lilbluefoxie Posted June 26, 2012 Share #26 Posted June 26, 2012 I'd gladly take a dying Orion V than a brand new Gillig. Gillig left a bad impression here 20 years ago. I agree, I like the Orions over the Gilligs as well Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Cait Sith Posted June 26, 2012 Share #27 Posted June 26, 2012 Regular-sized buses work better for the passengers because in order to get the same capacity, they have to run more frequently, which obviously gives the passengers more flexibility. Regular sized as in 40fters? Have you been on those NG CNGs they got out there?! Also, most of these NICE routes are like...what....50% on time to say the least? Routes, especially the N6, N20, 21 and N22 get extremely packed and those NG CNGs dont make things any better for anyone, frequent or not! Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Joel Up Front Posted June 26, 2012 Share #28 Posted June 26, 2012 1988: MSBA orders and received twenty 30 foot Gilligs and forty-one 40 foot Gilligs. 1990: MSBA orders and received the first Orion Vs in the . They do so well, they order several hundred for New York City. Those buses served almost 20 years and up until around 2007, still served as LIRR shuttles when needed. That two year span between the Gilligs and Orions tells me something... the Gilligs were pieces of shit. Apparently there were the old Grummans as well in 1990 but I think an Orion V CNG order (mid '90s) got rid of those. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
KeystoneRegional Posted June 26, 2012 Share #29 Posted June 26, 2012 I can also confirm that NICE is looking into New Flyer for Articulated Buses, however Rahul Kumar the Design management guy {yep he is indian} prefer Alexander Dennis EnviroSeries DoubleDeckers citing maneuverability. Routes talked about are the n6, though n4 and n22 might see tests, no solid timeline is set yet. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Amtrak7 Posted June 26, 2012 Share #30 Posted June 26, 2012 I can also confirm that NICE is looking into New Flyer for Articulated Buses, however Rahul Kumar the Design management guy {yep he is indian} prefer Alexander Dennis EnviroSeries DoubleDeckers citing maneuverability. Routes talked about are the n6, though n4 and n22 might see tests, no solid timeline is set yet. Never been on a double decker bus, but having been on some crowded LIRR C3's, I don't like the idea. People standing in the stairwell are very likely to be injured in an accident. That said, I don't think double decker buses would fit on LI either, with low overpasses and traffic lights everywhere. I believe in using artics, if only for the N4 and N6. Changing the routing into a terminal/turnaround loop shouldn't be that complex. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Joel Up Front Posted June 26, 2012 Share #31 Posted June 26, 2012 If a standard 13.5' high tractor-trailer can barely fit under LIRR underpasses, how the hell will those fabled double deckers, which have an ice cube's chance in hell of even making it here, fit under them? That Envirosmellsgoodwhatever is 13'9" and don't go telling me that they'll be modified or somehow the expansion of the metal under the heat will raise the bridge.... Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Amtrak7 Posted June 26, 2012 Share #32 Posted June 26, 2012 If a standard 13.5' high tractor-trailer can barely fit under LIRR underpasses, how the hell will those fabled double deckers, which have an ice cube's chance in hell of even making it here, fit under them? That Envirosmellsgoodwhatever is 13'9" and don't go telling me that they'll be modified or somehow the expansion of the metal under the heat will raise the bridge.... What's the height of the Megabus double deckers? 13' 9"? Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
FamousNYLover Posted June 27, 2012 Share #33 Posted June 27, 2012 One time when I was on n20, I saw Double-Decker from Designer Limo Tour Bus was travelling west on Northern Blvd. http://www.designerlimo.com/Double-Decker-Party-Bus.html Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
theaveragejoe Posted June 28, 2012 Share #34 Posted June 28, 2012 Regular sized as in 40fters? Have you been on those NG CNGs they got out there?! Also, most of these NICE routes are like...what....50% on time to say the least? Routes, especially the N6, N20, 21 and N22 get extremely packed and those NG CNGs dont make things any better for anyone, frequent or not! You can also added more buses to the route! Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
theaveragejoe Posted June 28, 2012 Share #35 Posted June 28, 2012 If a standard 13.5' high tractor-trailer can barely fit under LIRR underpasses, how the hell will those fabled double deckers, which have an ice cube's chance in hell of even making it here, fit under them? That Envirosmellsgoodwhatever is 13'9" and don't go telling me that they'll be modified or somehow the expansion of the metal under the heat will raise the bridge.... http://www.alexander-dennis.com/uploads/files/e500_transit_low_height_n_america_spec_sheet_1.pdf http://alexander-dennis.com/product-details.php?s=82&subs=45&tableID=222&itemID=4 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Phantom909 Posted June 28, 2012 Share #36 Posted June 28, 2012 back in 1982, MSBA had 2 ariculated demos numbered 1300 and 1301. they had too many problems on the hills of the north shore, thats why they were never purchased. http://bus.nycsubway.org/perl/show?3516 http://bus.nycsubway.org/perl/show?3517 joe Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Joel Up Front Posted June 28, 2012 Share #37 Posted June 28, 2012 I love the old MSBA ads. Hard to believe that was 30 years ago. http://www.alexander...pec_sheet_1.pdf http://alexander-den...ID=222&itemID=4 Cool story bro. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
KeystoneRegional Posted June 28, 2012 Share #38 Posted June 28, 2012 Never been on a double decker bus, but having been on some crowded LIRR C3's, I don't like the idea. People standing in the stairwell are very likely to be injured in an accident. That said, I don't think double decker buses would fit on LI either, with low overpasses and traffic lights everywhere. I believe in using artics, if only for the N4 and N6. Changing the routing into a terminal/turnaround loop shouldn't be that complex. That's what I said to Rahul Kumar, hopefully he gets it, same with Mike Setzer. Articulated buses has less limitations than Double Decker buses. Same for a truck with OverSized Load versus a regular 18-wheeler. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Joel Up Front Posted June 28, 2012 Share #39 Posted June 28, 2012 Those DAC artics worked down here... but running just one fleet of buses on a specific route is cost-intensive. I wonder why the didn't think about artics again when the '90s came around. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
FamousNYLover Posted June 28, 2012 Share #40 Posted June 28, 2012 I email Long Island Bus about articulated bus, and they articulated bus are unsafe for suburb. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
User Posted June 28, 2012 Share #41 Posted June 28, 2012 I email Long Island Bus about articulated bus, and they articulated bus are unsafe for suburb. Oh please, the just wanted to get artics for the city and treat us well. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
BM5 via Woodhaven Posted June 28, 2012 Share #42 Posted June 28, 2012 If these articulated buses had problems on the north shore, leave it on the south shore. I would send artics to RC Depot, since it has the n4,n15,n31/32, bus routes, which are in need of some Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
VWM Posted June 28, 2012 Share #43 Posted June 28, 2012 this thread is a bit redundant. Yes. LI should consider artics, wait a minute, NEEDS artics.. EVERYONE KNOWS THAT. Enough fighting about it... Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
User Posted June 28, 2012 Share #44 Posted June 28, 2012 If these articulated buses had problems on the north shore, leave it on the south shore. I would send artics to RC Depot, since it has the n4,n15,n31/32, bus routes, which are in need of some There's no problem with sending them to MF. Just from MF, they should go right to Hempstead and do the N6, or the N40/41. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
NY1635 Posted June 28, 2012 Share #45 Posted June 28, 2012 There's no problem with sending them to MF. Just from MF, they should go right to Hempstead and do the N6, or the N40/41. The articulated buses can't fit into the bays. They might block the buses entering and exiting the Hempstead Terminal. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
User Posted June 28, 2012 Share #46 Posted June 28, 2012 The articulated buses can't fit into the bays. They might block the buses entering and exiting the Hempstead Terminal. I've suggested in numerous posts that the artics not use the bays. They would use those side parking spots inside Hempstead Terminal. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
NY1635 Posted June 28, 2012 Share #47 Posted June 28, 2012 I've suggested in numerous posts that the artics not use the bays. They would use those side parking spots inside Hempstead Terminal. 1. But the bays were made for buses stopping at the Terminal. Each route has a designated bay, some routes even share a bay like the N16/N17 to Rockville Centre, or the N54/N55 to Sunrise Mall. 2. The last thing NICE passengers need right now is another reason to run to catch the bus. They're already running from one bay to bay, trying to catch the N16, N6, or N35 before the driver closes the door and pulls out of the bay. Some even go as far as to knock on the doors, hoping the bus driver is nice enough to let them in. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
checkmatechamp13 Posted June 28, 2012 Share #48 Posted June 28, 2012 Some even go as far as to knock on the doors, hoping the bus driver is nice enough to let them in. If the bus is pulling out and the next one is 30 minutes away, I don't think it's going too far to knock on the door. It's not like you're throwing yourself in front of the bus or anything. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Amtrak7 Posted June 29, 2012 Share #49 Posted June 29, 2012 If the bus is pulling out and the next one is 30 minutes away, I don't think it's going too far to knock on the door. It's not like you're throwing yourself in front of the bus or anything. I've done it, running from the LIRR to the N40...knocking on the door is no problem so long as the bus is stopped. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
NY1635 Posted June 29, 2012 Share #50 Posted June 29, 2012 If the bus is pulling out and the next one is 30 minutes away, I don't think it's going too far to knock on the door. It's not like you're throwing yourself in front of the bus or anything. Most of the time, the bus driver ignores the passenger banging on the door and pulls out of the bay. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
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