Burrstone Posted November 21, 2014 Share #3151 Posted November 21, 2014 Those "aliens" deserve to be here. They have work values that these farebeaters don't have. Nobody deserves to be here unless they do it legally. If you are here illegally you should not get amnesty IMHO because you already shown you don't respect our laws or processes, you will do whatever to beat the system! 0 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Joel Up Front Posted November 21, 2014 Share #3152 Posted November 21, 2014 Those "aliens" deserve to be here. They have work values that these farebeaters don't have. My parents and all of my family got in legally - they were lucky enough to have been selected, and I'm just watching all these fence jumpers get free food, housing, welfare, and a driver's license because they're here illegally? 0 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
GojiMet86 Posted November 21, 2014 Share #3153 Posted November 21, 2014 (edited) My parents and all of my family got in legally - they were lucky enough to have been selected, and I'm just watching all these fence jumpers get free food, housing, welfare, and a driver's license because they're here illegally? The fact is that you guys seriously don't actually understand immigration laws. They can be here illegally and still apply for citizenship legally. Nothing bad about that. It's allowed. Just like how your parents came. They weren't more deserving than others. Sometimes the financial means to apply for citizenship aren't available when they first arrive. There's nothing morally incorrect about what they're doing. As much as you guys dream about it, anarchy is not coming to America. If you're worried about them getting all these services, why not make them citizens? Then they would have to pay for them. Right? Edited November 21, 2014 by GojiMet86 0 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Joel Up Front Posted November 21, 2014 Share #3154 Posted November 21, 2014 The fact is that you guys seriously don't actually understand immigration laws. They can be here illegally and still apply for citizenship legally. Nothing bad about that. It's allowed. Just like how your parents came. They weren't more deserving than others. Sometimes the financial means to apply for citizenship aren't available when they first arrive. There's nothing morally incorrect about what they're doing. As much as you guys dream about it, anarchy is not coming to America. If you're worried about them getting all these services, why not make them citizens? Then they would have to pay for them. Right? So by that logic, I could enter the country illegally and get more benefits than an American-born citizen? Sign me up! 1 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
N6 Limited Posted November 21, 2014 Share #3155 Posted November 21, 2014 So by that logic, I could enter the country illegally and get more benefits than an American-born citizen? Sign me up! How do you think all these foreigners have businesses? 0 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Orion VII 4 Life Posted November 21, 2014 Share #3156 Posted November 21, 2014 (edited) There's a right way and a wrong way to come here. My family came here the right way and lived the American dream by working for it, many owning businesses and working around the clock. We shouldn't be rewarding people with socialist "benefits" who came here the wrong way. These people have showed disregard for our laws and policies since the day they decided to cross illegally and now we're gonna let them live off taxpayer money? It's one thing to offer them one, closely monitored chance at a path to citizenship but they shouldn't be able to get our money or be given our rights as citizens (especially to vote) while they're on that "path". Oh wait, the Democrats need a lot of new satisfied voters in 2016 so we can't do that. We have to give them benefits and the right to vote so in 2016 they vote for Mr./Mrs. Handout. America is dying. Inb4 liberal hate speech calling me racist/bigoted/"outdated"/any other classic liberal branding. Racism is when you hate someone because of their race and that's not the case here and you know it. Edited November 21, 2014 by Orion VII 4 Life 0 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
GojiMet86 Posted November 21, 2014 Share #3157 Posted November 21, 2014 There's a right way and a wrong way to come here. My family came here the right way and lived the American dream by working for it, many owning businesses and working around the clock. We shouldn't be rewarding people with socialist "benefits" who came here the wrong way. These people have showed disregard for our laws and policies since the day they decided to cross illegally and now we're gonna let them live off taxpayer money? It's one thing to offer them one, closely monitored chance at a path to citizenship but they shouldn't be able to get our money or be given our rights as citizens (especially to vote) while they're on that "path". Oh wait, the Democrats need a lot of new satisfied voters in 2016 so we can't do that. We have to give them benefits and the right to vote so in 2016 they vote for Mr./Mrs. Handout. America is dying.Inb4 liberal hate speech calling me racist/bigoted/"outdated"/any other classic liberal branding. Racism is when you hate someone because of their race and that's not the case here and you know it. How many times do you have to get it through your thick skull? There's no morally right or wrong way of coming here. There's only the law, and while the law states that not having papers and documentation is illegal, it also makes it clear that you can be here illegally and still apply for citizenship. Nothing wrong there. It's ironic that you're the one talking. You're always screwing with the law and people some way or another, especially the Port Authority and you are always blatantly ignoring the law. All I have to do is look at your prank videos to see how you screw around. But lucky for you, there's no law on departing misbehaving citizens. So by that logic, I could enter the country illegally and get more benefits than an American-born citizen? Sign me up! More benefits? How so? Once they become citizens, they get the right to the same benefits as you. You guys are really something, all willing to buy into illogical and irrational thoughts. But that's stupid people. 0 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Orion VII 4 Life Posted November 21, 2014 Share #3158 Posted November 21, 2014 How many times do you have to get it through your thick skull? There's no morally right or wrong way of coming here. There's only the law, and while the law states that not having papers and documentation is illegal, it also makes it clear that you can be here illegally and still apply for citizenship. Nothing wrong there. It's ironic that you're the one talking. You're always screwing with the law and people some way or another, especially the Port Authority and you are always blatantly ignoring the law. All I have to do is look at your prank videos to see how you screw around. But lucky for you, there's no law on departing misbehaving citizens. 1. There's a legally right way and wrong way of coming here. 2. I have the right to believe in some laws and not others and me "breaking the law" is irrelevant, no matter how much stupid sh*t I decide to do I understand it's a risk and that I may be arrested. It's like any other railfan who decides to go take pictures on PATH (inb4 I do worse sh*t), you know what you're doing, you know what can happen. I respect our immigration laws and understand that law enforcement has to enforce ALL our laws and not select what they want to enforce, say if I'm carrying an ounce of bud in my bag I understand I take the risk of being charged with a misdemeanor by the NYPD because they have to by New York State Law. Now, I don't like that law, but it's the law and I knowingly took the risk carrying that stuff in my bag. At the same time, someone crossing the border likely knows what they could be getting themselves in to and they take the risk as well. But the President is ordering the federal Border Patrol to not enforce our immigration laws and someone crossing the border illegally will likely be able to get by because the President doesn't want them to be arrested, even though the law says they should. 0 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
qjtransitmaster Posted November 21, 2014 Share #3159 Posted November 21, 2014 The hell happened to this thread? The reason why they are here illegally. Is due to laws making it harder to do so legally now you need an advanced degree to do it or a sponsor before it was much easier to come here legally. The door just got legally shut when latinos eventually tried to arrive. Due to circumstance. 0 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Burrstone Posted November 21, 2014 Share #3160 Posted November 21, 2014 My parents and all of my family got in legally - they were lucky enough to have been selected, and I'm just watching all these fence jumpers get free food, housing, welfare, and a driver's license because they're here illegally? Who needs a drivers license? Just get loaded and drive your car with illegal out of state plates and no license until you're so shitfaced one night you drive it into a NICE bus... The hell happened to this thread? The reason why they are here illegally. Is due to laws making it harder to do so legally now you need an advanced degree to do it or a sponsor before it was much easier to come here legally. The door just got legally shut when latinos eventually tried to arrive. Due to circumstance. Boo f**king hoo, they can come here illegally because it is too hard to do so legally? Are you kidding me? it's okay to break the law because doing it legally is too hard? Yea, these are the people I want in my Country. 1 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Joel Up Front Posted November 21, 2014 Share #3161 Posted November 21, 2014 How many times do you have to get it through your thick skull? There's no morally right or wrong way of coming here. There's only the law, and while the law states that not having papers and documentation is illegal, it also makes it clear that you can be here illegally and still apply for citizenship. Nothing wrong there. It's ironic that you're the one talking. You're always screwing with the law and people some way or another, especially the Port Authority and you are always blatantly ignoring the law. All I have to do is look at your prank videos to see how you screw around. But lucky for you, there's no law on departing misbehaving citizens. More benefits? How so? Once they become citizens, they get the right to the same benefits as you. You guys are really something, all willing to buy into illogical and irrational thoughts. But that's stupid people. Why don't we just throw the borders open, then? You seem to think anyone who lacks sympathy for "undocumented migrants" is stupid, so I'm going to reciprocate your logic back to you. 0 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
qjtransitmaster Posted November 21, 2014 Share #3162 Posted November 21, 2014 This thread just went to shit. I am just going to sit back & eat popcorn while this spectacle blows over. 0 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
BM5 via Woodhaven Posted November 22, 2014 Share #3163 Posted November 22, 2014 (edited) If someone wanted to come here within a fast timeframe, it would be best if political asylum would be considered, though being a legitimate source or reasoning ( with the main reason being that you are in danger in your native country of residence). It's allowed also after entering the country (within one year), and if one applies here (again with the requirements). Once that occurs, one could apply for work permits, after 150 days. Then eventually, getting a permanent residence card could be made (after one year of being granted asylum). Additionally, one could also do it with a visa (and wait). If undocumented immigrants try to cheat the system, then I can see how it is a problem. If there was only a more efficient way for all these immigrants apply for a visa (and faster), as well as taking advantage of possibly obtaining political asylum. Maybe that would cut down the amount of illegal immigrants enter the country, because the current lottery for visas is cutting it. When people apply for visas here and/or residency, there would be problems since it is seen as "unlawful presence", which is why it would be better for families who have time to take some time to apply for such documents before arrival to the US. For what it's worth, Goji's original post I did agree with with (since most of the undocumented immigrants would work more efficiently than the lazy bums panhandling all over the place). I do see what is being said when these immigrants come without any documentation and try to benefit off the system. _______________________________________________________________________________________ Anyways, I feel that this has been veered off enough, so I think we should get back on topic. Edited November 22, 2014 by BM5 via Woodhaven 2 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Burrstone Posted November 22, 2014 Share #3164 Posted November 22, 2014 This thread just went to shit. I am just going to sit back & eat popcorn while this spectacle blows over. This thread went to shit a year and a half ago! 0 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
RtrainBlues Posted November 22, 2014 Share #3165 Posted November 22, 2014 Did anyone notice how many people (usually 20 or 30 people) board westbound weekday N22 and N22A buses between 4pm and 6pm at Willis/Hillside Ave to go to Queens? Even though there is a LIRR station ("East Williston") a 2 minute walk away? It's because of the astronomical OFF-PEAK fares. Why pay $9.00 (zone 7 to zone 1) plus $2.50 subway = $11.50, when you can pay $2.50 and get a free transfer to the F train? Twenty bucks round-trip versus something you can get for free that's almost as fast? 1 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Joel Up Front Posted November 22, 2014 Share #3166 Posted November 22, 2014 (edited) NG 1785 (might be 1795) has the new Clever Devices - 3G signs, announcement, and the touch screen next to the steering wheel. A pity the old ones rarely worked or stopped working properly as a whole - I liked how they announced transfers. Edited November 22, 2014 by Joel Up Front 0 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
qjtransitmaster Posted November 22, 2014 Share #3167 Posted November 22, 2014 Did anyone notice how many people (usually 20 or 30 people) board westbound weekday N22 and N22A buses between 4pm and 6pm at Willis/Hillside Ave to go to Queens? Even though there is a LIRR station ("East Williston") a 2 minute walk away? It's because of the astronomical OFF-PEAK fares. Why pay $9.00 (zone 7 to zone 1) plus $2.50 subway = $11.50, when you can pay $2.50 and get a free transfer to the F train? Twenty bucks round-trip versus something you can get for free that's almost as fast?real reason is abysmal LIRR service and non existent reverse peak service the fare just is basically the last straw. And N22 serves areas that are far from the LIRR to boot hillside ave nuff said. N22 is also more frequent. 0 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Orion VII 4 Life Posted November 22, 2014 Share #3168 Posted November 22, 2014 NG 1785 (might be 1795) has the new Clever Devices - 3G signs, announcement, and the touch screen next to the steering wheel. A pity the old ones rarely worked or stopped working properly as a whole - I liked how they announced transfers. Probably the one I saw a little while back with the cone antenna on top. They're probably rolling it out to all the other buses this month or so to get everything set up for BusTime. 0 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
FamousNYLover Posted November 22, 2014 Share #3169 Posted November 22, 2014 Did anyone notice how many people (usually 20 or 30 people) board westbound weekday N22 and N22A buses between 4pm and 6pm at Willis/Hillside Ave to go to Queens? Even though there is a LIRR station ("East Williston") a 2 minute walk away? It's because of the astronomical OFF-PEAK fares. Why pay $9.00 (zone 7 to zone 1) plus $2.50 subway = $11.50, when you can pay $2.50 and get a free transfer to the F train? Twenty bucks round-trip versus something you can get for free that's almost as fast? Also LIRR forgot to put on Albertson Station has no connecting buses, but not true because n23 Willis Av and n27 Roslyn Rd is good 5 mintues walk. 0 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
FamousNYLover Posted November 22, 2014 Share #3170 Posted November 22, 2014 It would be nicer if LIRR put what type of MetroCard Information for all stations that intersected by NICE Bus. 0 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Hound Posted November 22, 2014 Share #3171 Posted November 22, 2014 The fact is that you guys seriously don't actually understand immigration laws. They can be here illegally and still apply for citizenship legally. Nothing bad about that. It's allowed. Just like how your parents came. They weren't more deserving than others. Sometimes the financial means to apply for citizenship aren't available when they first arrive. There's nothing morally incorrect about what they're doing. As much as you guys dream about it, anarchy is not coming to America. If you're worried about them getting all these services, why not make them citizens? Then they would have to pay for them. Right? Hey-if the U.S. sent all the aliens back to where they came from,NICE buses would be practically empty. 0 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
qjtransitmaster Posted November 23, 2014 Share #3172 Posted November 23, 2014 Hey-if the U.S. sent all the aliens back to where they came from,NICE buses would be practically empty. many routes do not go where non aliens want to go not directly look at N71 & eastern bus routes and over redundancy on many corridors. 0 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
1995 Orion V CNG Posted November 24, 2014 Share #3173 Posted November 24, 2014 Any news on when NICE will be selecting a new bus manufacturer? They need new CNGs asap. The 2000 Orion V CNGs are on their last legs and the 2004 Orion V CNGs are not too far behind. 0 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
1995 Orion V CNG Posted November 24, 2014 Share #3174 Posted November 24, 2014 I wonder if NICE will by some second hand Orion VII OG CNGs from NYCT once they retire in 2 years or so.... 0 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
1995 Orion V CNG Posted November 24, 2014 Share #3175 Posted November 24, 2014 BTW, does anyone have any photos of #1602 and/or #1686 since their fires? 0 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
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