Via Garibaldi 8 Posted January 16, 2014 Share #1 Posted January 16, 2014 Something that has irked me is why does Middle Village receive such poor subway service? Weekend travel is a mess. It's amazing to me that almost 8 years later, the train shuttle service still runs on the weekend. I visited Middle Village to watch the World Cup back in 2006 and was glad I didn't have to deal with that crazy commute transferring and such. With many areas in Brooklyn growing in popularity (i.e. Bushwick) along the when will the start running normal service from Middle Village into Manhattan? Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
S78 via Hylan Posted January 16, 2014 Share #2 Posted January 16, 2014 Well this summer, Weekend service is supposed to be extendned to Essex Street in Manhattan. It's not a lot, but it's still something. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Via Garibaldi 8 Posted January 16, 2014 Author Share #3 Posted January 16, 2014 Well this summer, Weekend service is supposed to be extendned to Essex Street in Manhattan. It's not a lot, but it's still something. It's about time... Long overdue... Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Lance Posted January 16, 2014 Share #4 Posted January 16, 2014 Prior to the service cuts of 2010, the MTA was looking into expanded M service to Chambers St on the weekends, along with several other service improvements. The lack of available funds as of late put a stop to that obviously. As mentioned up-thread, weekend service to Essex St is set to begin this summer. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
BM5 via Woodhaven Posted January 16, 2014 Share #5 Posted January 16, 2014 Something that has irked me is why does Middle Village receive such poor subway service? Weekend travel is a mess. It's amazing to me that almost 8 years later, the train shuttle service still runs on the weekend. I visited Middle Village to watch the World Cup back in 2006 and was glad I didn't have to deal with that crazy commute transferring and such. With many areas in Brooklyn growing in popularity (i.e. Bushwick) along the when will the start running normal service from Middle Village into Manhattan? This is why they should add the QM24 at the very least on Saturdays. The MTA thinks the sad excuse of a bus (called the Q38) to the , or to the to the would cut it. The Q38 alone is one of a few reasons I hike to the Q67 on the weekends, very fast, and reliable (although the downside is the bus runs every hour). Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
RollOver Posted January 16, 2014 Share #6 Posted January 16, 2014 It's about time... Long overdue... The weekend is still going to be 240 feet long though. It will only be 480 feet long when it extends into Midtown. But I'm sure you'll still like this new improvement for the riders in Middle Village and the BMT Myrtle Avenue line. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Via Garibaldi 8 Posted January 16, 2014 Author Share #7 Posted January 16, 2014 The weekend is still going to be 240 feet long though. It will only be 480 feet long when it extends into Midtown. But I'm sure you'll still like this new improvement for the riders in Middle Village and the BMT Myrtle Avenue line. Well my point is with the running the ride into Midtown would be a breeze compared to the gazillion transfers one currently has to make. Probably one of the reasons why Middle Village is so cheap to live... Crap transportation. lol Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Vistausss Posted January 16, 2014 Share #8 Posted January 16, 2014 - Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Jsunflyguy Posted January 17, 2014 Share #9 Posted January 17, 2014 What advantage does an to Essex have over a waiting connection with the the ? Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
m7zanr160s Posted January 17, 2014 Share #10 Posted January 17, 2014 What advantage does an to Essex have over a waiting connection with the the ? A little bit of time, and one less transfer. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
RollOver Posted January 17, 2014 Share #11 Posted January 17, 2014 What advantage does an to Essex have over a waiting connection with the the ? Hey, it allows Saturday/Sunday riders from the BMT Myrtle Avenue line to have a one-seat ride for a transfer to the rather than a three-seat ride, no? Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Wallyhorse Posted January 17, 2014 Share #12 Posted January 17, 2014 A little bit of time, and one less transfer. Still think it would be better to have the go to West 4th late nights and weekend (with the at those times running local with the in Manhattan) so the gets to two key transfer points: Broadway-Lafayette for the and and West 4th for the . Yes, you would have to deal with track switches ( and would switch tracks after Broadway-Lafayette northbound the the would have to go back to the express track after 34th) while the uses the tracks north of West 4th to switch to the downtown side to go back to Brooklyn), however, I do think it would be worth it as the two additional stops would allow riders to transfer to the other lines at West 4th and Broadway-Lafayette. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Eric B Posted January 17, 2014 Share #13 Posted January 17, 2014 All that extra switching would be too much trouble for what it's worth. 57th St. 6 track works better, and when SAS opens, then that would be a better option. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Wallyhorse Posted January 17, 2014 Share #14 Posted January 17, 2014 It's a balancing act. West 4th to me is the best compromise because it keeps the relatively short late nights and weekends while getting the to two big transfer spots. This also gives riders on 6th Avenue at 14th and 23rd Street double the service at those hours since the would also be stopping there. In reality, what would be better, and especially with the being shut down on 22 weekends in 2014 would be to have the become a 19/7 line to 71st-Continental to help supplement the on those weekends (especially those where the will be terminating at 74th-Roosevelt). Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
AndrewJC Posted January 17, 2014 Share #15 Posted January 17, 2014 Still think it would be better to have the go to West 4th late nights and weekend (with the at those times running local with the in Manhattan) so the gets to two key transfer points: Broadway-Lafayette for the and and West 4th for the . Yes, you would have to deal with track switches ( and would switch tracks after Broadway-Lafayette northbound the the would have to go back to the express track after 34th) while the uses the tracks north of West 4th to switch to the downtown side to go back to Brooklyn), however, I do think it would be worth it as the two additional stops would allow riders to transfer to the other lines at West 4th and Broadway-Lafayette. A lot of weekend work will be going on in the Cranberry tube to make post-Sandy repairs. Any weekend that the A and C are rerouted via Rutgers, there won't be room for the M, and the M will have to be cut back to Essex. The interlocking at West 4th is up for replacement soon, in preparation for CBTC. Any weekend that that work is in progress and a track is out, there won't be room for the M, and the M will have to be cut back to Essex. Most weekends, the M would have to be cut back to Essex. There's no point in paying to operate a service that rarely operates. And even when there are no GO's, you'd be seriously delaying D's and F's. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Wallyhorse Posted January 17, 2014 Share #16 Posted January 17, 2014 Good points on the and . If they are being rerouted via Rutgers, then there is no need for the to go to West 4th since the 8th Avenue lines would be stopping at Essex-Delancey anyway. That said, with the being shut down for 22 weekends in 2014, the may need to look at having the be a 19/7 line to 71-Continental on those grounds. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
AndrewJC Posted January 17, 2014 Share #17 Posted January 17, 2014 Good points on the and . If they are being rerouted via Rutgers, then there is no need for the to go to West 4th since the 8th Avenue lines would be stopping at Essex-Delancey anyway. That said, with the being shut down for 22 weekends in 2014, the may need to look at having the be a 19/7 line to 71-Continental on those grounds. I don't think you understand how picks work. If the M is scheduled to run to West 4th, there have to be enough crews assigned to the line to operate trains to West 4th. When those trains aren't running, those crews are still being paid. It's a serious waste of money to pay for a service that almost never actually runs. (And it's unlikely that the A and C would be rerouted via Rutgers in both directions at the same time for an entire weekend.) If there is insufficient capacity on the existing E, F, and R for passengers diverted from the 7, then E, F, or R service can be increased for a lot less money than extending the M, and without conflicting with GO's on the IND in Manhattan. And when there are no GO's on the 7, expect to see GO's on the QBL itself, first for the interlocking work and then for CBTC. Again, that knocks out the M, and we end up paying for a service that doesn't run. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Jsunflyguy Posted January 17, 2014 Share #18 Posted January 17, 2014 Hey, it allows Saturday/Sunday riders from the BMT Myrtle Avenue line to have a one-seat ride for a transfer to the rather than a three-seat ride, no? Going from a 3 seat to a 2 seat isn't a big improvement especially if dispatch actually holds the (or the is sent onto J4 first). Maybe some people miss out on seats, that's hardly worth the money. In this case if the TA can't get the M onto 6th ave I don't see why they should bother. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Wallyhorse Posted January 17, 2014 Share #19 Posted January 17, 2014 I don't think you understand how picks work. If the M is scheduled to run to West 4th, there have to be enough crews assigned to the line to operate trains to West 4th. When those trains aren't running, those crews are still being paid. It's a serious waste of money to pay for a service that almost never actually runs. (And it's unlikely that the A and C would be rerouted via Rutgers in both directions at the same time for an entire weekend.) If there is insufficient capacity on the existing E, F, and R for passengers diverted from the 7, then E, F, or R service can be increased for a lot less money than extending the M, and without conflicting with GO's on the IND in Manhattan. And when there are no GO's on the 7, expect to see GO's on the QBL itself, first for the interlocking work and then for CBTC. Again, that knocks out the M, and we end up paying for a service that doesn't run. Then what could be done on those weekends the the repair work on Cranberry is done if you have the going to West 4th (or further uptown, but not to Brooklyn) is this: The runs to High Street ONLY (terminating on whichever track the is NOT using to run in the Cranberry Tunnel). The goes to the 8th Avenue line after Broadway-Lafayette (obviously stopping on the upper level of West 4th) and is extended to 168th to replace the along 8th Avenue (north of West 4th) and CPW. Since the and are both 480' trains outside of summer, you could conceivably use equipment from the to supplement the if necessary since the would only be running between Euclid Avenue and High Streets on such weekends. That solves that problem. One other compromise could be that work on Cranberry CAN'T be done if the work is going on. This would be done so the can in this scenario be extended almost every weekend, to 71st-Continental if the work is going on OR to 168th if the Cranberry work is going on with the truncated to High Street on weekends Cranberry work is happening. It would be confusing at first, but people I think would get used to it if they know where the goes on weekends depends on what other work is going on (making the a "swing" line on weekends). Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Vistausss Posted January 17, 2014 Share #20 Posted January 17, 2014 Most weekends, the M would have to be cut back to Essex. There's no point in paying to operate a service that rarely operates. Exactly. We don't want the fiasco to 71st all over again... Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
RollOver Posted January 17, 2014 Share #21 Posted January 17, 2014 Exactly. We don't want the fiasco to 71st all over again... What I love about AndrewJC is that he is extremely credible and logical. It's amazing that he can easily refute a proposal via official sources from the and giving out good reasons as to why a said proposal won't help, not only the passengers, but also the transit agencies themselves. For example, some people would say that the should go to/from Lefferts, but then they would have to send all 's to/from the Rockaways. And yet, aside from during the summer and I think rush hours (?), the Rock Park has extremely lower ridership to warrant a full-length train. As far as Ozone Park residents go, they might stay on the local (or transfer for the express if there's a connection) until their CBD destinations. But wouldn't this cause uneven loads and possible overcrowding (if there's no connection with an express at BJ or Utica and also with the additional riders from Shepherd, Van Siclen, Liberty, Rockaway, Ralph, Kingston-Throop, Franklin, Clinton-Washington and Lafayette)? My basic point is that, there are other factors that should be taken instead of just proposing something. People also say that more service should be added on whatever line they want, but they never mention anything about some riders passing up a train due to severe overcrowding. As I've said many times before, this isn't about status quo, its about not wasting money. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
RTOMan Posted January 17, 2014 Share #22 Posted January 17, 2014 In the cold winter months folks are going to love that Mikey going to Essex. As for the Cranberry Street work lets get past Montague street first folks before we speculate on what goes where.. Sent from my iPad using Tapatalk Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Fresh Pond Posted January 17, 2014 Share #23 Posted January 17, 2014 Then what could be done on those weekends the the repair work on Cranberry is done if you have the going to West 4th (or further uptown, but not to Brooklyn) is this: The runs to High Street ONLY (terminating on whichever track the is NOT using to run in the Cranberry Tunnel). The goes to the 8th Avenue line after Broadway-Lafayette (obviously stopping on the upper level of West 4th) and is extended to 168th to replace the along 8th Avenue (north of West 4th) and CPW. Since the and are both 480' trains outside of summer, you could conceivably use equipment from the to supplement the if necessary since the would only be running between Euclid Avenue and High Streets on such weekends. That solves that problem. One other compromise could be that work on Cranberry CAN'T be done if the work is going on. This would be done so the can in this scenario be extended almost every weekend, to 71st-Continental if the work is going on OR to 168th if the Cranberry work is going on with the truncated to High Street on weekends Cranberry work is happening. It would be confusing at first, but people I think would get used to it if they know where the goes on weekends depends on what other work is going on (making the a "swing" line on weekends). No... Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
FRACertifyMotormen Posted January 17, 2014 Share #24 Posted January 17, 2014 What I love about AndrewJC is that he is extremely credible and logical. It's amazing that he can easily refute a proposal via official sources from the and giving out good reasons as to why a said proposal won't help, not only the passengers, but also the transit agencies themselves. For example, some people would say that the should go to/from Lefferts, but then they would have to send all 's to/from the Rockaways. And yet, aside from during the summer and I think rush hours (?), the Rock Park has extremely lower ridership to warrant a full-length train. As far as Ozone Park residents go, they might stay on the local (or transfer for the express if there's a connection) until their CBD destinations. But wouldn't this cause uneven loads and possible overcrowding (if there's no connection with an express at BJ or Utica and also with the additional riders from Shepherd, Van Siclen, Liberty, Rockaway, Ralph, Kingston-Throop, Franklin, Clinton-Washington and Lafayette)? My basic point is that, there are other factors that should be taken instead of just proposing something. People also say that more service should be added on whatever line they want, but they never mention anything about some riders passing up a train due to severe overcrowding. As I've said many times before, this isn't about status quo, its about not wasting money. Service to Richmond Hill and the Rockaways is poor at best under the current setup. The opening of Resorts World by Aqueduct station has only made matters worse. In addition, Rockaway Park riders want full length A service, and are becoming very vocal about it. If the C were extended to Lefferts Blvd., Richmond Hill riders would get their service effectively doubled, as would riders heading to and from the casino and the airport. Rockaway Park riders would get full length A train service. It's a win win situation. And Lefferts Blvd. is NOT OZONE PARK!!! IT IS RICHMOND HILL!!! Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
FRACertifyMotormen Posted January 17, 2014 Share #25 Posted January 17, 2014 As far as weekend M service, it should run full length to Forest Hills. The R cannot handle the local service alone on Queens Blvd. And weekend daytime M service must be full length since you cannot run any service that crosses the East River as an OPTO train. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
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