2012 It's not that there's not traffic in the cities you mentioned(and I've driven a bus in all of them),but it's the punishment they take in NYC & Long Island from the amount of passengers carried,the condition of roadways,unsynchronized traffic lights,and generally poor & aggressive drivers. I understand the unsynchronized traffic lights (messes up the scheduling), the poor and agressive drivers (cut the drivers off and cause accidents), the amount of passengers (many buses are packed), but are the condition of the roadways really doing the bad damage to the buses? Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Joel Up Front Posted November 28, 2012 Share #229 Posted November 28, 2012 The state roads have horribly off-sync traffic lights... the ones that our buses use seem to be fine, especially the non-stop segments of the N20 on Old Northern Boulevard and Route 107. Too bad it doesn't make up for being on a crushloaded bus that always gets cut off by the idiots who got their licenses by putting their car into gear. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Burrstone Posted November 30, 2012 Share #230 Posted November 30, 2012 Went past Mitchel Field on the way to the mall today, new buses in the front & back. The highest bus I saw was was 1877. Some of the lower numbered buses have tags, I def remember seeing some 1850's with tags on them. Is 1840 on the road? I caught a pic of 1840 outside the bays (I'll post the pic when I get home) bus had a tag on it and was gone a short time later. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
R32 3838 Posted November 30, 2012 Share #231 Posted November 30, 2012 the one thing NICE should do is keep the orion V CNG's, one thing i like about private companies, they keep thier buses until its their time to go unlike the MTA, the MTA keeps buses until they are about 12-14 years old, look how many CNG's they are retiring, hopefully NICE keeps the 2001-2002 Orion V CNG's longer, the Orion V CNG's that are being replaced aren't even old, they have 3 years left in them since they are from 2000, most CNG's built after 1998 can last for over 14 years, if I were NICE i would keep some of the good ones and increase service, one thing that pissed me off is when the took over the privates Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
jgood6195 Posted November 30, 2012 Share #232 Posted November 30, 2012 True, Long Island bus used to have a shortage fleet of about 20-30 backup buses when there were not enough CNGs to make service. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
DJ MC Posted November 30, 2012 Share #233 Posted November 30, 2012 the one thing NICE should do is keep the orion V CNG's, one thing i like about private companies, they keep thier buses until its their time to go unlike the MTA, the MTA keeps buses until they are about 12-14 years old, look how many CNG's they are retiring, hopefully NICE keeps the 2001-2002 Orion V CNG's longer, the Orion V CNG's that are being replaced aren't even old, they have 3 years left in them since they are from 2000, most CNG's built after 1998 can last for over 14 years, if I were NICE i would keep some of the good ones and increase service, one thing that pissed me off is when the took over the privates 12-14 years is the retirement age for all buses regardless of who built them. You may have a few individuals that can keep running past that 12 year mark, but that doesn't mean the whole fleet should go past it. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
User Posted December 1, 2012 Share #234 Posted December 1, 2012 Went past Mitchel Field on the way to the mall today, new buses in the front & back. The highest bus I saw was was 1877. Some of the lower numbered buses have tags, I def remember seeing some 1850's with tags on them. Is 1840 on the road? I caught a pic of 1840 outside the bays (I'll post the pic when I get home) bus had a tag on it and was gone a short time later. They may be training in 1840. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Turbo19 Posted December 1, 2012 Share #235 Posted December 1, 2012 the one thing NICE should do is keep the orion V CNG's, one thing i like about private companies, they keep thier buses until its their time to go unlike the MTA, the MTA keeps buses until they are about 12-14 years old, look how many CNG's they are retiring, hopefully NICE keeps the 2001-2002 Orion V CNG's longer, the Orion V CNG's that are being replaced aren't even old, they have 3 years left in them since they are from 2000, most CNG's built after 1998 can last for over 14 years, if I were NICE i would keep some of the good ones and increase service, one thing that pissed me off is when the took over the privates By the 15th year the engine is shot, the interior is crap, and the bus is required to be recertified. To do that and rehabilitate the bus is nearly cost of a new bus. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
R32 3838 Posted December 1, 2012 Share #236 Posted December 1, 2012 the Orion V CNG's can last up to 15 years the maximum (they have to be built after 1998 to last that long as i stated earlier) NICE isn't the MTA so they can keep the buses up to their 15 year mark if they wanted to, but most orion V Buses (esp if their non stainless steel) can last at a maximum of 13-17 years, TTC's are about 16 years old (former CNG buses that were converted to diesel) and the ex bee lines that are 17 years old, NICE is almost a year old company but they should keep their fleet to the maximum unless the bus starts to fail alot, its stupid for a bus to last 12 years unless its a gillig lol but seriously thats a myth Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Burrstone Posted December 1, 2012 Share #237 Posted December 1, 2012 I agree, NICE should of came in with a better game plan and conducted studies in the MTA Long Island bus system months in advance. This would of prevented some of the headaches now. Nassau should of had the MTA stay until atleast June when Veolia could of wrapped up their reseach. Veolia requested many things from the MTA prior to the take over, many having to do with ridership etc. but MTA would not give it up. All Veolia could do was hire temp agencies to hire people to work as traffic checkers. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
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User Posted December 1, 2012 Share #239 Posted December 1, 2012 Well that's a first. I've never seen a tag there, and also, notice that's there no NICE logo under the driver side window, but instead above it! Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Burrstone Posted December 1, 2012 Share #240 Posted December 1, 2012 I was surprised by the number behind the drivers window... ...and my god these things shine in person! Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
RailBus63 Posted December 1, 2012 Share #241 Posted December 1, 2012 the Orion V CNG's can last up to 15 years the maximum (they have to be built after 1998 to last that long as i stated earlier) NICE isn't the MTA so they can keep the buses up to their 15 year mark if they wanted to, but most orion V Buses (esp if their non stainless steel) can last at a maximum of 13-17 years, TTC's are about 16 years old (former CNG buses that were converted to diesel) and the ex bee lines that are 17 years old, NICE is almost a year old company but they should keep their fleet to the maximum unless the bus starts to fail alot, its stupid for a bus to last 12 years unless its a gillig lol but seriously thats a myth The 'maximums' are strictly theoretical. Some Canadian transit agencies are still operating Orion V diesel buses from the early 1990's (with 6V-92 engines!). Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Ty24 Posted December 1, 2012 Share #242 Posted December 1, 2012 The 1500's are now starting to retire. 1551 and 1552 are now scrapped, saw them in the back of the depot stripped. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Burrstone Posted December 1, 2012 Share #243 Posted December 1, 2012 I saw a couple in the back that obviously looked like they were being stripped, were these them? Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Joel Up Front Posted December 1, 2012 Share #244 Posted December 1, 2012 NICE is keeping the ones that are still running well. I know 1528 is still around and going strong. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Ty24 Posted December 1, 2012 Share #245 Posted December 1, 2012 I saw a couple in the back that obviously looked like they were being stripped, were these them? Yes, those are the two that's back there along with another one. I couldn't get the number. 1578,1567,1559,1804 are no longer back there. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
User Posted December 1, 2012 Share #246 Posted December 1, 2012 1533 is still in service as well. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Cait Sith Posted December 1, 2012 Share #247 Posted December 1, 2012 They may be training in 1840. Not necessary. They're the same as the lower 1800s, just different cosmetics. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
R32 3838 Posted December 1, 2012 Share #248 Posted December 1, 2012 looks like these NEW NICE 3G's started service on the n6, 1843, has a allison tranny just like the older 17/1800's: Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
R32 3838 Posted December 1, 2012 Share #249 Posted December 1, 2012 The 'maximums' are strictly theoretical. Some Canadian transit agencies are still operating Orion V diesel buses from the early 1990's (with 6V-92 engines!). yup that is true Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Burrstone Posted December 1, 2012 Share #250 Posted December 1, 2012 Well I got some new information from a retired LIB operator who said the new buses are sitting in the yard and havent gone into service yet over a funding dispute. Mangano wants Veolia to share in the cost but they don't want to. So the old Orion V CNGs arent going anywhere yet. looks like these NEW NICE 3G's started service on the n6, 1843, has a allison tranny just like the older 17/1800's: It's like every time PinePower enlightens us with something one of his buddy retired or ex nice bus drivers tells him the universe quickly shows us proof that he had to open up wide and put his foot in his mouth. PinePower, like I told you before, don't believe everything you hear. ...and based on what you've posted here recently (new buses not going anywhere because of a funding dispute, nice driver who crashed into house was probably inexperienced and rushing) is there any reason you can give us that we should believe anything in the future that you "enlighten" us with based on what you've heard? Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
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