mtattrain Posted July 14, 2013 Share #1701 Posted July 14, 2013 I'm hearing that this swap is going to last longer than most of you assume it will.... So that post on Subchat WAS true... looks like I get more opportunities when I come lol. 0 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
R62AR33 Posted July 15, 2013 Share #1702 Posted July 15, 2013 I'm hearing that this swap is going to last longer than most of you assume it will.... I heard that the swap will likely need to end next year when the R160s sms is done , so dont be surprised if after september the car assingments stay how they are now for the and 0 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
R32sdabest Posted July 15, 2013 Share #1703 Posted July 15, 2013 I heard that the swap will likely need to end next year when the R160s sms is done , so dont be surprised if after september the car assingments stay how they are now for the and Yay. I can get some winter shots and night shots 0 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
R404377 Posted July 15, 2013 Share #1704 Posted July 15, 2013 I'm seeing things about those "stored" R32s and 42's going out to scrap in NJ. It makes no sense to me why to scrap these cars that are on property and nearly/fully intact and only need a minor amount of work to get them back and running. It would make an improvement to the situation that's going on now and could "swap scrap" for some cars that are in worse condition (do you see the rust on them 42's??) The "pairs" of R42's I saw pics of going out to scrap were 4704-5, 4795-6??, and 4674-5. Former Jamacia cars pulled from service either on the R or the now defunct V in late 2009. These cars have quite minor to NO rot visible on their roofs and lower body. I say they should "swap scrap" them for cars with actual rot or ones that are running quite poorly or they could run them with them, or even just donate some parts to the already revenue active cars and then send them off to scrap!!!! But no, as usual, the MTA decides to waste everything they can. The R32's and 42's that were sent to NJ for scrap a week-two ago were all fully intact (despite missing trucks of course) and the only cars that had a "boo-boo" were 3676-77 which were maybe 5% stripped (a window or two and their led signs). It really gets to me how they could easily just put some minor work into them, help out this situation that's going on with the car shortages, or at least just salvage usable parts that would really be put to use!!!! There's still time though. At least 10-12 inactive r42's are still sitting around (if I remember correctly a few pairs at 207th, maybe one or two at CI and pitkin). Theres also one inactive pair of 32's at CI (3720-1) that look like they haven't had anything removed. I think they were oos since early 09 i remember seeing em with the red sticker at Jamacia. And for crying out loud, if they don't re activate them, save yourselves, the riders, your workers, and anyone else affiliated the hassle by stripping them of their useful parts and giving them to the cars who need. In the end everyone will be (6% ) happier, service will minorly improve but right now the TA needs anything they can and they just seem to be acting as if they get nailed in the head daily with anticlimbers and trucks and throw out anything that's a use to them as if its a paper bag... If they wanted to throw out a paper bag maybe they should clean the stations and tracks more often. 0 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
LTA1992 Posted July 15, 2013 Share #1705 Posted July 15, 2013 The outside of the car can look perfect, what matters is whats on the inside. 7 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
R404377 Posted July 15, 2013 Share #1706 Posted July 15, 2013 There shouldn't have been much wrong with them if they were pulled from service and stored somewhere. They were originally meant for scrap but knowing how the MTA scraps everything, it was probably a large chance it was fine. 0 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
DJ MC Posted July 15, 2013 Share #1707 Posted July 15, 2013 There shouldn't have been much wrong with them if they were pulled from service and stored somewhere. They were originally meant for scrap but knowing how the MTA scraps everything, it was probably a large chance it was fine. Some of those cars were stored since 2009 and they were exposed to the elements. A lot could of happened to them even in a few years. 0 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
R62AR33 Posted July 16, 2013 Share #1708 Posted July 16, 2013 (edited) I'm seeing things about those "stored" R32s and 42's going out to scrap in NJ. It makes no sense to me why to scrap these cars that are on property and nearly/fully intact and only need a minor amount of work to get them back and running. It would make an improvement to the situation that's going on now and could "swap scrap" for some cars that are in worse condition (do you see the rust on them 42's??) The "pairs" of R42's I saw pics of going out to scrap were 4704-5, 4795-6??, and 4674-5. Former Jamacia cars pulled from service either on the R or the now defunct V in late 2009. These cars have quite minor to NO rot visible on their roofs and lower body. I say they should "swap scrap" them for cars with actual rot or ones that are running quite poorly or they could run them with them, or even just donate some parts to the already revenue active cars and then send them off to scrap!!!! But no, as usual, the MTA decides to waste everything they can. The R32's and 42's that were sent to NJ for scrap a week-two ago were all fully intact (despite missing trucks of course) and the only cars that had a "boo-boo" were 3676-77 which were maybe 5% stripped (a window or two and their led signs). It really gets to me how they could easily just put some minor work into them, help out this situation that's going on with the car shortages, or at least just salvage usable parts that would really be put to use!!!! There's still time though. At least 10-12 inactive r42's are still sitting around (if I remember correctly a few pairs at 207th, maybe one or two at CI and pitkin). Theres also one inactive pair of 32's at CI (3720-1) that look like they haven't had anything removed. I think they were oos since early 09 i remember seeing em with the red sticker at Jamacia. And for crying out loud, if they don't re activate them, save yourselves, the riders, your workers, and anyone else affiliated the hassle by stripping them of their useful parts and giving them to the cars who need. In the end everyone will be (6% ) happier, service will minorly improve but right now the TA needs anything they can and they just seem to be acting as if they get nailed in the head daily with anticlimbers and trucks and throw out anything that's a use to them as if its a paper bag... If they wanted to throw out a paper bag maybe they should clean the stations and tracks more often. Their steel inside might have gone bad and deterioated remember they have been exposed to the outside since 2009 and may have been outside during both hurricanes irene and sandy so who knows the damage that those cars have right now. That is why when they were retiring the other R32s,R38s,R40/M and R42s some of the R40 Modifieds should have been kept if needed but they got scraped first and look what happened , they had a car shortage and still have one , that is why the R32 that was in the museum had to get reactived and got sent back to the Edited July 16, 2013 by R62AR33 0 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
R10 2952 Posted July 16, 2013 Share #1709 Posted July 16, 2013 Still though, he has a point: those mothballed cars shouldn't be scrapped so indiscriminately. And the is known for making poor decisions, especially when it comes to prematurely scrapping cars. If the service cuts hadn't happened, we'd be experiencing a major car shortage right now. We're lucky enough that the current shortage is not messing things up, so why exacerbate the problem by scrapping available equipment? If they were able to bring back the two R-46s that were flooded at 207th Street station during Sandy, then surely they can bring back a handful of R-42s that have been sitting idle. What do you think the whole point of mothballing is? 3 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
RollOver Posted July 16, 2013 Share #1710 Posted July 16, 2013 (edited) I totally agree with both him and R10. Edited July 16, 2013 by RollOverMyHead 0 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
R404377 Posted July 16, 2013 Share #1711 Posted July 16, 2013 (edited) I personally don't think they were exposed to too much because remembering, for most of the time they were stored, they were either in the pitkin yard or in 207th. Not too much should have happened. But like I said. There's still more thats on property. Lets hope those head wounds they have heal and they actually see what they're doing. Their steel inside might have gone bad and deterioated remember they have been exposed to the outside since 2009 and may have been outside during both hurricanes irene and sandy so who knows the damage that those cars have right now. That is why when they were retiring the other R32s,R38s,R40/M and R42s some of the R40 Modifieds should have been kept if needed but they got scraped first and look what happened , they had a car shortage and still have one , that is why the R32 that was in the museum had to get reactived and got sent back to the So 3352-3 are back in service?? Phase II cars had major brake problems and were retired in Fall 08. Still though, he has a point: those mothballed cars shouldn't be scrapped so indiscriminately. And the is known for making poor decisions, especially when it comes to prematurely scrapping cars. If the service cuts hadn't happened, we'd be experiencing a major car shortage right now. We're lucky enough that the current shortage is not messing things up, so why exacerbate the problem by scrapping available equipment? If they were able to bring back the two R-46s that were flooded at 207th Street station during Sandy, then surely they can bring back a handful of R-42s that have been sitting idle. What do you think the whole point of mothballing is? I honestly agree 100%. Edited July 16, 2013 by R404377 0 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
R62AR33 Posted July 16, 2013 Share #1712 Posted July 16, 2013 (edited) I personally don't think they were exposed to too much because remembering, for most of the time they were stored, they were either in the pitkin yard or in 207th. Not too much should have happened. But like I said. There's still more thats on property. Lets hope those head wounds they have heal and they actually see what they're doing. So 3352-3 are back in service?? Phase II cars had major brake problems and were retired in Fall 08. I honestly agree 100%. Yep their on the i think that got repaired before they re entered service. Edited July 16, 2013 by R62AR33 0 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
R32 3838 Posted July 16, 2013 Share #1713 Posted July 16, 2013 3352/3 are not back in service, they belong to the museum 1 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
R32sdabest Posted July 16, 2013 Share #1714 Posted July 16, 2013 3352/3 are not back in service, they belong to the museum On the TOMC, someone said that 3352-53 were in service again. 0 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
R32 3838 Posted July 16, 2013 Share #1715 Posted July 16, 2013 trust me its not, if that were the case everyone would have fount out, makes no sense to bring back a pair of phase IIs, parts are very different from the phase Is 0 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Fan Railer Posted July 16, 2013 Share #1716 Posted July 16, 2013 On the TOMC, someone said that 3352-53 were in service again. People talk about what they don't know. So don't take everything you hear as truth. I once had a guy who used to work for Kawasaki claim that the R188 prototypes were up in Concourse, at least a year BEFORE the first R188 conversions were even completed. Naturally, he was referring to the R110As which were up in that area temporarily. 0 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
mtattrain Posted July 16, 2013 Share #1717 Posted July 16, 2013 (edited) Not saying I'm totally right, but let me clarify some stuff: 1.) 3352-3353 are NOT in service... Phase-2 R32s have since been retired and disposed of, with the exception of 3350-3353, which are preserved and on-property. 2.) The mothballed R32s were actually stripped on the outside since 2011-2012, so scrapping those units makes sense. As for R32s 3720-3721, I have no knowledge on them except that they are OOS at Coney, so a reactivation of those 2 cars is possible. The mothballed R42s were also marked "NOT OK FOR SERVICE" according to a reliable source, just in case those cars were actually crumbling down too. I also do agree that the mothballed units have encountered serious floods from Irene and Sandy, so that could be a factor too. So saving the OOS R32s would have been impossible anyway, although those R42s could have been saved (10 mothballed R42s remain as of now, so those COULD be very slight possibilities). Edited July 16, 2013 by mtattrain 0 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Vistausss Posted July 16, 2013 Share #1718 Posted July 16, 2013 According to the NYC Transit Museum, the R32s 3352-3353 are currently in the museum. 1 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
R404377 Posted July 16, 2013 Share #1719 Posted July 16, 2013 (edited) Not saying I'm totally right, but let me clarify some stuff: 1.) 3352-3353 are NOT in service... Phase-2 R32s have since been retired and disposed of, with the exception of 3350-3353, which are preserved and on-property. 2.) The mothballed R32s were actually stripped on the outside since 2011-2012, so scrapping those units makes sense. As for R32s 3720-3721, I have no knowledge on them except that they are OOS at Coney, so a reactivation of those 2 cars is possible. The mothballed R42s were also marked "NOT OK FOR SERVICE" according to a reliable source, just in case those cars were actually crumbling down too. I also do agree that the mothballed units have encountered serious floods from Irene and Sandy, so that could be a factor too. So saving the OOS R32s would have been impossible anyway, although those R42s could have been saved (10 mothballed R42s remain as of now, so those COULD be very slight possibilities). 1. I agree that the reason why they were scrapped was because they had some kind of flooding from Irene and Sandy as many of you had stated earlier (explains why some r33wf were thrown in, they wouldn't rid their work trains for no reason?) 2. They should have at least salvaged something, anything at this point for the 42's is needed. Not everything is neccesarily flooded (I think they just throw a label on it once they see a few things and don't go to the extent of actually looking into it). 3.(Almost) EVERY car (I believe early 2009-) that was to be scrapped recieved the sticker THIS CAR PENDING SCRAP- NOT OK FOR SERVICE. Even if they just came from a nice run on whatever line packed with passengers. The TA wants them out (retirement time). But being flooded only adds the (actual) meaning to it. I just think it was something to differ the cars meant to be used in service and the ones that would be scrapped in the near-future. 5. Maybe the MTA is testing some of its equipment that they forgot to test after the storm with have been dealing with the major issues the storm caused and its time to deal with the "minor" issues. It seems theyre scrapping the mechanically dead (seems to me what's going on R40 4392-3 scrapped along with this pile: mechanically dead), maybe the other 10 r42's might be fine as you stated, but we shall see within the coming weeks. Someone stated earlier if they could revive the 2 r46's they could revive these. I agree on it in ways (the TA doesn't want the 42's anymore, etc) and I disagree in other ways (damage factor- these 42's have been sitting since late 09 and went through two storms and these 46's just happened to be "left outside during a storm".) Edited July 16, 2013 by R404377 0 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Eric B Posted July 16, 2013 Share #1720 Posted July 16, 2013 You would have thought they would have restored all the extra 32's laying around, to replace the handful of 42's, so it would be one less class to maintain. That was likely the plan with the earlier talk of sending the 32's to the , but it kept getting pushed back. 2 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
R32 3838 Posted July 16, 2013 Share #1721 Posted July 16, 2013 the reason why those R32s were scrapped was because most of them were partially stripped in 2009 (they didn't get reefed) and they stripped them more between 2010-2012, so it made sense, the R42s on the other hand should have stayed, they stripped one pair out of the 14, they were supposed to go to CI in early 2010 to replace that R32 set (to get transferred to 207th) but they scrapped that plan. 1 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
mtattrain Posted July 16, 2013 Share #1722 Posted July 16, 2013 (edited) Wow, so we cud have been seeing a R42 or then... interesting plan they had. Anyone know what happened to other R33WFs, R40s 4162-4163 (Concourse school cars), R40As 4392-4393 (Rockaway Pk. school cars), and R40As 4442-4443 (Concourse school cars), since non-R44 equipment is now being scrapped. Edited July 16, 2013 by mtattrain 0 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
R32 3838 Posted July 16, 2013 Share #1723 Posted July 16, 2013 the R40 slants from rock pk are gone 0 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
R404377 Posted July 16, 2013 Share #1724 Posted July 16, 2013 (edited) the reason why those R32s were scrapped was because most of them were partially stripped in 2009 (they didn't get reefed) and they stripped them more between 2010-2012, so it made sense, the R42s on the other hand should have stayed, they stripped one pair out of the 14, they were supposed to go to CI in early 2010 to replace that R32 set (to get transferred to 207th) but they scrapped that plan.So no chance of any remaining stored R-42s coming back? If there isn't what a waste and a shame. Are there ten left or are they done? On the other hand, mtattrain sparked something to me, any remaining r44's on property? Any chance of any action with them? According to the roster thingy on nycsubway.org a few hand fills of them are still left. Edited July 16, 2013 by R404377 0 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
rr4567 Posted July 16, 2013 Share #1725 Posted July 16, 2013 Why are they taping over the vents on top of the 32s on the J? 0 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
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