DanTheTransitMan Posted June 25, 2012 Share #1 Posted June 25, 2012 I have been wondering lately, should NICE purchase a very small fleet of articulated buses? Palm Tran a small transit operator in Florida has already purchased some articulated buses; why can't NICE do the same. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Cait Sith Posted June 25, 2012 Share #2 Posted June 25, 2012 I have been wondering lately, should NICE purchase a very small fleet of articulated buses? Palm Tran a small transit operator in Florida has already purchased some articulated buses; why can't NICE do the same. They are still fairly new. It's also not about if they can or can't, its about if they want to or not and if they were, they'd have New Flyer & NABI CNG artics to look at. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
DanTheTransitMan Posted June 25, 2012 Author Share #3 Posted June 25, 2012 They are still fairly new. It's also not about if they can or can't, its about if they want to or not and if they were, they'd have New Flyer & NABI CNG artics to look at. Many I could write to them and figure out if they have any plans to order some artics, because the N6, N4, N20, and N22 definitely need some help. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
FamousNYLover Posted June 25, 2012 Share #4 Posted June 25, 2012 If Artic was on N6, it has to layover side. Artic might be difficult on N22 East going from Mineola Blvd bridge into Mineola Station. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Novabus 5000 Posted June 25, 2012 Share #5 Posted June 25, 2012 TThey saw this earlier this year. (I was VERY VERY bored) Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Burrstone Posted June 25, 2012 Share #6 Posted June 25, 2012 There's a thread here where someone (Brett?) asked NICE CEO Mike Setzer at one of the meetings if NICE was going to use Artics... I forget if the answer was they were going to look into it, or they looked into and would not use them. There is a thread here talking NICE's interest in double deckers... Some of the runs you would think could use them have tight turns, for instance the N4 has to make almost a u turn in Jamaica after it drops off and then pulls into the bus bay. Can an artic make that turn? Also in Freeport, would an artic be able to make the turn from where the buses layover to otherside of the lirr bridge where they pic passengers? What about the N88? Could a artic be used on that, seems like one is needed. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
DanTheTransitMan Posted June 25, 2012 Author Share #7 Posted June 25, 2012 There's a thread here where someone (Brett?) asked NICE CEO Mike Setzer at one of the meetings if NICE was going to use Artics... I forget if the answer was they were going to look into it, or they looked into and would not use them. Some of the runs you would think could use them have tight turns, for instance the N4 has to make almost a u turn in Jamaica after it drops off and then pulls into the bus bay. Can an artic make that turn? Also in Freeport, would an artic be able to make the turn from where the buses layover to otherside of the lirr bridge where they pic passengers? Couldn't you just move the terminal for the N4 in Jamaica across the street, as for Freeport I don't know what could be done about that. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
User Posted June 25, 2012 Share #8 Posted June 25, 2012 Artics could work on the N6 (any route), the N22 Limited, the 20 Limited, the N4, the N88, the 40/41 or maybe some others. An Artic going into Hempstead Terminal could serve from one of those parking spots on the side. I would see New Flyer working on Long Island the best. Good design, good reputation, especially with the . I don't like the idea of Double Deckers on Long Island. They just wouldn't fit under the LIRR or highway bridges, and they do look kinda ugly. There's a thread here where someone (Brett?) asked NICE CEO Mike Setzer at one of the meetings if NICE was going to use Artics... I forget if the answer was they were going to look into it, or they looked into and would not use them. There is a thread here talking NICE's interest in double deckers... Some of the runs you would think could use them have tight turns, for instance the N4 has to make almost a u turn in Jamaica after it drops off and then pulls into the bus bay. Can an artic make that turn? Also in Freeport, would an artic be able to make the turn from where the buses layover to otherside of the lirr bridge where they pic passengers? Yes, I asked NICE about artics and they said they were looking into them, especially New Flyer. They said they were in talks with them. I didn't ask Mike Setzer, but I asked the indian guy. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Cait Sith Posted June 25, 2012 Share #9 Posted June 25, 2012 There's a thread here where someone (Brett?) asked NICE CEO Mike Setzer at one of the meetings if NICE was going to use Artics... I forget if the answer was they were going to look into it, or they looked into and would not use them. There is a thread here talking NICE's interest in double deckers... Some of the runs you would think could use them have tight turns, for instance the N4 has to make almost a u turn in Jamaica after it drops off and then pulls into the bus bay. Can an artic make that turn? Also in Freeport, would an artic be able to make the turn from where the buses layover to otherside of the lirr bridge where they pic passengers? What about the N88? Could a artic be used on that, seems like one is needed. Artics can make the same turns as 40ft buses so its no big deal. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Joel Up Front Posted June 25, 2012 Share #10 Posted June 25, 2012 Couldn't you just move the terminal for the N4 in Jamaica across the street, as for Freeport I don't know what could be done about that. There's plenty of room along the tracks; it's that tight turn at Main Street and Merrick that it has to manage. Forty-foot buses can barely manage, unless the car waiting to make the left turn is kind enough to back up to give the buses room. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
lilbluefoxie Posted June 25, 2012 Share #11 Posted June 25, 2012 Wouldn't it be better to order more standard size buses and just increase the headways on the really busy routes? If I remember correctly the 4 and 6 have headways that are almost city style, like about 8-10 minutes, a few more are pretty close to that at around 15-20 min headways. You can bump those up to like 5-6 min and 10-12 min frequencies. What works better for passengers, more regular size buses or the same number of buses, just bigger ones? Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Cait Sith Posted June 25, 2012 Share #12 Posted June 25, 2012 Wouldn't it be better to order more standard size buses and just increase the headways on the really busy routes? If I remember correctly the 4 and 6 have headways that are almost city style, like about 8-10 minutes, a few more are pretty close to that at around 15-20 min headways. You can bump those up to like 5-6 min and 10-12 min frequencies. What works better for passengers, more regular size buses or the same number of buses, just bigger ones? With that really cramped seating configuration they are known to have, you might as well get articulated buses. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Burrstone Posted June 25, 2012 Share #13 Posted June 25, 2012 Wouldn't it be better to order more standard size buses and just increase the headways on the really busy routes? Obviously it would cost more to increase the number of 40 footers to accommodate the same number of passengers that you would with a artic or double decker. The bigger the bus, the more passengers, it can accommodate... Using doubles and artics NCE is saving on driver pay! If you could take one driver off that line a day NICE would be saving over a grand a day just in driver pay (at top rate) over a 5 day period! Maybe that driver could be put on another line to cut down on headway there. If I remember correctly the 4 and 6 have headways that are almost city style, like about 8-10 minutes, a few more are pretty close to that at around 15-20 min headways. You can bump those up to like 5-6 min and 10-12 min frequencies. What works better for passengers, more regular size buses or the same number of buses, just bigger ones? It's not a question of if passengers would enjoy less time until the next bus comes, of course they would. In a perfect world we could have every bus on every line come every 5 minutes. It's a question of what NICE can do with the little money they have and what is the best use for that money.for everyone uses the NICE system. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
lilbluefoxie Posted June 25, 2012 Share #14 Posted June 25, 2012 It's not a question of if passengers would enjoy less time until the next bus comes, of course they would. In a perfect world we could have every bus on every line come every 5 minutes. It's a question of what NICE can do with the little money they have and what is the best use for that money.for everyone uses the NICE system. This topic sounded more about fantasy bids rather than what NICE can actually afford, who knows if they even can afford to buy new buses without their parent companies help. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Joel Up Front Posted June 25, 2012 Share #15 Posted June 25, 2012 It'd help a lot more if the traffic lights had better timing. You don't need to hire engineers to see how FUBAR traffic can get with just one mistimed light. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Burrstone Posted June 25, 2012 Share #16 Posted June 25, 2012 This topic sounded more about fantasy bids rather than what NICE can actually afford, who knows if they even can afford to buy new buses without their parent companies help. Oh jezzzus! I want a space ship picking me up then! ...and the parent company wouldn't be buying buses, grant money does that. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
FamousNYLover Posted June 25, 2012 Share #17 Posted June 25, 2012 Artic might be perfect for n20l Limited, but not for local turn unless if artic N20 goes via Station Plaza North, then Station Plaza South. I think Artic could handle NYIT because Bee-Line Naoplean artic can handle U-turn at Westchester Medical Center's Main Entrance, by hitting curb. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
VWM Posted June 25, 2012 Share #18 Posted June 25, 2012 Artics can't fit into RF, so you could only put them on the n22L But yes. Some routes are in desperate need of artics Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
FamousNYLover Posted June 25, 2012 Share #19 Posted June 25, 2012 I think Roosevelt Field Mall is almost same size of Westchester Medical Center and I think it will fit in Bay 7 of Roosevelt Field Mall because Naopolean on Bee-Line #40/#41 handles narrow Westchester Medical Center very well. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Novabus 5000 Posted June 25, 2012 Share #20 Posted June 25, 2012 Personally, I could see NICE demoing an XN40/XN60 soon, considering that Orion is now out of the run. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
VWM Posted June 25, 2012 Share #21 Posted June 25, 2012 But the n22 also uses bay 1. I think it would be a promblem to use bay 7 in both directions. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
checkmatechamp13 Posted June 25, 2012 Share #22 Posted June 25, 2012 Wouldn't it be better to order more standard size buses and just increase the headways on the really busy routes? If I remember correctly the 4 and 6 have headways that are almost city style, like about 8-10 minutes, a few more are pretty close to that at around 15-20 min headways. You can bump those up to like 5-6 min and 10-12 min frequencies. What works better for passengers, more regular size buses or the same number of buses, just bigger ones? Regular-sized buses work better for the passengers because in order to get the same capacity, they have to run more frequently, which obviously gives the passengers more flexibility. For the company, articulated buses work better because they have to hire fewer drivers to move the same number of people. When you're dealing with routes that run every 15-20 minutes, I would generally say you're better off adding more buses. When you're dealing with routes that run every 5 minutes or less, you're better off using artics. But if money's tight, you have to go with whatever's cheaper. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
User Posted June 25, 2012 Share #23 Posted June 25, 2012 That's why artics would work best on routes like the N6, N4, N40/41, N88 or the N22, at least the way I see it. I think artics could make the turn to Hempstead Transit Center (park on the side instead of one of the bays), Mineola Intermodal Center and Roosevelt Field (the last bay would probably be the easiest). These routes also have high ridership, so that makes the artics fit in better. I would try artics with rush hour first to see how they do and depending on the response, then move them to run more often. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
theaveragejoe Posted June 26, 2012 Share #24 Posted June 26, 2012 For the extra cost in buying artics and having to mantain them, NICE would be better off ordering more 40 footers for the next little while. Personally, I could see NICE demoing an XN40/XN60 soon, considering that Orion is now out of the run. Look for Gillig to be a big player as they have been stealing Orion customers in Northern NY state and else where! Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Joel Up Front Posted June 26, 2012 Share #25 Posted June 26, 2012 I'd gladly take a dying Orion V than a brand new Gillig. Gillig left a bad impression here 20 years ago. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
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